The unemployed high school drop out thug punk of a racist scumbag

[malaise]

told police he deliberately chose Mother Emanuel AME because of its historical significance to the African American community
Seven magazines -said it had to be done because if he didn't do it no one would.

What level of hate does it take to slaughter six women and three men.

Think about it - he is everything they came up with to caricature young black men.

I am not in the forgiving camp. Forgive my ass!!

[etherealtruth]

1. The juxtaposition between him and the good folk he sllaughtered is amazing

all of the dead were highly intelligent, successful, productive members of society ... and by all accounts really outstanding human beings .... and then we have the murderous low-life vermin.

It is sickening

[malaise]

5. Isn't that irony on steroids

He tore up their own playbook.

[bettyellen]

33. Wow, yes. In all my grief that never occurred to me. So true and important to consider!

[malaise]

46. I am never grieving to the point that I don't make the

political connections.

[heaven05]

49. got that right

[bettyellen]

58. I finally had the courage to look at the profiles of the people and read more details Friday....

And I feel just dumbstruck with grief. I am not a person of faith, but reading about the victims and then hearing their family and survivors statements last night- just hit so very hard. I'm still stunned today by the love in that community, by their pain.

[malaise]

97. etherealtruth nailed it

all of the dead were highly intelligent, successful, productive members of society ... and by all accounts really outstanding human beings .... and then we have the murderous low-life vermin.

[ChazII]

100. The word thug has his picture beside the definition

and vermin is also an accurate description.

[Mojorabbit]

125. I am so with you there. Well said. nt

[cui bono]

130. Exactly.

SMH

[JanMichael]

2. that is proof of this being a terror act. just like mcveigh it was on purpose.

he isnt insane he is a terrorist that commited an act 9f terrorism

[malaise]

48. Yep - he will never again drive a car or sleep in his own bed

He won't be heading for Nashville again (that's where he said he was heading).

[yeoman6987]

3. I don't think it is up to us to forgive him

If the victims want to that is up to them and none of our business. Only the 9 families involved can forgive or not forgive.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. More than 9 families were victims.

[Igel]

13. Depends on what you think forgiveness is and if there's a need for it.

If you make a pretense at Xianity, the rule is that "if you have anything against your brother" you have to forgive him. If not now, then later; there's no real immediate enforcement mechanism.

A lot of people have "something" against Roof, and for good reason. He killed 9 people who'd done nothing especially worthy of death, and that's an outrage against morality and principle. For some, it's more personal: The problem is he killed 9 people like themselves in some way meaningful to them--Americans, African-American, Democrats, Xians.... Or others, it's even more personal: An attack on one of their race or ethnic group is an attack against the entire race or ethnic group, something some are conditioned and trained into believing must be true. (In some cultures that would provoke a feud, with the need to kill 9 of his group to even the score, possibly with more as punishment.)

Forgiveness at the personal level, however, does not mean no law enforcement at the institutional level. (That's my particular way of squaring the circle, of connecting classical population movements with current physical and social culture.)

[backscatter712]

22. I'm not a Christian. I do not forgive him.

I want that neo-Nazi piece of shit to suffer to his dying day.

Scumbags like him make my country suck.

[Plucketeer]

34. I'm with you.

"Accidents" can be forgiven. This young misfit is not eligible. Of course, there's the camp that'll worry whether or not the execution drugs might cause him some discomfort!

[blm]

19. HORSESH!T - unsurprising HORSESH!T

He sent this nation a message and you don't like our replies to him and his KIND.

"None of our business" till the next one, and, let's add, "Not the time to bring up guns or racism issues", according to those who live on the same political page as Roof, eh?

Your reply is unsurprising. In fact, it's expected.

[yeoman6987]

31. Hey you can put your nose in everything. That's your choice

If only you would show your support in Everything.....not shocked at all though.

[blm]

87. Read enough of your posts to dismiss your 'concern'

.

[blm]

91. LOLOLOL.

As if we don't know the game. Gee…never saw this game before, here….nope….not in 14 years.

[yeoman6987]

93. You were just complaining about seeing advertisements

For NRA and all you need to do is support DU and they disappear. 14 years is a long time to see advertisements you supposedly disagree with. It is very easy to change but only you can.

[blm]

95. You are welcome to point out the complaint you claim I made. Care to make a bet

Ms ASSUMPTION?

You don't think enough members know me here to know what game you're trying to play?

[yeoman6987]

96. Interesting.....didn't get the point. Figures.

Ok. You go and spread lies about me without proof and I was trying to help you support our website. I was being nice. You were not being nice to me as typical.

[blm]

99. I got it - I also noted you lied to make a CLASSLESS point.

Last edited Sat Jun 20, 2015, 06:12 PM - Edit history (1)

You don't KNOW the dynamic here over the last 14 years, yet, you ASSUME you do and wrongly ASSUME that a donation is good cover.

DU don't play like that.

[yeoman6987]

102. So you are putting words in my mouth? Wow. Ok. You are ASSUMING I meant that.

[blm]

107. Show me where I was complaining about advertisements like you said.

You can't, because you LIED to try and make a classless point.

[yeoman6987]

119. Again Assumptions

[blm]

120. Yeah…YOURS. Put up or shut up.

.

[JI7]

114. yup

it's so fucking clear

[heaven05]

50. really?

not true, in any respect.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. Neo-Nazis, white supremists

The problem is that evil scumbag Roof is not alone. There's more of them out there.

[malaise]

6. Isn't that the truth

Obama is correct - racism is a blight.

[freshwest]

128. I've been telling people for years to not laugh these scum off. Don't mock them. Step on them! n/t

[Archae]

10. Something I noticed about racists caught or killed after commiting murder...

99.9999% of the time, they are losers, dropouts, low-paying jobs (if they even HAVE a job,) and little real education.

[alarimer]

117. Yes, if we are going to racially profile anyone, it should be this group.

18-24 year old white guys with little prospects who spend most of their time on racist websites. Or Reddit, which I am sure had many, many individuals like this. I'm convinced there is an intersection between white supremacists, GamerGaters and MRA's.

[1939]

134. I would profile him based on the eyes NT

[brush]

65. Yeah, there are web sites full of hatred indoctrinating more of these creeps and . . .

putting violent ideas in their heads.

Sorry to say it . . . no not sorry, cops need to start profiling these easily influence 20-something, white males who always are the ones doing these mass shootings. Then again the Columbine creeps were teens and the apartment dweller that shot the 3 college students was a 40-something.

Maybe the cops need to start profiling . . .

[Quackers]

7. This is one of the reasons I still support the death penalty.

He should be executed for his crimes. I know others will disagree but in my opinion, this is a death penalty case.

[malaise]

9. No more violence

I will never support the death penalty.

[Little Star]

15. I hear you malaise but....

after reading/hearing about supermax prisons I think the DP may be more humane. I've always been against the DP but after hearing about life in a supermax I just don't know anymore.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-supermax-prison/

Color me now confused.

[HERVEPA]

12. And that will accomplish exactly what?

[Quackers]

14. Protecting society as a whole. nt

[HERVEPA]

17. Protecting society from what???

[Quackers]

18. Really?

What could this person possibly do to others in our society? He's obviously just misunderstood!

[HERVEPA]

21. He'll be in prison for the rest of his life.

What's so hard to understand about that?

[Quackers]

23. What's to stop him from killing black men in prison?

What has he got to lose? Give him another life sentence? He poses a significant threat to others.

[HERVEPA]

26. Yeh, that's real likely.

[Quackers]

55. You're right, no one would dare to try and kill black men in prison.

Oh wait.......

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/protests-explode-after-kkk-plot-kill-black-men-florida-prison-exposed

Well, at least this new mass murderer isn't part of a hate group that wants black people dead......

[Logical]

39. Bullshit! nt

[heaven05]

52. nothing bullshit about

him killing POC in prison, especially since we don't hear much about the different gangs in prison. The black gangs, the latinos, the white supremacists. No bullshit about that either. Probably some asian gangs in there also.

[Quackers]

59. +1

[Logical]

76. Read about the innocence project and get back with me. nt

[heaven05]

82. get back to you for what?

I stand by what I said.

[Logical]

104. LOL, too lazy to google it I assume. Here you go. Read and learn.......

Number of DNA Exonerations - 330
Average Number of Years Served - 14
Number of Real Perpetrators Found - 140

Astonishingly, more than 1 out of 4 people wrongfully convicted but later exonerated by DNA evidence made a false confession or incriminating statement.

Twenty people have been proven innocent and exonerated by DNA testing in the United States after serving time on death row. They were convicted in 12 states and served a combined 289 years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

[heaven05]

108. No relationship

but nice try. I ask you what I asked someone else. I speak from experience of the last 50 years of fighting the dylaan, the racist animal, roofs of this country. While I applaud that innocence project, what have you personally had to face because of your privileged position in a society geared to give you every advantage? Don't try distracting or obfuscating with bullshit as you have so far, answer the question. Dime a dozen and I've seen a lot of dozens this week. I'm through with your silly game, no merit to it.

[Logical]

118. In other words, you got nothing! I doubt innocent people is really a concern of yours! Nt

[heaven05]

124. I asked a serious question of you

you can't answer which is all the answer I need from you. Your work is honorable and principled, I would never DENY that.

[awoke_in_2003]

61. Locking him up for life

protects society. We do not have to become an animal to deal with one.

[Quackers]

67. But it doesn't.

More than likely, he will try to kill more black men in prison. He can't be punished anymore than having life in prison. He has nothing to lose.

But let's look at it from a humanitarian prospective too. Your compassion says that we should not end his life because all life is important. How humane is it to lock a person in a cage knowing they will never get out, for the rest of their existence? Isn't the very idea of that cruel and unusual?

[EL34x4]

28. He will be sentenced to death, without a doubt.

He told investigators that he almost got cold feet because the people in the church were so nice to him, but he went through with his murderous rampage anyways.

That tells the jury that he knew what he was doing was wrong, thought it over for a few moments, and started pulling the trigger killing 9 innocent people who had never done any harm to him.

There's people on death row for far less heinous offenses. How can a society that permits the death penalty spare Dylann Roof this punishment? They won't.

[Logical]

38. LOL, which means you have not spent 30 minutes researching or thinking about it. nt

[heaven05]

57. neither have you

evidently. May roof die screaming in pain.

[Logical]

77. LOL, you are a true liberal. nt

[heaven05]

84. if by true liberal, you mean

someone who will put down, metaphorically, socially, lethally, any racist if they attack me, you're right. Look you won't hurt my feelings or shame me because I'm not like you and know what must be done to a rabid animal and will do it. You're only fooling with yourself. LOL

[cui bono]

132. You are out of control. Dial it back. n/t

[heaven05]

135. No I'm not

roof was out of control and so are all his KKK, stormfront, confederate flag revering racists and bundyite cohorts. You dial it back. I meant what I wrote, I still do and will till he's dead.

[heaven05]

136. geez, no clue

to a feeling that no human being has the right to commit terrorist acts that kill people and doesn't deserve to die. I am speaking of defending myself against animals like roof and the rest out there in society who would kill based on some skewed and superficial ideology that wants to make supremacy of a skin color the criteria to kill ALL those not of their skin color. Give me a break and turn your dial OFF. The noise is aggravating.

[malaise]

98. Is that nt

or NOT

[cui bono]

131. wtf... take it back a notch or two.

Or a thousand.

Wishing anyone to be tortured and executed is not what we are supposed to be about here.

SMH.

[Quackers]

62. Researching it? I've had to do it and I don't take it lightly!

I am 32 and I've taken life before. I know exactly what it is like. I know very well the consequences of my decisions. Just as this guy knew the consequences of his decision to kill those people. In my opinion, that should be the death penalty.

[Logical]

78. LOL......

"I've taken life before" please explain!

About one person a year are released from death row because they are innocent.

I am sure you are clueless on this topic.

But revenge is your emotion, not logic.

[Quackers]

83. Based on your responses to me and others in this thread, it's clear you're just wanting to troll.

I won't waste anymore time on you.

[heaven05]

85. best thing to do

with these types that feel they always have the high ground and don't. I salute you!...welcome to DU....

[Quackers]

103. Thank you

[Quackers]

11. I respect that

Again, it's just my opinion. And for me, the death penalty isn't about revenge or violence. It's about protecting society as a whole. Some people are too far gone to rehabilitate. And even if he could be rehabilitated, how would that affect the families of his victims? If you say give him life in prison, what's the point? As strange as it sounds, I think the death penalty is more humane than life in prison.

[Little Star]

20. I agree with you about the DP being...

more humane. I also think that people are kept in supermax too long while awaiting death because it's so inhumane inside there. Yet many people have been proven innocent due in part because they were given that long time period. Lets face it, I'm just against supermax prisons because of the total inhumane treatment.

[Logical]

79. Except for innocent people on death row. nt

[MoonRiver]

16. I want that scum to spend the rest of his sorry life in jail,

contemplating what he did to his victims. Rot in jail, you POS.

[backscatter712]

24. Supermax his ass.

He should have nothing to talk to except the four walls of his cell. Leave him there to his dying day, long past the time where he started talking to those four walls, and they started talking back...

[MoonRiver]

53. Agreed. THAT would be true justice for this scum of the earth.

[City Lights]

25. May the scumbag live a long, miserable life in a jail cell. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

42. ^^^This!^^^

Until he starts hallucinating and they have to put him in restraints.

[CBGLuthier]

27. I do not forgive but I also do not hate.

I do not want to spend the last 30 years of my life full of hatred. Where do we stop? There will always be more like him and more tragedies until we leave this world for good. America has cast its lot with death and hating the individual in a system biased towards hatred, death, and bigotry is tiring.

[Glassunion]

35. Forgiveness can be cleansing for the victims

It's hard to forgive. But, it can be a great step in recovery and closure. It's easier not to forgive and hold on to the anger. But the great strength it takes to forgive is to me a great trait of character and grace.

[ChazII]

101. Your words are words of wisdom

and your last sentence is one that I will try to practice.

[freshwest]

129. Do you find a difference between forgiving and forgetting? Serious question.

Because I foregive those who have wronged or cause great harm to me or others without any cause but their own spite or ambition ('for they have their reward') but I don't forget and allow them a second chance without a lot of supervision.

[valerief]

29. I'm with you, malaise! nt

[packman]

30. Ever wonder why Republicans are so endeared to the Death Penalty?

It saves money. At the cost of incarceration being compared to an education at an ivy league school, it makes sense to the Repukes to be in favor of the DP. Besides , it plays well to the conservative blood and circus mind.

[Logical]

40. Death penalty does not save money. nt

[packman]

47. On googling "Death penalty vs. life terms"

You are right. Appears the costs of appeals, lawyers, etc. on death penalty decisions drive up the costs to almost a factor of 10.

[Logical]

80. I was shocked how much it costs to finally get to the death penalty. nt

[1939]

111. It would if the sentence was follwed by execution within 24 hours NT

[Logical]

116. Sure I see no problems with that considering about one person a year....

Is let off of death row

[PCIntern]

32. No forgiveness here either...

I'm not going to comment further...what I have to say would be construed by some as irreligious and vindictive, and I'm in no mood for one of THOSE arguments after this catastrophe.

[bonniebgood]

36. He told police 'he deliverately chose Mother Emanuel AME becasue of its

Historical significance to the African American community;? Please we are talking about a high school drop-out who probably can't read or write. Would a racist terrorist to the core use the words African American Community? Who believes what the police says anyway. The police that came up with this 'he said' are probably a member in the same hate group.
All this crap about his motives is nothing more than planting evidence in the public's mind that he acted alone. This MF should be waterboarded, and made to tell who his associations are. I certainly hopes the justice department gets to the bottom of this.

[malaise]

45. He was a good student until ninth grade

Don't be fooled.
Torture and the death penalty are against my convictions.

[muriel_volestrangler]

89. No, torture is not the answer here, for many reasons

It does not produce reliable answers, just what a terrified victim thinks the torturers want to hear. It puts the state into the role of criminal. It encourages people, justifiably, to call the state the enemy. It's against the law and constitution. There's no urgency. He is already talking, apparently freely, to the police. They can investigate his background in the normal way.

Waterboarding him is the worst suggestion I've heard in this whole affair. It's worse than the people suggesting that it might not have been about race.

[lunasun]

37. Had an arrest record 'No saint' im not hearing So how come he is a" mixed up kid" ?He is 21

Innocent shooting victims like 17 yr old Trayvon Martin got dragged though the mud

[malaise]

41. Dragging through the mud is reserved for folks

with that 'mud color' - don't yah know that???

[heaven05]

64. also not hearing thug,

evil, his kind and the groups he revers being a threat to the black community, men women and children. I wouldn't be surprised if another Rosewood massacre wasn't being cooked up somewhere in this beloved land of ours.....in some sick GROUP of dylaan roofs.

[Surya Gayatri]

43. Hammer meet nail!

'Think about it - he is everything they came up with to caricature young black men'.

But, hell will be sub-zero before you'll get them to acknowledge that fact, much less to admit it.

[jwirr]

44. However, we may think that they should not have forgiven him but in the scheme of things who

stands tall in this picture? The Rs are acting like idiots in their denials. But those families rose above the hatred. As they said "Hate is not going to win." And in their forgiveness hate lost because everyone watching was amazed and fully understood who was superior in this situation.

I do not think I could have done that but they had the strength to live their beliefs. These families are leaders.

[malaise]

63. They are amazing folks

on that we agree - way better than me.

[jwirr]

69. Better than me to. I am very proud of them. Notice how they defused the "race war"?

[3catwoman3]

106. Way better than me, as well, if the standard...

...to be met is forgiveness for acts that, IMO, are unforgivable. I would not have it within me.

[jwirr]

137. I don't think they are talking about forgiveness in the sense of letting him get by with what he did

I understand forgiveness to be about my feelings. The killer will still have to face charges and probably the death sentence. Forgiveness never keeps one from facing the consequences of his actions. Instead forgiveness lets the victims families know that the killer did not succeed in bringing them down to his level of hate.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. They just found a website full of pictures of him

I got a NYT breaking and posted on LBN - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141122744

The website was apparently registered under his name.

[malaise]

56. My gun, my flag, my flowers

WTFF???

I only want to know who took all the photos.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Either the (literal) hoods he hangs around with

or he staged them with a tripod or similar.

Edit to add what came to mind to me was that hard rock group "Guns N' Roses", where apparently they had some nasty controversy with their lead singer and some of the songs.

[JHB]

86. Most of them look like he could have used a tripod & timer

No one else appears with him on any of the photos from the site.

Planntation pictures, confederate flag-waving, and neoNazi numerology, him burning one U.S. flag and stepping on another one.

But "we'll never know what drove him so do something like this".

[MADem]

122. You can download a timer app for taking photos.

I wouldn't be surprised if he took that one himself, by propping his iPhone up against something and setting the timer.

The angle looks a bit low for a photographer....

[Takket]

94. when will the media start callnig him a "thug"

if a black man was photographed holding a gun like that, they'd be calling him a thug, so why not this thug?

[BumRushDaShow]

115. Or

the black man with a gun would be a "thuggish 'gang banger'".

[MADem]

123. Too mild. He's a terrorist. nt

[cheapdate]

54. +1

[Jamastiene]

60. PLUS, he had a SOLID HOUR to change his mind on murdering all of

those innocent people. He even went so far as to say he almost did not do it because they were so nice to him. That is some SERIOUS HATRED that he acknowledged how kind they were to him, spent an hour with them, then slaughtered them anyhow. That is one cold-hearted hatemonger.

[malaise]

73. And then some

Wonder if he still feels that way - too fugging late for this hater.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. He's the product of the Right Wing noise machine.

[heaven05]

68. true

but hard to admit by some here. He didn't end up where he is without help.....Main Sham Media and others.

[blm]

121. He parroted them believing Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and hundreds of other GOP lawmakers were

being honest when they were 'warning' their voters about the 'takeover' of 'their' country by the black guy in the WH.

[LittleBlue]

70. Human trash

When they execute him he will burn in hell

[A HERETIC I AM]

105. Not necessarily

If you believe that then you likely believe in repentance.

Great thing Christianity has going.

Do ANYTHING you want except one thing, and as long as you say the magic words, you get to spend an eternity in paradise.

Pretty cool, eh?


Oh, BTW, the only unforgivable sin?

Blasphemy. I'm not worried though.

It's all nonsense anyway. When he's dead he be dead

[The Jungle 1]

71. Just put him in prison general population and let's us be done with it.

[lunasun]

88. the citizens of Charleston should bear the justice to him

I am assuming that is what you meant

[Lifelong Protester]

74. Put him in prison for life

Can't imagine what would possibly happen to a racist thug. In prison.

[tblue37]

75. An excellent commentary article on

The Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/19/charleston-lesson-black-americans-live-with-terrorism-all-the-time.html

CHARLESTON LESSON: BLACK AMERICANS LIVE WITH TERRORISM ALL THE TIME
BY BARRETT HOLMES PITNER 06.19.1511:15 AM ET

<SNIP>

"He was big into segregation and other stuff. He said he wanted to start a civil war,” said Roof’s roommate Dalton Tyler. “[He’d been] planning something like that for six months.”

John Mullins, a former classmate of Roof, told the Daily Beast that Roof “had that kind of Southern pride, I guess some would say. Strong conservative beliefs. He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.” Essentially, according to Mullins and Tyler, condoned racism is a natural extension of white Southern pride.

The views of Roof still align with those of a rebel faction that was intent on fracturing America and oppressing black Americans. When he drove by the capital building and saw the Confederate flag, he received encouragement for his bigotry. When he made racist jokes, or discussed starting a civil war, no one severely reprimanded him or told him that those views are not tolerated <emphasis added>. He was given a handgun for his 21st birthday, and no one around him could imagine that he could use his bigotry and newly acquired ability to kill to inflict terror upon those he hates.

The African American community knew that this was a recipe for disaster, and they also know that the more they discuss injustices and the more they fight for equality, the greater likelihood that terror will befall them. My family was saddened and distraught by the shooting at Emanuel AME, but they were not shocked. We, and countless other black Americans, have lived through generations of terror <emphasis added>.

<SNIP>

Edited to add bold and to correct the mess I made in my attempt to copy-paste part of the article while on my 7" Nook tablet.

[malaise]

92. Thanks tblue37

Good read

[GeorgeGist]

81. People in abusive relationships often forgive ...

their abusers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. I will just take issue with the word thug

he is a terrorist.

Semantics, I know.

[malaise]

110. LOL

Looks like I left out one critical word

[A HERETIC I AM]

112. You left a couple words out of the title line.

"Tiny dicked"

This guy was disturbed in part because a black guy started dating a girl he fancied.

"You're raping our women"


Yeah..... Small dick, no doubt about it

[malaise]

113. This title could grow to infinity

[Jamastiene]

138. Dude is a liar too.

It's not called rape when she chose to date the black guy over his loser ass. It's called going out with the guy she really wanted to go out with.

All sorts of things are wrong with that guy's warped views. Whoever the woman was, she's lucky. Her life would have been horrid with someone as awful as him.

[bluestateguy]

126. He was a loser who accomplished nothing, and was going nowhere in life

The one thing he had in life, he believed, was that he was a WHITE MAN.

That's the only thing he had in life. Pathetic.

[freshwest]

127. Did you see this? The brat had everything. I should live so well. Pictures of his home and area:

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/racism/here-is-dylann-roofs-complete-disturbing-manifesto-filled-with-right-wing-rhetoric-images/

Good lord, I'd feel so privileged if I lived like that. The kid had what only great wealth can buy.

What is with these people?

They have what most dream of having, like that suburban scum that went to town and ran over that factory worker.

What the fuck do they want?

As the fly on the wall, I have heard various incarnations of his rants for over fifty years. They used to be stomped on hard by the law, society, media. Now they get to organize (Faux News, GOP, Tea Party, 2nd Amendment Solutionists, militias, Bundies,. etc, etc.) and act out what was once called terrorism and organized crime.

Because that is what it is, since it's not longer First Amendment, but planning genocide.

Yes, there's stochastic terrorism in effect here - but also a lack of education and the will to do what is right and show respect.

There he was, with the people he despised, who gave him love and still forgave him.

He is scum. They are angels.

Burn the Confederate flag this coming Saturday to start to tell these jackasses that his and their sick mentality is no longer going to be accepted.

And America can never, ever, take the boot off the neck of these murderous groups. The Europeans learned. We had learned for a while, too.

And this is all being done to install a RWNJ government which will oppress all people. 'What goers around, comes around.'

[cui bono]

133. Forgiveness isn't about the people you are forgiving, it's about the person doing

the forgiving. It's letting go of the negativity you hold inside you so you can move on. It doesn't mean you excuse what they've done.

Just as we can't let him off the hood as 'mentally ill' we can't just say he was an asshole racist without understanding how a human being who is born innocent learns to become such an ugly soul full of hatred. He is a product of his society, so while what he did was truly horrendous, other people made him learn to be that way. So if it helps the survivors deal with what happened by forgiving him and understanding that he became that way for a reason they should forgive him. And all of us should work to eradicate the circumstances that caused him to become that way.

I'm not religious by any means and I feel horrible about what happened and am not trying to diminish it in any way. In fact, I think that looking beyond this individual person and examining all the reasons he grew up to be how he was is more beneficial and constructive than holding onto the anger against just him.

I hope this isn't coming across the wrong way... it's difficult to speak about these things when emotions are running high.