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sheshe2

(83,969 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:59 PM Jun 2015

A Tale of Two Worlds...White F**King Privilege and Racism.

Charleston



As I said on the Tweet Machine, I wasn’t going to post this ‘On This Day’ photo because of the horror of Charleston, but then…. it’s imagery like this, of our wonderful *black* First Couple, that drives the bigots insane.

So, **** them:

Our President.

Our First Lady.

Endless love for them.

Charleston



More Here. The reality.


LEFT
?@LeftSentThis

No hoodies
No toy guns
No breathing
No listening to music at a gas station
No asking for help after a car accident
No praying at church

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TheObamaDiary.com
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A protective hand and a bulletproof vest for the mass murderer.

A murderous choke-hold for the cigarette seller.




More http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/18/charleston/

I have felt hollow all day. This has to stop.

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A Tale of Two Worlds...White F**King Privilege and Racism. (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2015 OP
kick and rec BainsBane Jun 2015 #1
You know. I think we all should start calling out people when they use Maraya1969 Jun 2015 #2
I don't really know Bains. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #3
Those are good ideas JonLP24 Jun 2015 #6
All these - and police on foot patrols. calimary Jun 2015 #12
I like this. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #20
By never stop spreading the word that there is only one race, the human one Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #5
We are all brothers and sisters. Well said. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #7
After I posted I read my last line, I had the thought. Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #8
Absolutely - we all must help each other! Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #9
In light of current events, my comment feels frivolous. 3catwoman3 Jun 2015 #4
From the very first. In the 2008 campaign there were some pics of them waiting in the wings... Hekate Jun 2015 #10
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #11
Dylann Roof is not "them", whereas black people are to the white people AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #13
white privilege ... napkinz Jun 2015 #14
... sheshe2 Jun 2015 #21
I know :( napkinz Jun 2015 #24
back atcha. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #25
Thank you sheshe. brer cat Jun 2015 #15
I know, still hollow today. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #18
Friday watching the family member speak just killed me. bettyellen Jun 2015 #27
kick napkinz Jun 2015 #16
That makes me so incredibly sad napkinz. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #22
... napkinz Jun 2015 #23
Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #17
K&R nt onehandle Jun 2015 #19
kick napkinz Jun 2015 #26

Maraya1969

(22,507 posts)
2. You know. I think we all should start calling out people when they use
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jun 2015

those little veiled racist comments. How many people have brought up in conversation the "blacks commit more crimes" bullshit. I'm just going to start saying, "It's too bad that your understanding of statistics is still so simpleminded"

And maybe I will just start saying things like, "That sounds racist. Is there something wrong with you"

Because these fuckers are the sick ones. They are the dumb ones.

sheshe2

(83,969 posts)
3. I don't really know Bains.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:49 AM
Jun 2015

A start, we need AG's on this to investigate corruption in the PD's. They need to prosecute. I have read that it is not easy because the corrupt police are policing themselves. We need outside investigations.

As I said in your Op we need to demilitarize the police and our citizens. No one needs an arsenal. No one.

We need to sit down and have a conversation. Communities need to talk and they need to listen to the concerns of PoC.

I posted an Op tonight, for the most part unread. Well actually it sunk. We need to teach our children far better values and ideals than some of us have in the past. Children are not born racist. They are taught it. I don't know how to change the ones corrupted. My hope is that we can find a way to not corrupt anymore.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. Those are good ideas
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:57 AM
Jun 2015

Particularly with #3.

Thomas J. Martinelli, a professor with Wayne State, wrote a series of articles on unconstitutional policing -- "noble cause corruption" which police brutality or more is a symptom of the same sickness -- getting away with breaking the law. He explains the problem well and how it develops & what he recommends

The policing profession attracts, among others, a certain type of individual: authoritative and responsible, one with leadership skills, who acts on behalf of others, with a high disregard for his or her own well being. Some academics suggest police applicants have a preconception of the profession-the noble cause-that makes them stand out as promising prospects. This preconceived notion is a profound moral commitment to make the world safer.3

Police corruption, traditionally, has been defined as the following:

"a misuse of authority by a police officer for personal gain,"4

"accepting money or money's worth to provide a service they are duty bound to provide,"5 or

"physical, psychological or legal abuse used by police."6

A recent survey demonstrated that officers felt corruption for personal gain was a much more serious charge than engaging in corrupt behavior that appears "to benefit society at large."7 This sub cultural value system rationalizes constitutional rights violations.

Officers do not normally define "a bending of the rules for a greater good" as misconduct or as corruption; rather, they rationalize that such behavior is part of the job description, in a utilitarian sense, to get the criminals off the streets, regardless of the means.8

When this passion for a safer society goes unchecked, it often leads to police crime and civil rights violation. This passion-laudable in itself-can cause good officers to overzealously execute their duties, ignore the basic constitutional guidelines their profession legally demands, and expose their agency to legal liability.

Officers rationalize this misconduct because cynicism has built up, the department lacks morale and leadership, and the individual lacks faith in the criminal justice system. In their attempts to make charges stick, officers may resort to "massaging" facts in order to get a felony warrant. For example, a department's sub cultural values may dictate always arresting "the driver" in a possession of stolen motor vehicle case, with anything less considered poor police work.

This example shows how overzealous officers rationalize: Several teens are driving around in a stolen motor vehicle, and the officers stop them. The young men jump out and run away, the officers chase them, and arrest only two passengers. Unfortunately, for the officers, neither of them was driving the vehicle. The officers file a report identifying one of the teens as driving and the other as possessing contraband found on the floorboard. The officers chalk up felony arrests and call it a productive night.

As written, supervisors would have no reason to question the officers' veracity and, indeed, would applaud the arrests. Ostensibly, this appears to be good police work: a recovered stolen auto, drug dealers or users off the street, and society better off for it. However, the lies in the police report, and subsequent perjured testimony in court, are both felonies and, as such, are crimes unique to the police. When uncovered, these lies will taint previous-and valid-legal arrests made by the same officers or any assisting officers involved in the foot chase and apprehension.

The Rationalization Defense
Shortcuts taken in police procedures and investigations in everyday misdemeanor arrests are a large part of noble cause corruption. Rationalizations, such as the "citizen is so drunk he won't remember what happened," may lead to officers' skipping the field sobriety tests or the breath tests, while reporting that they were performed. Before performing a breath alcohol test, officers must read specific constitutional rights to the citizen informing him or her of his or her right to refuse the test and informing the citizen that this refusal, alone, may result in a suspended driver's license. Testimony affirming that specific police procedures were followed, when they were not, is a police crime, especially when confronted with probable cause issues in pretrial motions.

Additionally, the "contempt of cop" or "it's my word against his" attitude opens the door for further shortcuts and constitutional violations. An officer may perform a valid traffic stop, but if the citizen is belligerent or disrespectful, chances are that person is going to jail. In this same vein, officers may issue "sewer tickets"-that is, write a ticket but instead of giving it to the citizen throw it in the sewer-causing a failure to appear in court, a warrant to be issued, and several future problems for the citizen.

Intentionally tainting a police photograph array for identification is another form of noble cause corruption. For example, when a community suffers a rash of armed robberies, detectives often have an idea who might be the perpetrator. Detectives provide a recent booking photograph of this person for patrol officers to carry as they attempt to locate the suspect. When the next robbery occurs, the patrol officer shows the single photograph of the suspect to the victims, who state they believe that the photo appears to be the assailant. A warrant is obtained based on this eyewitness identification, and an arrest made.

This could be good police work, except that the identification photograph array was not properly presented. The victim's independent recollection of the assailant's description is forever tainted by the officer's actions. This identification process is never documented in writing. But during the witness's testimony at trial, explaining this process at the scene opens the door for defense attorneys to argue due-process violations and obstruction of justice, and seek dismissal of all charges, and free a dangerous felon. This breach of trust, though meant in good faith to protect society, actually endangers the community and jeopardizes the public's perceptions of its police agency, when all charges are dismissed and the accused then retains legal counsel and sues the agency.

Whatever the officer's motivation to cut corners-whether citizen disrespect for authority, improving arrest numbers, or simple laziness-it is a crime, and, when discovered, it tarnishes the image of the agency and the profession.

<snip>

Systemic Arrogance Contributes to Corruption
Arrogance has no place in policing, and agencies that have a culture of arrogance will only foster allegations of organizational tolerance for noble cause corruption and betrayal of the public service philosophy. When officers and administrators believe that the ends justify their means, such as illegal searches, "articulation" in report writing, illegal arrests and "testilying," they corrupt their own system.9

Noble cause corruption is rooted in this sense of arrogance, in which officers will rationalize constitutional violations for their own perceived greater good: a safer community. Middle managers, then, engage in a supervisory logic of good faith based on the belief that subordinates always tell the truth and follow the law as their training dictates.10

When internal red flags surface-such as multiple citizen complaints for one officer, or subordinates who ask not to have to work with that officer for no specified reason-supervisors must look deeper into the reasons for this sudden turn of events. It may be personal in nature, but it is the duty of the supervisor to make reasonable inquiries into the cause.

Sometimes, supervisors may even refuse to acknowledge subordinate misconduct when reported.11 Frequently, top police administrators become aware of police misconduct only when the media has reported such patterns and practices. The immediate but reactive promise of transparency, training reforms, and internal investigations by this time is too late- the damage has been done, the lawsuits filed, and the agency's image tarnished. Law enforcement executives must establish early warning systems and ensure proper internal accountability measures are in place to avoid developing illegal patterns and practices.

Supervisory Cowardice Contributes to Corruption

<snip>

Favoritism, nepotism, political concerns, or image preservation must not prevent the chief from thoroughly investigating and disciplining officers for policy violations. Impossible conflicts of interest arise in policing every day, and professional police administrators must adhere to a predetermined set of guidelines and decision-making processes to best serve their community and their agencies. Allegations of departmental cover-ups are immediately followed with calls for external investigations, removal of the chief, and massive reform.

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=1025&issue_id=102006

calimary

(81,540 posts)
12. All these - and police on foot patrols.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:20 AM
Jun 2015

They need to circulate in their neighborhoods. Get to know the people they serve. Might even put some of 'em on horseback. Sometimes animals take the heat down a little.

We need to demilitarize the police - AND the civilians too. The police and the people need to build more bridges to each other. Somehow we have to stop BOTH sides of this equation from looking upon the other as the enemy.

I just thought of something else. Dunno if it'd work, BUT ... what if there were a different kind of service dog - that certain police details had. For the enhancement of community policing. I'm talking about the kind of dogs that are there for comfort and companionship. The ones like you find in hospices and children's cancer wards and such. Therapy dogs. Not German shepherds but maybe something more traditionally people-friendly and not intimidating. golden retrievers or some other friendly dog - or mutts from the pound. NOTHING is a better conversation starter between two strangers in a chance encounter - than if one of them has a dog. Here would be another case where an animal added into the equation might take the stress level down a little.

Imagine a uniformed officer with a dog like that on a leash, on patrol through his or her "beat" during the day. Passersby might stop and notice, say hello, make small talk (undoubtedly about the dog), introductions, two parties thus reaching out to each other human-to-human. No reason for either side to be wary of the other. Might be a good way to start building a bridge or something? Human-to-human. Meh - just a thought.

All I know is that these deeper and deeper divisions in our society just really have to stop. We are setting upon each other when we ought to be banding together to face far larger challenges that affect us all. Like climate change and hunger and poverty and such. Sometimes I wonder if what would happen if that little weird musing that ronald reagan once uttered were true. He once talked briefly about - what if humanity was suddenly confronted by invaders from outer space. Maybe that would bring all the bickering partisans around the world together. A common enemy. We wouldn't have time to fight amongst ourselves because we'd all be fighting the space aliens. It's about the only thing he said that I ever saw no reason to question.

sheshe2

(83,969 posts)
20. I like this.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jun 2015
I just thought of something else. Dunno if it'd work, BUT ... what if there were a different kind of service dog - that certain police details had. For the enhancement of community policing. I'm talking about the kind of dogs that are there for comfort and companionship. The ones like you find in hospices and children's cancer wards and such. Therapy dogs. Not German shepherds but maybe something more traditionally people-friendly and not intimidating. golden retrievers or some other friendly dog - or mutts from the pound.


To defuse a situation. I like this a lot.

Sorry, I don't always get back to people. I try.



Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
5. By never stop spreading the word that there is only one race, the human one
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jun 2015

There are slight differences in general appearance caused by temporary geographical isolation; those aberrations have no meaning.
All lives matter, the greatest need now is the lives of Black people. What we learn solving that helps us solve the next set of injustices faster.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
8. After I posted I read my last line, I had the thought.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jun 2015

Once again. we are leaving the heavy lifting to the African Americans.


That made me uncomfortable.
So, I will lift with them.
I must be as strong as they are. As strong as they have always been.

Strive On

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
9. Absolutely - we all must help each other!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:30 AM
Jun 2015

The racists can't succeed when you and me, sister and brother unite together. They need to come around or we need to leave them behind as fast as possible. I do believe people can change, naive as that may be, I have to believe it.

3catwoman3

(24,077 posts)
4. In light of current events, my comment feels frivolous.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jun 2015

Here it is anyway - my heart melts when I see how lovingly President Obama looks at Mrs. Obama.

Hekate

(90,899 posts)
10. From the very first. In the 2008 campaign there were some pics of them waiting in the wings...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jun 2015

...and there was something about the two of them together that told me Michelle is his world, and that wherever she is is home to him. I've never seen anything like it in a political couple.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
13. Dylann Roof is not "them", whereas black people are to the white people
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:47 AM
Jun 2015

Us vs them.

That makes the big difference. Dylann Roof is a white person, "us". Black people are "them" and are thus considered a potential threat, to the white people.

brer cat

(24,628 posts)
15. Thank you sheshe.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

I don't know how to make it stop. Racism and bigotry are passed down from one generation to the next like the cherished family heirlooms. It is so ingrained in their image of self that any people or events that contain a conflicting message are seen as great threats. Can we even imagine how drop-out, unemployed loser Dylann Roof feels when he sees something like your first picture here? A black couple: successful, brilliant, handsome/beautiful, in control of their own lives and occupying the most powerful seat in the world. I would suggest that it is a slap in his face, but more likely it is a kick to the groin, to his maleness. So he reached for his "equalizer" to "take back his country" to a place where loser white boys had control over "them" and could keep them in their "place."

"Hollow" expresses how I feel right now too. PBO quoted MLK about our need to move “from the fatigue of despair to the buoyancy of hope.” I appreciate the quote, but I can't yet get past the fatigue of despair.

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