Same old, same old.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

:- High-profile mass murder committed with firearms (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Newtown, Charleston, etc, etc).

:- Gun control advocates: "let's restrict access to firearms, so that things like this happen more rarely".

:- Gun rights advocates: "We have enough votes in Congress to stop you".

:- Gun control advocates: "Oh".

Rinse, repeat.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Rinse and repeat til we remove enough gun rights advocates votes from Congress.

The push after a mass murder should not be simply to pass some legislation, but to make a big stink about the people blocking it in Congress in their own districts and states. To find the outraged RW voters who voted in those bozos, but are appalled by the massacre, and get them to electorally turn against them in the next elections, with a reminder campaign just before the elections.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

2. I can sum up the problem with that in one word: gerrymandering.

My understanding is that there is essentially zero chance of that happening before 2020, and that it's unlikely the 2020-2030 period will be much better.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Reread my post.

I'm not advocating getting more Dems to vote. I'm saying go specifically after REPUBLICAN voters who are pissed at their elected officials' response to such a massacre. They can't 'gerrymander' Republicans out of their districts and still win.

[Travis_0004]

7. The senate doesn't have the votes to pass gun control either

You can not blame that on gerrymandering.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

9. No, but I'm not certain the Democrats won't take the Senate back.

If I had to place money, I think I'd bet on the Democrats taking the Senate in 2016, but losing it again in 2018, (obviously I'm far from confident of either of those).

But the House looks like it will be an insurmountable obstacle to just about all federal-lead progressive measures until 2020 at the earliest.

[babylonsister]

3. There has got to be some way to

hold the NRA accountable. I wish I knew how.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

5. What makes you think that.

I don't think that there is one.

It's regrettable that there isn't, but regrettable has nothing to do with untrue.

[HereSince1628]

6. HSD and FBI are really interested in suveillance capability...

I suspect that's what will emerge...

enhanced surveillance that provides information that leads to people control rather than gun control.

I suspect pushes for more electronic surveillance on hate group activity would have little resistance from either party.

[oneshooter]

8. Do you agree with this poster?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026869796#post7

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. Yes. N.T.

[Cosmocat]

13. Ugh ... YEAH

I said at the time nothing was coming from Sandy Hook.

We are THAT fucked in this country.

[Wounded Bear]

11. Hear! Hear!

Typical bullshit Right up there with the old "Now is not the time to go there" fuckfest of a deflection.

The old "well bad people will always get guns" crap defies a simple point of logic. It is FAR easier to get guns illegally in a country with 200-300 million of them, than a country with only 10-20 million of them. Among the sad facts about US gun culture is that people are discouraged and in some ways even prevented from actually determining any meaningful statistics about the problem. Nobody knows how many guns are out there, and crime statistics involving gun use can be disturbingly difficult to mine.

Shit, the fucking Senate refused to vote on a Surgeon General because he had the temerity to suggest that perhaps we should address the medical aspects of thousands of people getting shot every year because, well freedumb or something.

I have open carry gun nuts in my family. They don't make me more comfortable. Not at all.

[Cosmocat]

12. After Sandy Hook,people were all sure it was going to change

I was 100 percent certain nothing would happen.

But, the house and kids tuition no it sure.

I had my conservative inlaws going out buying assault weapons because they were so sure there was going to be some kind of law getting rid of them, I told them nothing was going to come from it. Hell, it MADE MONEY for jackass gun makers.

My liberal and progressive friends were all sure something was going to change ...

I told them nothing was happening.

Had that conversation here, people didn't want to accept it, it was a game changer.

Of course, nothing even came close to happening.

We are THAT fucking far gone.

If that didn't move the needle one iota, what will?