The flag of the Confederacy should be flown. On state grounds if they so choose. It's their right.

[Glassunion]

I'll even pay for the pole.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. This - is awesome!

[randys1]

2. Post of the god damn YEAR

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Amen brother!

[Canoe52]

38. Make that 2 Amens!

[joshcryer]

4. Heh!

[myrna minx]

5. Love it!

While watching Politics Nation, I started crying again, when Rev Al showed a still photo of Senator Clementa Pinckney's empty parking spot at the capital. It was haunting. Thanks for the smile of the day.

[UtahLib]

6. Truth! nt

[LAGC]

7. Dear South: You Lost.

Get over it. :p

[CheshireDog]

53. The South is winning now..

They may have lost the war...but they are clearly seeing their renaissance now.

Cities exploding, northerners flocking there like crazy to escape high taxes and overpriced real estate, better weather, everything new and clean..

Moving there myself soon! Love it. And don't let the stories in rural areas fool you, I encounter much less racism in major southern cities like Charlotte or Atlanta than I do even in the NYC suburbs...

[jmowreader]

55. I moved back north to escape low wages and the prevailing attitude there

If you were not born in the South, you will NEVER truly fit in...you'll be, at best, grudgingly accepted if you choose one of the biggest cities to live in.

[CheshireDog]

66. I think it depends on where you live..

I've found many upperclass suburbs outside of major cities where the majority of the citizens are former northerners escaping the cost of living in the northeast...so the attitudes reflect that region, thankfully.

[missingthebigdog]

76. Correct!

and your children will not be accepted as southern, even if born here.

As someone once told me, "just because the cat had kittens in the oven, that don't make 'em biscuits."

People in the south remain distrustful of people from elsewhere.

[juajen]

79. We do not.

Of course, there are always exceptions, but I was born and raised in the deep south. and I see welcome and hospitality everywhere. You're painting with a broad brush.

[missingthebigdog]

87. I was also born in the South

But was raised elsewhere.

Being back here after having lived in other regions gives me a different perspective. I do not see welcome and hospitality except for tourists.

[CheshireDog]

95. There's a reason Cary NC..

..is said to stand for "Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees"

I agree it may be hard to fit in if you move to the middle of nowhere where most locals are born and raised in the South...but in the suburbs outside of major cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Austin etc..northern people are moving there like crazy and causing them to be the fastest growing areas of the country. The majority of people aren't even from the South. I saw a statistic recently that Cary, NC (which has gone from like 10k in population to close to 150k in less than 30 years) only has a 25% or so population from NC - the rest are from the northeast or other countries.

Things have changed. I can't wait to move there. I've already seen the vast improvements in quality of life firsthand. For a much lower price (and much, much less yearly property taxes) I can get a 3000-4000 square foot newly built home fully updated. I pay 3x that estimated monthly payment on a home in the NYC suburbs that is only 1600 square feet and hasn't been updated since the 80s. Combined with the weather and much less broke state governments thay can actually spend money on improvements to roads, parks, etc, its no brainer for me. I also like the cleanliness and newness of the booming southern suburbs compared to the run down slum look of many northern cities.

I may be more liberal than the average southerner but they sure win on quality of life and if you can't beat em, join em

[choie]

103. We DID beat them!

N/t

[sulphurdunn]

111. I've lived in the South

for 20 years. I'm married to a Southerner and my kids were born and raised here. Grudging acceptance has not been my experience.

[kcr]

118. I escaped, too.

I so agree with you. Wish I could have done it sooner.

[nikto]

64. No ---- The CORPORATIONS are winning now ...

While we were all talking about the Confederate flag, the senate passed TPP/fast-track.

Not a coincidence, IMO.

The elites have got us, coming and going.

[npk]

8. It is their favorite color.

[wendylaroux]

28. ohhhh!

perfect

[geardaddy]

114. Oh snap! n/t

[JI7]

9. perfect

[BrotherIvan]

10. Well done

If it wasn't such a waste that could go to real causes, we could all send them one.

[Depaysement]

11. You can torch the Confederate Flag

It's a stain on the body politic.

But the South didn't lose the war because of cowardice, if that is what you are implying.

Enormous numbers of southerners served bravely then and continue to do so now, under the Stars and Stripes.

[Glassunion]

13. I'm not knocking the south.

I'm knocking the Confederacy.

[Depaysement]

46. My bad

I thought you were calling southerners cowards. No love for the confederacy here.

[Glassunion]

51. It's not a flag of cowards at all.

It is a parlay, or surrender flag.

This southern boy (Creole by birth, Georgia raised), would never, ever, ever, shit on the south in any way.

[nikto]

65. Good 4 You ----- That is an important distinction, indeed

[SunSeeker]

17. Serving bravely does not make their cause noble.

As I've said in another post, Southern whites should hate the Confederacy.

Rather than bowing to reality and decency, those damn Confederate leaders started a war they had little chance of winning, all so they could keep slavery in place. And yet their names and faces are commemorated all over the South. Because of the war the Confederacy started, 620,000 American lives were lost. The Confederacy not only lost the war, but the South was devastated. 

The ratio of Confederate soldiers who died compared to Union soldiers was 3:1. 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/death-numbers/ 

Those much-celebrated Confederate generals had a lot more Southern blood on their hands than Union blood. 

I think the loss of those Confederate soldiers is tragic, like the loss of our troops in Iraq. Their deaths are made more tragic in that they died needlessly, fighting in a misguided war.

[daleanime]

30. +1

[npk]

33. Yep! 100% how I feel.

I am from the south and have never had anything nice to say about the confederacy. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are not my ancestors and they were vile human beings. They can rot right where they are. I don't celebrate the south either. I am not ashamed of where I come from, and many special people in my life are friends I grew up with in the south. That is the only thing I celebrate. My heritage is in the wonderful people that have helped me along the way, grandparents, parents, siblings, friends, etc. I have no reason to celebrate what happened during and after the Civil War. They are a stain on the south and should be called just that.

[avebury]

50. I don't think that they truly understand

what it was like to live in the Confederate south.

There is a really well researched novel called House Divided by Ben Ames Williams who was the grand nephew of the Confederate General James Longstreet. It is an extremely long but worthwhile book to read. The book places an extended fictional family in the context of the Civil War and focuses on the impact of the war on the South. For those who have delusions of the Confederacy, the book paints a pretty clear picture on why the South never ever had a chance to win the war in the logn run. I read it a second time 1.5 years ago and thought so little has changed except it is the Republicans and not the Democrats now. The powers to be thought that the right to vote should be restricted to the educated and wealthy. Forget blacks and women, they didn't even think that poor white men should be allowed to vote.

The books reminds so much of the 1%ers, and Republican clown car of current times. You can almost picture the book writtne in our time.

[brush]

24. Ahhh . . . they were traitors. Got that? nt

[Depaysement]

42. Yes the War ended 150 years ago. Uh, got that?

Snark right back at ya.

[brush]

85. 150 years ago doesn't change that they were traitors.

The supporters of that flag go on about "it's who we are", or "it's our heritage, our history", or "it's to honor the courage of those who fell".

IMO they need to be reminded that the rebels were traitors to their country.

That seems to have gotten lost or purposely ignored over the decades — and they were failed traitors at that.

[Depaysement]

119. But 150 years does change that many southerners . . .

. . . a disproportionate number, now serve their country with valor. That seems to be lost on you.

[brush]

121. You're wandering there. Is it because you can't argue with facts?

We were talking about confederates traitors from 150 years ago.

We were not discussing southerners of today.

[geek tragedy]

27. Just like many Waffen SS fought bravely in WWII. nt

[freshwest]

45. The Confederate flag was a stain on the body politic. Slavery was and is wrong.

I have posted the words of the leaders whose real argument is with the Founding Fathers. They really did not believe 'That all men were created equal,' and sought to destroy that.

It took no bravery to defend the practice of keeping people in chains under onerous conditions stacking the deck against them. For those who were deluded into thinking it was something other, they have my pity.

I'm from the South and know what it was about, and history has shown since Reconstruction and the terrorism to attack the body politic and the rights of AA's with their night riders and lynching and the torching of black homes, that their cause was never noble.

To conflate them with any kind of nobility is quite an error. And that flag is the American version of the Nazi Swastika, which was widely hated after WW2. It was the mercy of Lincoln and the outright terrorism after his murder for the southern 'cause' that afflicted generations of Americans and still does.

So please forgive me, but if you take humbrage at the burning of the flag, I say you need to think again. I take umbrage at their attempt to overturn the US Constitution and institute a brutal oligarchy.

Where I'd have no vote about the most important sovereignty there is, that of the human body and mind.

[Depaysement]

49. Yes you repeated my words

I merely said that the notion that southerners were cowards is wrong. Dead wrong.

I though that was what glass Union was implying. He says no and I believe him.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Is that white enough for ya?

[joeybee12]

14. Ouch!

I like it. KNR

[ToxMarz]

15. Cornbread eating surrender monkeys.

[Glassunion]

18. You have a problem with cornbread?

Don't make go and get Skittles.

[yuiyoshida]

19. I am

Japanese American and I love cornbread.. I also love Skittles!

[Skittles]

20. AW I LOVE YOU TOO MY SWEET

[yuiyoshida]

21. XD

[Glassunion]

22. Whew!

That was close.

[yuiyoshida]

23. :)

yEAH

[ToxMarz]

29. No problem with cornbread

Just looking for a Southern food, my first thought Fried Chicken I was afraid could be misinterpreted.

[Glassunion]

40. I'm a southern boy.

I take my cornbread very seriously.

[kwassa]

57. From scratch, or do you use the Jiffy mix?

the real test.

[Glassunion]

68. Scratch.

All else is a sin. And it has to be done in cast iron.

[kwassa]

70. The biggest flamewar I've seen on the Internet was over cornbread.

You are hardcore.

No Jiffy in your house.

[freshwest]

78. Of course from scratch. Buttermilk. Butter. Soda. YELLOW. No flour. No sugar!

NEVER, EVER!

[bullsnarfle]

88. What?

No bacon drippings?? I hear my grandmama rolling in her grave...

Oh, and salt. You got to have a good pinch o' salt.

[Glassunion]

100. We had a civil debate over in C&B a while back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/115718455

[Cheviteau]

97. Jiffy Mix?

My God ! In about two hours I'll start making buttermilk cornbread. I'll have speckled butter beans, fried okra, stewed squash, sliced tomatoes, (all from my garden) and grilled pork chops to go with it. And I have 1/2 watermelon cooling in the fridge to top it off. I just don't know yet whether I'll use my 9" or 12" cast iron skillet to make the cornbread. Don't knock southern cooking. It's the best.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

99. Grandma, is that you? ...

But seriously, I'm in Texas. I'll be there for supper!

[freshwest]

77. I'm not a guy, but I do, too. VERY seriously. Don't get me started!

[Tanuki]

93. Come on over next year,

last weekend in April!

http://www.nationalcornbread.com/

[nikto]

69. Tasty stuff!! Here's a little cornbread food-porn for ya' ...

Just don't tell my doctor.

[NuclearDem]

91. Guess she don't like the cornbread either.

[mstinamotorcity2]

16. I like

this.

[Missn-Hitch]

25. Yes! I will chip in.

[freshwest]

26. OOPS! I thought I was gonna have to 'Stand My Ground' and shoot it full of holes, because...

It makes me fear for my life.

It's dishonorable to shoot anyone showing the flag of surrender.

Now I can relax...

[JustAnotherGen]

35. +1000

[Kalidurga]

31. Oh they will be flying that flag soon enough okay not really soon enough, but...

soon, very soon.

[Thespian2]

32. Right On, Brother!!!

[mfcorey1]

34. Historically accurate!!!!!!

[prayin4rain]

36. Haha! Well played, indeed. n/t

[Solly Mack]

39. Now that's funny! I fecking love it!

[sheshe2]

41. DU Rec

Brilliant!

[scarletwoman]

43. Perfect! nt

[Cassidy1]

44. Excellent

They were beaten and still persist to this day.

[WinkyDink]

47. Heeheehee!

[Codeine]

48. I never Rec shit.

I recced the FUCK outta that!

[99Forever]

52. Exactly.

[jtuck004]

54. Don't mistake a surrender flag for a sheet from the clothesline. They may not have

given up just yet.

[Dr. Xavier]

56. HEAR HERE n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. I can't have been the only one to open this thread with a headful of steam

...only to find out I had been played. Very nicely done. Recommended.

[47of74]

72. So was I.

[New Orleans Strong]

59. What astounds me...

...is that this entire issue was presented as if there were two sides to this issue. There is ONE side to this issue. This preposterous "Heritage! my ancestor fought to the death for the right to keep and sell people like furniture". Hmmmm. No. Nope nope nope. Not a "Side". My great grandaddy Died! so that He!! Could make more $$ by owning people. People! Humans! To torture and squeeze. To rape. And to breed. We need to have OUR HERITAGE, because we are awesome.

There. Is. ONE. Side. To this arguement.

Pah- pleeeeeze.

[freshwest]

61. Plus a million.

[ejbr]

82. +1 n/t

[Iwillnevergiveup]

60. Kickin'

It's the truth.

[wolfie001]

62. Yes!!!

Even their "brilliant strategist" General Lee honorably surrendered. Why can't these dumb fucks get it? Racist simpletons!

[deafskeptic]

63. Personally, I think it should be flown on private property like home and cars only.

Neither business or the State should fly it on their property.

[Missn-Hitch]

73. Corporations are people my friend.

[nikto]

67. 2 examples of Southern creations ...

2 Southern Creations:

The KKK ---- An abomination:




Fried chicken, a gift to humanity:





I reject the 1st;
I fully-endorse the 2nd.

[d_legendary1]

113. At the expense of a hear attack

My vote goes to fried chicken!

[47of74]

71. Here I was getting all set to do battle

Instead I'll just say...

[Arugula Latte]

74. Err, maybe it's not a good idea to let Confederate flag fans near white fabric ...

they might wind up wearing it as a hood.

[rhett o rick]

75. I am disappointed to see a post like this on a so-called politically liberal message board.

Disrespecting the South is an easy rec, but it's a cheap shot.

[lovemydog]

81. They lost.

Those who still wave that racist flag haven't come to grips with it. I don't bash the south unremittingly. In this case (regarding waving confederate flags around like swinging their racist dicks) it's cold fact. I know there's a lot of great people in the South. They are part of the union known as the united states of america.

[customerserviceguy]

84. If that's the criteria

Maybe we should start ripping down those POW-MIA flags, because they lost, too.

Not only did our side lose the Vietnam War, we lost the possibility of the missing veterans being accounted for the minute that "Made in Vietnam" clothing started showing up in US shopping malls, because nothing could be a clearer sign that Americans just don't care about Vietnam veterans anymore.

[lovemydog]

106. That raises an interesting question.

Is there a flag that honors the fallen soldiers of the U.S. Civil War that doesn't symbolize secession and slavery?

[rhett o rick]

110. Why would you think it appropriate to continually mock the South for losing the war?

You lump all the racists in the South in with everyone else. If you have to hate, hate racism and those that perpetuate it. Don't hate the South.

[lovemydog]

116. I don't hate the South.

Interestingly, that's also a line from the ending of Faulkner's great book Absalom, Absalom.

[Glassunion]

83. Ask yourself this: is this GA boy knocking the south, or is he

knocking the Confederacy?

Please go back and read my words in the OP.

[rhett o rick]

105. When you mock the Confederacy's loss you mock the South. Yes they lost and they paid dearly for it.

Why keep the wound open.

[Glassunion]

107. "Why keep the wound open"

Great question...

Why would I possibly mock a Confederacy that was constructed for the purpose of maintaining slavery?

I do not view the south as the Confederacy, or do I equate the Confederacy to the south. They are two different entities completely.

[rhett o rick]

109. You didn't answer the question. You insinuate that you are metting out

some kind of retribution because the South had slavery. And mocking the Confederacy is mocking the South IMO.

Maintaining hatred between North and South is counter productive.

[Glassunion]

115. I am not metting out any kind of retribution. Period.

In my original post, I made a joke at the expense of those who which to fly a flag of a failed state (the Confederation), that came into being on the cornerstone of slavery. That flag that flies on the grounds of the State House, is one of the flags of a nation that was hostile towards the United States.

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition." - Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens

That flag that people are so desperately clinging to (not just in the south), is a symbol of slavery. In its current form, it is a symbol of racism and hate. That is what I am making fun of.

These ass-hats are the butt of my joke...


I seek no retribution as I firmly believe that this is not representative of the south. I have never, ever, ever, shit on the south. In fact I'm pretty darn sure that you would be hard pressed to find a post where I do. But, to save you time, you can judge my posts for yourself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026890610#post2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025964522#post6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025964522#post42
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025914990#post18
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023946523#post31
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026613899#post26
... I could go on.

The fact that you cannot see the difference between the south: A culturally diverse and wonderful region of the United States, and the Confederacy: A nation built on the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

[rhett o rick]

120. Your OP doesn't discuss the rebel flag but shows a flag of surrender. I have no problem

with you being critical of the use of the rebel flag, but your OP mocked the surrender of the South to the North. And thru-out the thread people posted how the South lost the war and should be mocked.

At the time of the war the South was the Confederacy and visa-vera but that's in the past. Hate racism if you must hate but don't hate the South.

[Glassunion]

123. I do not know how to help you understand that I do not hate the south.

I don't hate the south. I have, as my posting history proves, always defended the south, when folks want to start a bash-fest on the region.

My OP does indeed reflect me being critical of the "rebel" (Confederate) flag. The Confederacy should be mocked. Just like other abusive states should be mocked. The cornerstone of the Confederacy was slavery. It was a nation setup with the goal to ensure slavery could continue. They did this by forswearing any and all oaths they had to the United States, and declaring war on it. That is treason. Period. Treason that they justified by their perceived notion that they were superior to the black man, and that his rightful place was in servitude of the white man.

There are folks that want that Confederate flag waving over the grounds of their state house. They want that flag, a symbol of treason, hate, and racism to fly proudly on public grounds. What kind of message does that send to not only the residents of the state, but to the rest of the world?

You said it yourself; "At the time of the war the South was the Confederacy and visa-vera but that's in the past." That is my point, the south is not the Confederacy. Today the south, is simply another region in the United States. They are not a separate country, they are us. As U.S. citizens, we are the south, as well as the east, New England, mid-west, etc... We are a nation united. The confederacy was never part of this republic. It was a failed attempt to secede by an act of war against this union.

Now to poke fun at the racist garbage that wants that flag to fly proudly on public grounds, my post is simply a tongue-in-cheek reminder that the Confederacy is dead, and that it should remain that way. That white flag, to me is the most important flag to ever fly over the failed state that was the Confederacy. That white flag signaled the beginning of the emancipation of my mother's family. A family that spent generations in bondage, who would have remained so for several more generations, if that flag of truce was never waived.

I do not hate the south. I hate the Confederacy.

[NuclearDem]

89. You're disappointed to see a post on a liberal board celebrating the surrender of the Confederacy?

Okey dokey lokey!

[Pacifist Patriot]

92. Fact is, the confederacy lost their rebellion and surrendered. How is that a cheap shot?

I'm a Georgia girl whose roots are firmly embedded in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia dating back to the 17th century. Documented Daughter of the Confederacy and I say that with shame not pride. This was a darn funny post and nothing to be disappointed in whatsoever.

[rhett o rick]

108. Mocking the loss by the South is not the actions of open-minded liberals. Let's move on.

The objections to the display of the rebel flag is another discussion.

[Pacifist Patriot]

122. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Your finger wagging as to what constitutes acceptable behavior for open-minded liberals strikes me as odd in this instance, but whatever.

[lovemydog]

80. Yes!

[Shadowflash]

86. Haha!

[link:

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[LanternWaste]

90. Mint julip sipping surrender monkeys.

Mint julip sipping surrender monkeys. Or something like that...

[Glassunion]

94. Damn it! I like those too...

They are great on a hot day.

[DrBulldog]

96. The Europeans will tell us what the Stars and Bars represents to them . . .

. . . an American swastika.

[Glassunion]

98. Not 100%

Loyalists in Northern Ireland have taken to displaying the flag. It really took me for a surprise when I visited.

[zinnisking]

101. Thank you!

I'm going to make this into a shirt and wear it around my racist boss.

[Catherine Vincent]

102. Lmao

Perfect!

[kairos12]

104. Dual purpose item--surrender flag, or punch some eyeholes in it and confeds can wear it as a hood.

[pokerfan]

112. The only Confederate flag that mattered....

[Duval]

117. I'll help pay for more poles!! nt