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Omaha Steve

(99,669 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:58 PM Jun 2015

June 21, 1964 Federal agents eventually found their mangled bodies...


http://www.workdayminnesota.org/history/06/21

Civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney and Michael Schwerner disappeared near Philadelphia, Mississippi. Federal agents eventually found their mangled bodies; Klansmen and Mississippi police had kidnapped the activists and beaten them to death with clubs and chains.

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June 21, 1964 Federal agents eventually found their mangled bodies... (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2015 OP
So many civil rights atrocities anniversaries mcar Jun 2015 #1
... shenmue Jun 2015 #2
And here we are all this many years later STILL Jamastiene Jun 2015 #3
This starroute Jun 2015 #4
Thank you. I had forgotten about this song. But we will never forget those 3 boys. jwirr Jun 2015 #5
A good flick about it. "Mississippi Burning" longship Jun 2015 #6
Better Movie is Attack on Terror. The FBI vs the Ku Klux Klan rpannier Jun 2015 #10
I will check it out. longship Jun 2015 #13
NBC News Special Report: Chaney, Goodman, Schwerner (1964) struggle4progress Jun 2015 #7
More on that murder happyslug Jun 2015 #8
By Norman Rockwell: WillyT Jun 2015 #9
"beaten them to death with clubs and chains". The three were shot to death: WinkyDink Jun 2015 #11
Sickening. SoapBox Jun 2015 #12
... irisblue Jun 2015 #14
Here's Pete Seeger's song about it. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #15

mcar

(42,337 posts)
1. So many civil rights atrocities anniversaries
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jun 2015

this year; so many current atrocities. When will we ever learn.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. A good flick about it. "Mississippi Burning"
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jun 2015
Mississippi Burning.

Yes, it is a fictionalized account. But it still a helluva good flick. Gene Hackman, Willem Defoe, and Frances McDormand are stand outs, as are the supporting cast.

Highly recommended. I recently viewed it from NetFlicks.

R&K

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
10. Better Movie is Attack on Terror. The FBI vs the Ku Klux Klan
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jun 2015

This movie is more accurate and avoids the stylized form of Mississippi Burning.
It is based on Don Whitehead's book
It has an outstanding cast

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. I will check it out.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jun 2015

But Parker's Mississippi Burning is still a good statement on the issues. And the actors are also great.

I'll queue your recommendation on my NetFlicks, if it is available.

Thank you very much.


 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
8. More on that murder
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jun 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

The above cite does NOT mention that the Mob was recruited to find out where the bodies were:

In the summer of 1964, according to Schiro and other sources, FBI field agents in Mississippi [8] recruited Scarpa to come to Mississippi to help them find missing civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner. The FBI was convinced the three men had been murdered, but could not find their graves. The agents thought that Scarpa, using illegal interrogation techniques not available to agents, might succeed at gaining this information from suspects. Once Scarpa arrived in Mississippi, local FBI agents allegedly provided him with a gun and money to pay for information. Scarpa and an FBI agent allegedly pistol-whipped and kidnapped Lawrence Byrd, a TV salesman and secret Klansman, from his store in Laurel and took him to Camp Shelby, a local Army base. At Shelby, Scarpa severely beat Byrd and stuck a gun barrel down his throat. The terrified Byrd finally revealed to Scarpa the location of the civil rights workers' graves.[2][9]

The FBI has never officially confirmed the Scarpa story. In addition, the story contradicts evidence from investigative journalist Jerry Mitchell and Illinois high school teacher Barry Bradford, who claimed that Mississippi highway patrolman Maynard King provided the grave locations to FBI agent Joseph Sullivan after obtaining the information from an anonymous third party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Scarpa#Mississippi_civil_rights_workers


The action of the mob was not torture, for even the mob know torture does not work when you want information (it works great if you want a confession, for you do not need the confession to be true or not). What the mobster threatened to do was kill the informer and after making that threat holding the suspect till he told them where the bodies were AND the bodies were found (The FBI helped picked the suspect, one that did NOT do the actual killing but just helped bury the bodies). The threat of death was made to make sure the suspect had no hope of ever getting out of the situation without talking (in normal situation this is done by threatening to hold someone in jail forever). The FBI had no grounds to hold the suspect, so they just had the mobster kidnap the suspect and interrogate him for hours at a time. The FBI was thus in a position that if he ever told everyone the FBI could say they did not do it. Notice the key was interrogation without the use of torture but with the promise that he would be released if he told the truth, but he would stay in jail forever (or be killed) if he did not tell the truth. The FBI hired the mob to do this so they hands could be clean (and that no agent could be identified by the suspect if he ever told local law enforcement).
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. Here's Pete Seeger's song about it.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 02:43 AM
Jun 2015

This cover version is by Kim and Reggie Harris and Magpie (not "the Magpies" as the YouTube uploader garbled it; Magpie is the duo of Greg Artzner and Terry Leonino).





Thanks for the reminder.

ETA: I always think of it as Pete Seeger's song but I should have added that Frances Taylor was credited as the lyricist. According to Broadside #75, where the song appeared she wrote a poem; Seeger set it to music with some revisions to the words.
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