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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:12 PM Jun 2015

"I am not a scientist, but...".

One of my colleagues is an extremely serious meteorology geek, and has been since childhood. He thinks that, while the earth is slowly warming, the rate at which it is is significantly lower than most predictions. He has reams of charts that he says support this position, and he clearly understands what he is talking about.

I think that this is entirely legitimate - most of the people who know what they're talking about disagree with him, but some don't, and silencing the ones who don't is a very dangerous road to go down, and he's in a position to have an informed opinion about which are right and which are wrong.



The pope has just weighed in to the climate change debate to say that yes, it's a serious problem that something needs to be done about, despite the fact that he's very much not a climatologist and doesn't know more about the issue than any other lay person.

I think that this is entirely legitimate. He may not understand the science, but he can point to the fact that his opinion is supported by a large majority of those who do. Occasionally a large majority of the experts in a scientific field are wrong, but much more often they're right, and one should definitely bet that way.



What drives me wild with rage is people - especially senior Republican leaders - who say "I am not a scientist, but..." and then proceed to question global warming.

It's entirely reasonable for a minority of experts to claim that the majority of experts is wrong, and set out reasons why. It's not reasonable for a non-expert to assert that a (small) minority of experts is right and the (large) majority is wrong, when they have no way of judging right and wrong in that field except by listening to the experts.

Either make the considerable effort to become an expert in a subject yourself, or defer to the judgement of those who have.

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"I am not a scientist, but...". (Original Post) Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 OP
First it was, "Global warming doesn't exist" AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #1
The only correct reply. amb123 Jun 2015 #2
I would phrase it as "Then listen to those who are". N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #6
Yes. amb123 Jun 2015 #9
Yep. As Neil deGrasse Tyson observed, hifiguy Jun 2015 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #3
That's not actually true. Comforting, but not true. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #7
"I'm not a scientist" means "I'm not some weird over-educated liberal egghead- I'm just a common NBachers Jun 2015 #4
All beside the point HassleCat Jun 2015 #5
"I am not a scientist, but..." rock Jun 2015 #8
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
1. First it was, "Global warming doesn't exist"
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

Then it was, "The causes are natural". Now it's, "I'm not a scientist".

My prediction is that the next evolution of their rhetoric will be, "Why bother doing anything about it? It's too late to stop it".

No matter what, they will be against doing anything about it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Yep. As Neil deGrasse Tyson observed,
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

the wonderful thing about science is that it works, whether you believe in it or not.

The scientific method may be the single greatest achievement of the human species.

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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
7. That's not actually true. Comforting, but not true.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jun 2015

A large majority of those who know what they're talking about agree that human contributions to climate change are a serious problem, but within that majority there's a great deal of disagreement about pretty much every detail, and there are some people who definitely aren't nutjobs who outright disagree, albeit not that many.

Using made-up numbers like "97%" (97% of who think what, and how do you know?) doesn't really help. And "ambivalent scientists have no place in this important issue" is the kind of thing conservatives like to accuse liberals of thinking, but thankfully most of us don't.

Incidentally, welcome to DU.

NBachers

(17,117 posts)
4. "I'm not a scientist" means "I'm not some weird over-educated liberal egghead- I'm just a common
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jun 2015

folksy person tryin' to get along, just like you."

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
5. All beside the point
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015

The climate change debate seems to center on whether or not we can prove it's happening, whether or not we can determine how fast it's happening, and whether or not human activity is a driving force. This debate could go on forever. In the mean time, there are things we could be doing that (1) reduce our carbon footprint, (2) improve our environment and quality of life, (3) provide jobs, and (4) don't cost very much.

rock

(13,218 posts)
8. "I am not a scientist, but..."
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

Yes, being a scientist's butt does not really qualify the repiggies to have an informed opinion, and, of course, being uninformed is their strong point.

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