Dear NRA

[jmowreader]

Cut the shit. America has HAD IT with a gun massacre every day. Either you solve the problem of gun violence or we will.

Sincerely, the Gun Grabbers of Merica.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. Dear NRA: You are not fooling us.

We know you are not comprised of citizens who support the second amendment. We know that you are supporting corporations who are twisting the second amendment and using it against us to make as much money as you can no matter what the cost to our society and our citizenry.

Dear politicians: it is time for you to stand up to the NRA and their "rating" system and their threats of running you out of office of you don't allow them to continue to destroy our society for their personal gain.

Dear citizens of the US: stop believing the bullshit. Get up off the couch. Turn off reality TV, and get to work. The NRA needs to be run out of town.

[Shamash]

3. Out of curiousity

Exactly which corporations should citizens who do support the second amendment support? Because it sounds you are saying they aren't supposed to support corporations that make firearms. Because of course that's what the NRA does, and if the NRA does that and does not support the second amendment when it does so, citizens who do support the second amendment would have to support some other sort of corporations.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. You misunderstand. I support the second amendment

The NRA does not give one sh*t about it. They tout it, using it against you to gain as much power as they can. Take off the blind fold.

I support the second amendment, just like I support the first amendment. And both should have reasonable restrictions. For example you are prohibited from yelling 'hijack' on a plane or 'fire' in a crowded theater. You can't tell someone you are going to kill them, without being arrested for harassment.

We need reasonable gun control. The NRA is lying to you. Wake up.

[Shamash]

9. They aren't using it against me

Not a member, never been one, no plans to be one. I'll read their hunting magazines at the barber shop, but not giving them money to get a subscription.

I support the second amendment, just like I support the first amendment. And both should have reasonable restrictions. For example you are prohibited from yelling 'hijack' on a plane or 'fire' in a crowded theater. You can't tell someone you are going to kill them, without being arrested for harassment.

Never had anyone tell me I was not allowed to have certain words in my vocabulary, only that there were times and places where using those words was inappropriate.

As far as "reasonable gun control", just pick someone here who is a gun control advocate and ask them where their "I will never want more restrictions than this" line is. I tried to do that for magazine limits and got not a single answer from the entire DU gun control community. In fact, simply asking that sort of question was deemed insult-worthy.

So, when "reasonable gun control" being pushed at DU and elsewhere becomes "reasonable gun control" and stops being "more gun control than we currently have, regardless of how much we currently have", let me know.

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. This is the problem

Why not be part of the solution? Why not work together to come up with reasonable gun control rather than say, "let me know."

[Shamash]

14. I've tried to find compromise positions

I'm not a 2A absolutist by any means, but when the gun control community embraces with open arms people whose demand is "ban all gun ownership" and who consider all gun owners mass murder enablers (I could point out several examples here at DU), it is kind of hard to find a genuinely reasonable person to discuss genuinely reasonable gun laws with. They probably exist, but if they're at DU they are not showing themselves much.

So, the problem is not "working together", it is finding someone who doesn't treat all gun owners as rabid would-be killers who really ought to be locked up just for wanting to own one. I doubt there is a single RKBA person at DU who does not want to see less gun violence, fewer gun accidents and fewer gun suicides. But when it comes to how we approach the problem? We just don't think that the best way to deal with voting fraud is to ban voting.

But I'll make you a deal. Find me someone here at DU on the control side who is genuinely willing to compromise when it comes to gun laws, and he or she and I can post a joint story/discussion on the RKBA side of things (since I made one polite post over at Gun Control Reform Activism and got banned for it, we can't post it there).

[beevul]

4. This is why you guys lose.

Dear politicians: it is time for you to stand up to the NRA and their "rating" system and their threats of running you out of office of you don't allow them to continue to destroy our society for their personal gain.

10 thousand gun homicides, and 20 thousand gun suicides hardly "destroy our society", of country of 300 million.

Nobody...I mean NOBODY, believes that it does, except die hard anti-gunners.

Die hard anti-gun extremism is about as close to mainstream as the politics practiced by the westboro baptist church.

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. Are you kidding me?

How many times must we live through these mass murders before you will open your eyes. You are suggesting that mass murder is acceptable and will not destroy our society? What's a few thousand or so? My guess is the victims of this massacre and the next ones and the ones before them think differently than you do.

"die hard anti-gunners" "extremism" Your radical belief and personal selfishness is killing innocent people. Wake the fuck up. The NRA is a radical organization used by corporations to fool you into giving them money. The cost is too high.

[beevul]

8. Your the one that said "destroying society". not me.

You are suggesting that mass murder is acceptable and will not destroy our society?

Acceptable? No.

Is it destroying society? Of course not.

Your radical belief and personal selfishness is killing innocent people.

My radical beliefs? Please, tell me more about my beliefs which I have never expressed to you.

And personal selfishness? Please. The only people actually killing people, are those...who are actually killing people. The rest, not so much.

The NRA is a radical organization used by corporations to fool you into giving them money.

The civilian arms industry is rather small, as industries go. Making it out to be something other than that is rather laughable.



Fool me into giving money to whom?

The nra?

I haven't been a member of the nra since I was a much younger man and got a free 1 year membership as part of gun safety training instruction.


Gun manufacturers?

I haven't bought a gun in over ten years, and that one was not new, so manufacturers made nothing.

You extreme anti-gun types continue to fail to see the big picture:

America is a pro-gun nation. Read that over and over until it sinks in. A majority 74 percent last time I looked, support the second amendment as protecting an individual right. That leaves you and others who hate/fear/don't like guns, as a portion of the remaining 26%.

You DID read the sig on the OP right:

Sincerely, the Gun Grabbers of Merica.

Self identified as being out of the mainstream.

[HassleCat]

2. They're all in. Almost.

I quit the NRA shortly after Wayne LaPierre took over in the 1970s. Since then, they have become more and more resistant to any kind of sensible effort to keep guns away from nuts and goofballs. That's because so many of their members are the preppers, survivalists, secessionists, etc. who hide out in remote cabins and collect assault rifles. I was very surprised when one of their columnists suggested it might not be a good idea to push the open carry issue as far as walking into Chipotle with loaded assault rifles. Wow! Something almost rational from the NRA. You're right. They should be supporting expanded background checks, instead of pretending it will lead to confiscation, but they're stuck with the membership they have cultivated over the years with a campaign that scared away many of the more moderate members.

[sarisataka]

7. Good post

The NRA has on their roles, at best, 5% of gun owners. Even then there are some moderates hanging on.

Of the remaining 95% there is an even higher proportion of politically moderate, even leftist, gun owners. If half of those could be engaged they would outnumber NRA members by nearly 10:1. Any gun control measure with that support would be unstoppable.

So why doesn't that happen- many reasons. A few I can see are "all gun owners have blood on there hands", "you've all enabled this", "the only reason to own a gun is you want to kill", "gun ownership and racism go hand in hand", "small penis gun-humper" and signing open letters "Sincerely, the Gun Grabbers of Merica."

What advantage do those 95% have throwing their lot in with a movement that hates them as much as the actual murderers? The fear of some gun prohibition will pass? The NRA is effectively blocking all gun control efforts, so the 95% merely has to not do anything.

They are appalled at the violence but the choice is between two groups of fanatics. There is no lesser evil option.

Rarely a gun control measure comes up that is so good it engages that block; those nearly always pass.

[LAGC]

11. Hmm... 20 dead first graders and we couldn't even get universal background checks passed.

Yeah, I don't think the "Gun Grabbers of Merica" are going to be solving this problem anytime soon.

[Eleanors38]

13. I think #2 & #7 are good posts to consider...

Most everyone in the "Gungeon" supports some form of BG check. I propsed grants-in-aid nearly 3 yrs ago to be distributed to schools to use for better securing them. One religious leader in Charleston -- who opposes guns in church -- is proposing greater security for churches. Though he gave no specifics, his voice needs to be heard. The well for political discussion has for now been indeed poisoned. IMO, when a prohibitionist model of political change is employed, it gravitates inexorably toward extremism

[alarimer]

12. Dear NRA: You are a menace to society

And your members are scum.

[hifiguy]

15. I have one thing to say to the NRA

and their cretinous ammosexual followers: