I like President Obama and though he has a year and one half left I am beginning to miss him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[hrmjustin]

1. I love the president and always will.

I am not a fan of the TTP but I still love him.

[still_one]

2. I agree

[jwirr]

3. One can like or even love someone and still not approve of everything he does. I am very

disappointed in his support of the TPP but I do not hate him. I find it very hard to hate anyone so this is the last man I would hate.

[onehandle]

4. But he's not 100% hippie socialist beatnik.

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The purity test is all that counts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He is who he is... i have never seen someone so comfortable with who he is.

eom

[Bonobo]

7. Is that you, Archie Bunker? nt

[shenmue]

31. Yep

[frylock]

40. he's not even .001% hippie socialist beatnik..

but kudos to you for the hippie punch, nonetheless.

[freshwest]

69. A little young for that. He did inhale though!

[Bonobo]

5. Seems like a pretty decent guy. nt

[BlueJazz]

8. I feel like I'm living with the most Bi-Polar person I've ever met.

[rhett o rick]

9. He does have a nice smile. But he kills innocent people including women and children

with drones. This is a war crime. I guess you are willing to overlook a war crime or two among friends. If Bush was doing it would you be ok with that? Is it a case of situational ethics?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. If you believe he's a war criminal I can get you the address of the Hague. Would you like me to?/nt

[rhett o rick]

19. If you don't agree with me, then provide a decent argument. Is that really so hard for you

guys?

His defense of the war criminals Bush, Cheney, etc. is considered in itself a war crime. I am not sure about his defense of the torturers. It might also be classified as a war crime. Killing men, women and children via drones in countries that we haven't declare war upon is a war crime. Do you want to defend any of these accusations? I doubt it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. War criminals belong in the dock at the Hague

I gave you the address...

[rhett o rick]

23. So you agree with me? nm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. No, I do not believe that Barack Obama is a war criminal and belongs in the dock at the Hague.

However perhaps you should ask the candidate of your choice if he is going to recommend prosecution and have him extradited.

[rhett o rick]

52. So give me your justification for killing people including innocent children with drones. nm

[stevenleser]

71. No, the requirement is for you to provide the international law that was broken.

You are making the accusation that it is a war crime. You are required to justify that.

[MannyGoldstein]

83. Well...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/amnesty-us-officials-war-crimes-drones

[rhett o rick]

101. Thanks for the link Manny. And Amnesty International isn't the only one that believes drone

killing by the USofA constitutes war crimes. I believe the UN is investigating.

[stevenleser]

32. None of those things you mentioned are war crimes. You want them to be, but they aren't.

Lets start with the drone strikes.

There are multiple UN Resolutions against Al Qaeda defining them as terrorists and international criminals and requiring states to take a number of actions against them, freezing their assets, etc.

http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/

The UN and international justice agencies are thus hardly going to look at a state taking military action against them, particularly the US who has been on the receiving end of multiple attacks by them, as a war crime.

Anyone suspected of aiding or abetting them in any way is breaking international law and is thus also a criminal.

What crime do you think the US has committed? An unprovoked war of aggression? As the UN resolutions and prior attacks by Al Qaeda conclusively indicate, its not unprovoked. Do you think the collateral injuries or deaths constitute a war crime? They don't. During shock and awe in 2003, multiple people wrote to various UN governing bodies suggesting that the collateral damage and injuries and deaths from those attacks constituted war crimes. The UN wrote back that for an attack to constitute a war crime on those factors, the injuries and deaths would have to be massively out of proportion to the potential military value of the targets.

So that doesnt work for you either.

You can't invent crimes that fit things you don't like. You have no basis for your accusations.

[sheshe2]

61. Thank you Steven. nt

[Cha]

64. Surprise Surprise.. those going off the deep end don't know what they're talking about.

Mahalo Steven

[treestar]

78. It's a wonder how people can construct things in their minds

and then baldly state them as fact. I mean if you work yourself into a state of mind where Obama is a "war criminal" it must be hard to get through each day.

[stevenleser]

89. Exactly. See my #88 below. This is one of those things that a certain Progressive segment has

repeated so many times to each other that they came to believe it must be true, never realizing that no one has provided the requisite backup.

[Rex]

119. True, we had legitimate reasons to go into Afghanistan. None for Iraq.

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when Saddam was in power. I think people get confused over the many theatres of war. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked war of aggression, the war in Afghanistan was a retaliation against the Taliban.

It is disheartening to see people declare Obama has committed war crimes. No, none at all. If anything he has kept us out of a few wars that could have been very costly.

People won't see that though, they will see 'drone strikes' and think 'war crimes'.

[MannyGoldstein]

84. I suspect that Amnesty International has the address

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/amnesty-us-officials-war-crimes-drones

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. It might expedite the process if you made the complaint and copied it here for maximum attention

I always like to be helpful. It's my raison d'etre.

[sheshe2]

12. Hey Rhett.

You could have passed this post by. One nice one about the President and you had to stink it up.

There are at least 50 a day Obama sucks posts in GD. If you can't find them just go to the top of the page. We, that support this President understand how you feel. As someone here said he is a POS. We know that you agree.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I went to the Hague's web page and have their physical address if he wants it./nt

[sheshe2]

14. Post it to him, DSB. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Since you asked. That is where war criminals like Slobodan Milošević are tried.

Address:
International Court of Justice
Peace Palace
2517 KJ The Hague
The Netherlands


Telephone [phone]
Telefax [phone]
Telex 32323
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

[sheshe2]

16. Perfect.

[rhett o rick]

22. Sorry but this was posted in GD. He has a nice smile, a nice family and nice dogs.

I think his drone killing policies are war crimes. If you don't, I would like to hear your arguments.

[stevenleser]

34. See my #32 above. What war crimes? List the specific International statutes he broke or

specific crimes, not in your words, in the words of International bodies, that you think he is guilty of.

[greatauntoftriplets]

87. LOL. As expected, there's no response.

Well done, Steven!

[stevenleser]

88. A certain segment of the progressive media and certain folks have repeated that accusation so many

times among themselves that they accept it as fact and don't realize that no one has ever provided any backup for the accusations.

It's simple, right? If you think someone is guilty of a crime, name the statute that covers it. If that is too difficult, look up previous war crimes trials and see what the accusations are and see if any of those accusations fit.

There has never been anything along those lines provided to back up any of the war crimes accusations against President Obama and there won't be any because nothing fits.

[sheshe2]

62. I know where it was posted.

I also know you had to come here and be ugly.

[Sheepshank]

97. Ask Bernie if he plans to prosecute any Bush, Cheney or Obama if he is elected.

could you please let us know the reponse?

[rhett o rick]

100. Do you support the President's drone killing program? Where we kill 49 innocent people for every

one suspect we kill. Most innocents are killed by our double strike tactic.

[Sheepshank]

102. that isn't an answer...its a deflection with another question.

You get back to me with Bernie's response first.

[rhett o rick]

110. So I assume that you support drone killing. Can you provide any justification at all? nm

[Sheepshank]

111. Clearly, you forgot to find out if Bernie intends to prosecute for war crimes if elected?

your deflections are not on point. What has Bernie said on this issue?

[rhett o rick]

112. I was discussing drone kills. You refuse to commit to whether you support Obama's position.

Sen Sander's views have nothing to do with this discussion.

I really don't expect you to commit. Pres Obama supporters in the most part are afraid to commit on controversial issues like the TPP, drone killing, torture, NSA spying, fracking, etc.

[Sheepshank]

114. ahh the committment/purity test? Typical tactic for deflecting

What did you find out from Bernie?

matters little what I think since I'm not in any position to make those decisions.

On Obama, you said:

His defense of the war criminals Bush, Cheney, etc. is considered in itself a war crime. I am not sure about his defense of the torturers. It might also be classified as a war crime.

So where does Bernie stand on this issue? Or ar these standards only applicable to use as a sledghammer against those not voting for Bernie? Grow up, stay on task and answer the question...will Bernie be participating in your definition of War Crimes or would he presecute if elected? Did you ask him where he stands on these issues?

Clearly, according to you this is of grave concern to the nation and my opinion matters little...however it may affect many millions of people's voting habit.

answer the question, where does Bernie stand on this important issue?

[rhett o rick]

115. If you wish to know how Sen Sanders stands on a certain issue, you are free to look it

up for yourself. Why do you refuse to commit yourself on drone killing? Do you support the President's stand or not?

Seems like some are afraid to take a stand and prefer to make ad hominem attacks on others that do take a stand.

[Sheepshank]

116. too bad you think tht asking for Bernie's stand is attacking

you know why I don't describe his stand on prosecuting war criminals................BECAUSE HE HASN'T MADE A STAND. He's as silent as the lamb on this issue. Yet here you are, trying to imply that Obama has some fault for not making the same stand agains Bush et al. Some call that hypicricy.

I have made my own stand, why you feel I'm under some obligation to assuage your desire to know what that is, is beyond me.

But here, let me make it easy for you: BERNIE REFUSES TO PROSECUTE WAR CRIMINALS...HE'S JUST LIKE OBAMA

[rhett o rick]

120. Now I get it. You really do take stands on issues but keep them secret.

Well if you aren't going to speak to issues, I guess we are done.

[Sheepshank]

121. of course you're done....Bernie has let you down. He won't prosecute war criminals

you must be very disappointed.

[rhett o rick]

122. I figure if you will not discuss issues I won't bother with you. Go try your silly rationalizations

as to why you support the killing of innocent people via drones on someone else. Looks to me like you don't care what the Pres does.

To the ignore list

[Sheepshank]

123. you are the one who raise the issue of prosecuting war criminals

but tried to stray to another topic.


bwahh haa haa haa....poutrage alert

[sheshe2]

107. Great question.

Thanks for asking, Sheepshank.

I'll wait for the response as well.

[rhett o rick]

113. It's a sad attempt to deflect from responding to whether you support

drone killing. And if so, what's the justification?

[Cha]

74. And, it says everything about that poster and absolutely nothing about the President. Just another

anonymous typist on the internet dropping ignorant cheap pot shots at President Obama.

Pic of Hillary and Pres Obama when ACA Passed!



This should really make them start sputtering..

she

[sheshe2]

106. "This should really make them start sputtering.. "

Lol~ count on it!


Cha~

[aikoaiko]

21. And the jury results are in....

On Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

He does have a nice smile. But he kills innocent people including women and children
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6898627

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Inappropriate

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:17 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rhett you need to tone-it-down. It's an annoying accusation that is an innaprorpriate callout of another DU'er. This is your first hide in 90 days maybe you will tone it down now, I hope you take a step back and remember to enjoy DU. The vitriol against other DU'ers needs to stop.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's the thing about fawning appreciation threads -- they invite counter opinions. Rhett responded to the OP with a fair criticism of the president (although I disagree that his drone attacks are war crimes, per se).
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Inappropriate is posting this in GD in the current mood.

It's ban-bait.

The OP should have been posted in the BOG, not GD.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is legit debate.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm going to give rhett o rick the benefit of the doubt. He is definitely not one of my favorite people here, but he is expressing opinion. I personally disagree with what he's saying, but in the end who cares. He's just an anonymous bloke on the internet like the rest of us.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Cha]

73. Ha! Juror #1 "Rhett you need to tone-it-down... The vitriol against other DU'ers needs to stop."

yeah, that'll happen.

[WillyT]

24. Jury Results: I Was Juror #4... Can Ya Tell ???

On Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

He does have a nice smile. But he kills innocent people including women and children
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6898627

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Inappropriate

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:17 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rhett you need to tone-it-down. It's an annoying accusation that is an innaprorpriate callout of another DU'er. This is your first hide in 90 days maybe you will tone it down now, I hope you take a step back and remember to enjoy DU. The vitriol against other DU'ers needs to stop.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's the thing about fawning appreciation threads -- they invite counter opinions. Rhett responded to the OP with a fair criticism of the president (although I disagree that his drone attacks are war crimes, per se).
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Inappropriate is posting this in GD in the current mood.

It's ban-bait.

The OP should have been posted in the BOG, not GD.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is legit debate.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm going to give rhett o rick the benefit of the doubt. He is definitely not one of my favorite people here, but he is expressing opinion. I personally disagree with what he's saying, but in the end who cares. He's just an anonymous bloke on the internet like the rest of us.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[davidpdx]

28. I was too and it was a tough call

I personally dislike the trashing of President Obama, but at the same time I think stifling speech is a bad thing. Juror #1 (which was not me) had some good advice for toning it down which I hope he takes to heart.

As to whether it was "ban-bait" I'm not going to judge. In the event that was true, then the jury went the right way and it was resolved.

As for which juror I was, I'll let my comment speak for itself.

[sheshe2]

39. Sadly david...

Poster #4 is proudly trying to stifle our speech. They told us to get out of GD and post in the BOG.

I personally dislike the trashing of President Obama, but at the same time I think stifling speech is a bad thing. Juror #1 (which was not me) had some good advice for toning it down which I hope he takes to heart.

As to whether it was "ban-bait" I'm not going to judge

If supporting a Democratic President, twice in a landslide is ban-bait. Then this party is DOA, well DU is anyway. Glad to say it is not the RW.

[rhett o rick]

45. The point is that we talk about trashing the president instead of holding him accountable for his

actions. I worked hard to get him elected. But if he is doing something that I believe is against Democratic principles, I will speak out. His drone killing is unprecedented. Bush commented when during his administration he was asked to kill with drones that he thought that it was too much. Now the president believes that he can kill suspects anywhere in the world he wants. And if he kills innocent people, he is sorry. Tell me I am wrong to be upset about this.

I have asked his supporters to defend his practices, but they only want to talk about his personality.

[phleshdef]

47. Bernie Sanders said he would probably still use drones as President, but not as much.

[rhett o rick]

50. Really? "he would probably"? Wow. That is powerful. If he does illegally use drones and kills

innocent children, I will hold him accountable.

[JI7]

53. has he objected to Obama using them ?

[rhett o rick]

55. If you want to have a discussion, give me statements and not questions. How do you feel

about drone killings?

[JI7]

57. if the President is murdering innocent people shouldn't Sanders call him out on it ?

[rhett o rick]

91. The President admitted that some innocent people were being killed via his drone

program. Do you approve? Maybe just collateral damage in a time of undeclared war. Should the president be allowed to unilaterally kill if he deems them terrorists or whatever criteria he uses? Should he be allowed to kill via drones in any country?

"The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes/index.html

Would you support unrestricted drone killing if Jeb Bush were president?

[Sheepshank]

104. " if the President is murdering innocent people shouldn't Sanders call him out on it ?"

can't you just answer the question?

I also had asked if Bernie plans to prosecute Bush Cheney and Obama for war crimes. You like to hold others accountable for not doing so...So, is Bernie on board with your requirements? Did you ask yet? Remember that was a question I asked and you keep avoiding.

[rhett o rick]

109. And I asked if you supported the drone killing program with a 2% kill accuracy.

It seems to me that there are a few Obama supporters that will defend him but not commit to defending his programs.

[treestar]

79. Exactly. This whole drone thing is ridiculous.

No one elected President is going to compromise national security with idealism. You'd think the middle east had nothing but innocent people in it. Delusional.

[phleshdef]

58. He said he would re-analyze the way we are using them, but said he would not reject them as...

...a tool.

No one is illegally droning either way. And Obama is not ordering innocent children being killed. Any kind of aggressive actions toward terrorists abroad are going to lead to innocent casualties and Sanders has said he would continue to fight ISIS and other groups, just not with ground troops. So you might as well start holding him accountable now.

I'm voting for Bernie by the way, but I'm just putting it into perspective.

[Hekate]

66. So you still have not written to The Hague and the UN? Please report back to us when you do.

I would love to know what they say about your charges. Really.

Until then you're just trying to start a fistfight here, which is pointless.

[sheshe2]

36. So Willy all the crap

thrown around here about being authoritarian, and you are here telling us where our place should be? You are saying where we should or should not post on DU.

You are poster #4

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Inappropriate is posting this in GD in the current mood.

It's ban-bait.

The OP should have been posted in the BOG, not GD.

You are joking? Correct? The OP is ban bait?

Explanation: Inappropriate is posting this in GD in the current mood.

What current mood is that Willy? We are no longer allowed to support a Democrat here? Is this or is this not still Democratic Underground?

[WillyT]

42. No She... It's Easy... That's Why The "Groups" Were Created... I Don't Go To The BOG, Or HOF...

They don't want me, I'd challenge their assumptions, they'd boot my ass on the first day.

Fair enough... never been there because I respect that.

And as a member of the Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders Groups... I totally respect the "Group" concept.

But I'm NOT telling anybody when and where they can post... that ain't me.

BUT... I was suggesting that if you post i GD, expecting to be treated as the BOG (Isn't this new age technical shit really annoying)... in GD...

You will get the full force of the entirety of opinion.

And for someone to alert on that post...

Well... let's just say it raised flags.

[sheshe2]

46. First of all I did not alert on the damn post.

Yes, you are in your authoritarian way are indeed telling us where to post.

So what is allowed on GD? Pitt calling the Pres. A _ _ _ UCSM? Yup it is reced to the top of the page. Your's too, a hit piece. Others as well. Only Obama and Hillary hit pieces allowed.

Ya know what Willy, we use to be accepted here and allowed some peace.

And as a member of the Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders Groups... I totally respect the "Group" concept.

But I'm NOT telling anybody when and where they can post... that ain't me.

BUT... I was suggesting that if you post i GD, expecting to be treated as the BOG (Isn't this new age technical shit really annoying)... in GD...

Okay. So do not whine to me if Bernie is taken to task for his actions. He is running for President of the United States. We deserve the right to hold his feet to the fire on the issues! Ops addressing issues that we hold near and dear are issues in the election and I will feel free to express them.

[WillyT]

48. And That's Why I Post Most Of My Bernie Sanders OP's Here... In GD... Take Him To Task...

If I have something solely for the Bernie Sanders Group...

I post it there.

GD is a free-for-all.

Do NOT expect feelings to be considered.

[randome]

117. Then you need your own group. The Whiny, Unhappy Team, or WUT.

Because we're rather tired of your vitriol.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[sheshe2]

41. PS Willy

I remember what you said about rec's.

The good vs the bad. I remember what you told me.

[WillyT]

44. I'm Not Sure I Get You... Is That A High Five... A Warning... A Threat... Or Admiration ???

I told you straight out that controversial/antagonistic posts get more traffic.

Was I wrong???

[rhett o rick]

49. I thank the jury for understanding. I am a simple person. I believe in the Constitution and

Democratic principles. I will hold all politicians accountable to both. Blind loyalty is typical of the conservative mind and I will speak out every time I see it.

One poster mention that this was intended to be a feel good post about Pres Obama and why would I dare interject actual issues into such a thread. Feel good posts are fine but if you post them in GD which is intended for open discussion you take your chances. If you notice none of those that attacked me dared to defend Pres Obama's stands. They love Obama but ignore that he is killing innocent men, women and children in sovereign nations via drones. And if I bring it up, I am the bad guy.

[JI7]

51. i don't believe Sanders is opposed to Drones

[rhett o rick]

54. you don't believe? If he were to use drones to kill innocent children, I would hold him

accountable. How do you feel about the deaths of innocents via drones. I think the ratio of suspected bad guys to innocents killed is 100 innocents killed for every 10 suspects. Is that cool with you?

[JI7]

60. is it cool with Sanders ? i'm not running for PResident but Sanders so wouldn't you want him to

speak out against the President murdering innocent women and children ?

[stevenleser]

72. I can't wait until he is asked whether he would use them against ISIS or Al Qaeda

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Then. Even Rand Paul has had to realize that any Presidential run is untenable if the people of this country think you won't protect them against those entities.

Good luck.

[rhett o rick]

90. Do you think the president is authorized to unilaterally kill people he believes are members

of ISIS or Al Qaeda or any other group he deems dangerous, in any country in the world via drones? Do you think there should be zero restrictions and zero oversight? Maybe it's ok if the president is a Democrat and not ok if the president is a Republican.

[stevenleser]

92. Al Qaeda has attacked us and the UN has designated both Al Qaeda and ISIS as criminal entities.

Not just once, but multiple times. They have also indicated that any people or states providing assistance to either groups are committing crimes.

We're signatories to the UN Charter. You do the math.

So no, the President isn't unilaterally doing anything. There is ample international law justification for his actions.

[rhett o rick]

94. The UN confirmed that those groups are criminal entities. That does not authorize

our president to unilaterally pick targets in any country and kill those targeted and anyone near.

The kill percentage for non-innocents in a drone strike is 2%. Let's do the math. For every 100 people killed 98 are innocents. Is that acceptable to you?

The "double-strike" accounts for the deaths of a lot of innocents. That's where we hit the same target a second time to kill the first responders.

From your responses I assume you support the drone killing program. I think it needs controls. What if a Republican president were to assume this authorization?

[stevenleser]

95. Once again, since the UN declared those groups criminals, it's not unilateral. Second, who says

the US can't pick targets? Where does international law say so?

[rhett o rick]

96. Again the UN has designated the groups as criminal. They do not, as far as I know,

authorized drone killing criminals in sovereign nations.

The president and the CIA are making the decision as to the person(s) that will be specifically killed. They decide on their own.
They kill approx 98 innocents for every suspect they kill. Many if not most innocents are killed by our double strikes that kill first responders.

You don't seem to want to commit to supporting drone killing.

[stevenleser]

124. The UN depends on member states to carry out their resolutions. The UN has no army or police force

capable of attacking or arresting international criminals.

International law tends to be very pragmatic. If an entity or state is a defined by the UN as a criminal or aggressor state or entity, other states taking them to task tend to be given a lot of leeway. One only needs to look at how the UN has addressed other questions to see that.

[treestar]

81. How about the deaths of innocents via any means?

Tanks? Carpet bombs? Nuclear bombs? Rifles? You are simply against the US defending itself in any way whatsoever. There are nothing but innocents in those countries? No terrorists? We should leave the terrorists alone to plot again innocents here? I think you are in that camp that says we deserve to be hit by terrorist attacks. Our innocents are apparently not of any concern.

[rhett o rick]

98. Will you explain why you support the President's drone killing program?

Where we kill 98 innocent men, women and children for every 2 suspects we kill.

I don't support this current program.

[stevenleser]

127. Will you explain why you don't want international law to have any weight or meaning?

If the UN declares states or entities criminals and no one does anything about it, why would anyone care if the UN issues resolutions?

If the UN declares a state or entity a criminal or aggressor right now, and that entity or state is threatening your country and/or has attacked you in the past, why shouldn't you attack them?

Why are you so intent on bad logic to force this label of war criminal on Obama? What is that about?

[rhett o rick]

133. I do not support Pres Obama's drone killing program. Why would you? Do you have

any rationalization?

[Drunken Irishman]

59. FDR committed more war crimes than Obama...

JFK too.

[think]

82. Whether it's war crimes or not the killing of innocent women & children by drones is reprehensible.

Something some here seem incapable of saying....

[rhett o rick]

93. Seems that for some it's only reprehensible if a Republican does it. nm

[WorseBeforeBetter]

10. I'm ready for change.

But I'm afraid that "change" will be Hlllary.

[sheshe2]

17. Thanks for this, DSB.

I am going to miss him too.

[Iliyah]

18. K & R

I truly like the President. I agree to disagree.

There are umpteenth threads trashing him, but alas, the need to come into a positive thread about the President of the United States apparently is an obsession.

[geek tragedy]

25. According to some DUers, that makes you a Nazi.

[leftofcool]

26. I really am going to miss him when his term is over.

[RiverLover]

29. I've been missing candidate Obama for 7 years now. /nt

[Elwood P Dowd]

30. I miss the 2008 Obama. Not too crazy about the shiney new Wall Street Obama. (nm)

[seveneyes]

33. Dude

[WillyT]

35. Which Is A Great Example Of Why People Who Say They Support Democrats....

Really Just Mean... The President.

Because there are a hell of a lot of Democrats that are pissed at Barack Obama.

And some of them are Dem House Members and Senators and voters.

Yet apparently... they don't count.

Which begs the question: When you say you support the Democratic Party...

What... EXACTLY... does that mean?

[freshwest]

37. We'll miss him when he's not around. Smarter than all candidates. For you, DSB:

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Been missing him since he was re-elected in 2012. Knew he was marking the days, working to make every day count.

What better way to spend one's life, not wasting one's limited time on Earth?

Always thought that when his last day on this planet comes, the only thing to say will be, 'Well done, thou good and faithful servant.'

Not many have had such an opportunity and used it so well, especially in the face of such adversity. We were lucky. JMHO.

[Quayblue]

56. well said freshwest, as always... eom

[freshwest]

68. TY! Yes, we were given a gift. Gotta turn in. Good night!

[Cha]

65. mahalo for that from the Inauguration, freshwest.. Bono!

[freshwest]

67. Muy bueno Bono! Very heart felt! Glad you like it.

[shenmue]

63. Swoon

[treestar]

80. It'd be better than a picture of Bernie shirtless anywhere

Or any of the clown car.

Really that's your response to mild appreciation of someone?

[sheshe2]

108. Boom~

[Cha]

132. This thread needs more pics of the President and here VP Biden, too, treestar!

White House Celebrates Supreme Court Win on Health Law


http://www.nytimes.com/live/supreme-court-rules-on-affordable-care-act/obamacare-supreme-court-win-celebrated-at-the-white-house/

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/25/today-is-a-good-day-for-america/

[treestar]

134. It's always been a big fuckin' deal!

Cha!

[Cha]

135. For anyone who has compassion for other people, treestar..

[Jamaal510]

70. It feels like '08

was just yesterday, where I was able to cast my first vote ever and when everyone at my high school was excited about the possibility of a Black president. I'll miss him too. I'll miss having a president who was so inspirational and appreciated by people worldwide. I'll miss his clear-headed approach to tackling the country's problems (e.g. keeping us out of additional wars and contributing to a steadily lowering UE rate). It's a shame he never had a fully functioning Congress for about 3/4 of his presidency because there was room for potential. He got the most accomplished when D's controlled all 3 branches, and things were just getting started. In the distant (or maybe even not so distant future), I won't be surprised if people look back and have a more positive view of his time in office. The only things I won't miss are reading the hyperbole and CT's about him online, and seeing the anti-Obama crowd on my TV. Once he leaves in 2017, I'm sure he's going to enjoy the time away from the spotlight. It will be much less stressful for him to no longer have to deal with the immaturity of some in Congress, the lies from FOX News et al, or campaign season.

[Cha]

76. "Obama’s Retirement Plan: Help Black Kids"

After he leaves the White House, friends say the president will return to his passion: helping African Americans through his My Brother's Keeper Alliance.

What is in Barack Obama’s heart? Underneath that cool exterior, it can be hard to tell. When he leaves office in 2017, he will be a fit 55-year-old with decades of productive life likely ahead of him. How will he use them?

I went to the Bronx on Monday with a hunch that Obama was about to tell us; and I wasn’t disappointed.

At the risk of emphasizing his status as a lame duck, Obama announced the establishment of My Brother’s Keeper Alliance, a nonprofit outgrowth of the My Brother’s Keeper program in the White House that the president announced more than a year ago, with little fanfare from a jaded press and public.

MOre..
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/05/how-obama-will-spend-the-rest-of-his-life.html



http://www.colorlines.com/articles/top-row-3rd-left-most-adorable-obama-kids-photo-ever

Yeah, such a "cool exterior".. Rofl

Jamaal

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. -:)

[Cha]

75. "Obama's approval rating among liberal democrats rises to 86%"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6888903

It's doesn't matter that there on those on DU who don't appreciate this President.. the important thing is that the country does and that's going to really help us with getting our next Democratic President elected.

Pic of Hillary and President Obama when ACA Passed!



Thank you, DSB!

[treestar]

77. I agree; he is a hard act to follow

Can't be topped or equalled.

[WI_DEM]

99. He has been a very good president

who has had to put up with extremists in the congress who have from day one done everything they can to deter him.

[EndElectoral]

103. Love his sense of humor, his smile... Not too wild on some of his recent policy pushes.

[Bernie 2016]

105. I am greatly disappointed in him.

I do not hate him. I'll shake his hand for his accomplishments, but disappointed at him not delivering what Candidate Obama promised he would do.

I remember Obama promising that his government would be transparent. So far, it isn't as transparent as I would like.

Perfect example would be the TPP being so secret only Congress can look at it, but can't take notes on it. If I was Congress, I would vote NO on anything remotely related to TPP (like the TPA) until the entire text and chapters of the current TPP is revealed, and appropriate amendments are made to make the TPP the way it should be a "gold standard" for Americans to be able to work and exist peacefully without fear.

[Warren DeMontague]

118. I think History will be far kinder to his legacy than the present is.

I think he has accomplished much, in fact I'm quite tempted to call him the best President of my lifetime.

[fadedrose]

125. Me too

I'm one of those brain-dead people our cali called people who still support Obama even though he's pushing TPP through.

I like his ways, his voice, his demeanor, his courtesy, and his devotion to his family, his job, world relations, and a whole "bunch" (the word that now has dignity thanks to Obama) of other things.

His speeches usually keep me spellbound and tearful - the big ones - the inaugurals and SOTU especially.

[randys1]

126. I wanted him to have 292 accomplishments, he only had 291 so I am pissed

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

[realFedUp]

128. Ready for Hillary

And frankly. Barry is ready for daily golf.

[raven mad]

129. A GOOD man. I worked hard for his elections.

It was worth it, despite TPP.

[JonLP24]

130. I wouldn't like myself if I made some of the policy choices he has made

I'm not talking about anything proposed to the House or Senate (except for his poor negotiation skills which has further moved the middle ground far to the right) but strictly things he has in control over -- including expanding executive branch powers setting dangerous precedents. Don't know what the issue was behind the change from Candidate Obama or First 100 days Obama to the moderate Republican or more like the Bill Nelson wing of the Democratic Party but the easy targets are the people who choose to surround himself around.

Me personally my conscience would be crushing me pursuing the things he has, continuing the things he has, and push the things he has.

I will say I miss Candidate Obama or First 100 days Obama but after that we can and should do better. The world depends on it -- I don't know how to solve it. The biggest problem is the other party that is openly selling out the people for business & operating with a full bag of dirty tricks but I do know it helps to tell the truth about him. I don't mean the political grandstanding stuff, I mean what it is exactly they're saying or pushing & the reason behind it. More than that he's lead Bush-era Democrats into supporters of Bush-era policies. He has given them credibility for what I consider to be some pretty extreme policies.

Looking forward not backward would have been different if he cleaned the slate but instead he looked backward to challenge Bagram detainees from using Habeaes Corpus to challenge their detention which was the beginning of the end of candidate Obama. It was 1 week after he released the torture memos. Personally, I see the world becoming a much crueler place even more than it is right now. I have love for the people though and if government is putting business over the people then of course I support the people over the government in question.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. The world is a better place because of Barack Obama

I'm going to an informal wedding party in Santa Monica later. My friend, Gary, was trying to get citizenship papers for his spouse, Julio... He was having problems because Julio was here on a guest visa from Mexico which he overstayed by years.Now that their marriage is federally recognized it should be easier.


God bless President Obama.

[Cha]

131. YES! President Barack Obama's message to the GOP on #ObamaCare's 6-3 SCOTUS win.

LOLGOP ?@LOLGOP
So heartwarming to see Republicans consoling themselves over the bad news that thousands of people won't go bankrupt if they get sick.
5:09 AM - 25 Jun 2015
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/25/yes-3/

Mahalo DemocratSinceBirth!

[Cha]

137. Our beautiful president singing Amazing Grace for Clementa Pinckney in South Carolina today..