Another unspeakable tragedy. Will there be any significant, fundamental changes?

[NRaleighLiberal]

feel free to interpret my question any way that you choose.

I, sadly, voted "No"

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[daleanime]

1. Wish I didn't believe this.....

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

2. Significant, fundamental changes are passé.

Oh, unless they're for the negative ones. You know, like corporations are people?

[KamaAina]

3. 'Fraid not.

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Unforftunately, no.

Dems in congress will cave in, as usual.

Nothing will change.

[bigwillq]

5. Highly doubt it.

I shall see what happens.

[City Lights]

6. IMO, nothing will change. nt

[Arugula Latte]

7. Nope. Even a "progressive" site like DU has gun nuts. So, no.

This country is fucked by guns and their obsessed worshipers. We've chosen the path of more carnage, and it will only get worse.

[mnhtnbb]

8. I voted "no"

President Obama alluded to it in his statement today...given the political realities in DC.

Republicans do not give a fuck. They simply do not give a shit.

Look at Nikki Haley. Stands there with her oh, so sorry feeling about the heart and soul
of South Carolina and cannot comprehend that because CEO's don't complain about
flying the Confederate flag over the SC State House, it might be worth removing it
for some other reason.

What a clueless person.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. .

the results of this poll are honest, true...and so, so sad.

[MohRokTah]

10. No, because guns are more important than human lives to the gun humpers. eom

[closeupready]

11. If he was getting mental health treatment and stopped his meds,

then perhaps we can learn how he went from point A and got to point B (and why - side effects?).

If you mean gun control, I don't believe anything will change on that issue.

[aikoaiko]

12. No fundamental changes, but there might be fewer restrictions coming forth.

[Solly Mack]

13. No

We'll hear how the white man with the confederate flag, the apartheid patches, and the racists jokes just fell from the sky and is in no way connected to the dominant culture that produces racist cops, that disproportionately arrests and imprisons people along racial lines, where existing while black can be a death sentence, where a racist history is called heritage and is defended vigorously. Where white people who commit hate crimes are lone wolfs in need of help and understanding, and not a domestic terrorist whose warped ideas are fed constantly by the racism that exist throughout America. Because, you know, there was just no way that Roof took any cues from society as a whole. None. Nope. His racism was entirely the fault of his upbringing. He never saw or heard acceptance of his racism from anywhere else - not even while telling racist jokes to his friends. Why, they all shouted him down and told him how wrong he was! You bet they did! (snort)



We'll hear the usual fear-mongering of "they want to take our guns". So, those who can hear nothing else but that will go on the defensive and be ever more entrenched in their completely ignorant belief that the government is going to take their guns from them.

Certain politicians will, of course, reinforce this, as it plays to their advantage. Playing to their base, and all that.

And, once again, the chance to actually do something will be lost in all the bullshit.

[KoKo]

14. Couldn't vote.....I think that we all go into Rages...when we need to "Step Back" ...because

each individual situation should be examined on its on for motives.

What we miss is: Why are African Americans filling our "For Profit Prisons" in the Thousands with minor Drug Violations and that the Profits from this alone shows Government favors Incarcerating Black People over "Others" (maybe the 1%'ers Children and Celebrities get away going into "Community Service" or "Rehab&quot when there is no help for the Poor...either blacks or poor whites and they end up in horrible circumstances..doomed for life. But Poor Blacks get the worst of it all.

Mass Murders are another situation where "Lone Actor" gets all the attention and the BIG ISSUE becomes political....yet WHY are these "Lone Wolf's" doing this....then it goes into Gun Laws (important) but then into a tangent where nothing really gets resolved when the Mainstream Media gets involved.

Lone Wolfs....or Circumstances as to "WHAT TURNED THEM...TO KILL!"

I don't know...but, I think that we are all SCREWED unless we DIG Deeper into what is going on in our Country: Economy, Racism Roots, Guns and Media doing RAMBO and Promoting Violence.. and then in Denial when an Horrific Event Occurs . Was he on Drugs, affiliated with Radical Groups...a Closet Racist acting out in anger, a Lone Wolf with hate embedded in his heart. THOSE ARE THE MSM HEADLINES!

If he was Muslim..it would be "TERRORIST, ISIL/ISSIS or if he any Other Group of Ethnicity he would be tarred with that as "MOTIVE."

We don't know yet what motivated him....but, it might not be anything that we thought of..... It might be a mentally disturbed looking for Indentity, on Meds for ADD/ADT or something else. Whatever it is ....our society is responsible in some ways for these Mass Murders that leave people shaking their heads and looking for answers...but we RACE to Judgement...before all facts are out there.

Things are so "F**ed" Up in our Country these days it is hard to even express more.......but, I worry, that all this will go on until we find some way to get beyond our Prejudices and MOVE ON to a COOPERATIVE COMMONS to try to ALL GET ALONG...in whatever way we can find. Our PLANET IS IN DISTRESS...We need to GATHER TOGETHER.

Sorry...a bit of a rant.....but in memory of those who died in Charleston who worked long and hard for PEACE..... Its just gotta keep going...! It will be that long hard fight that MLK warned us of. And, he lost his life because of that...but, his words live forever in print, video and New People Discovering what he fought for, lived for, and lost his life for. And, others who've led us Forward following his words and actions.

"We are but a Blip in Time"......but, every person who fights back against "Rights of the People" makes their Mark on the World ...going forward.

We have to have HOPE..... As dreadful as all this is......we have to WORK HARDER ....to leave the LEGACY that Others Left Before Us to enlighten those we Leave Behind as a Benchmark. IMHO........

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. thanks for putting into words what I am feeling - and I've had several false start OPs like this.

My wife and I started re-watching the movie Gandhi last night. Remarkable timing. Hope is incredibly important.

thanks.

[KoKo]

20. Need to revist that view, also..Scrambling for Hope!.. Then there's this:

Just where I'm thinking these days:

Don't know why but newly deceased "DU Long Time Member, "Jackpine Radical" (Jim Petersen) posted this on his Blog: "Jackpine's Needles" a bit way back (2010) seems to say something we might want to think about going forward? He has some insightful thoughts on his Blog...that Lives...without him. For those of us in a retrospective mood after all these years. And...After All These Years...we have a Right to be Retrospective, imho.


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THE LITTLE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF (Updated)

There once was a shepherd boy who had the job of tending to the sheep that belonged to a village. He was watching over the sheep as they grazed in a clearing in a forest when a great pack of wolves appeared out of the forest and began chasing the sheep and scattering them. The boy cried “Wolves, wolves!” and all the villagers ran away because they were frightened.

"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers after they straggled back to their village, "You frighten people with talk like that!"

A few days later, the wolves returned and the boy cried out again, "Wolves! Wolves! The wolves are chasing the sheep!" The villagers again ran away, leaving him alone to protect the sheep as best he could.

“We told you not to frighten us with these stories of wolves,” said the villagers. “We don’t believe you. We don’t think you ever saw any wolves.” From then on, they simply ignored the boy when he sounded the warning about wolves; they did not run away, but neither did they come to help him protect the sheep.

The wolves grew ever bolder, seeing that they had to contend with only one small boy. One day they summoned all the wolf packs from the surrounding countryside to join them in a gigantic raid on the flock. They dragged all the sheep off into the woods to eat at their leisure. They killed the shepherd boy and took his body along with them as well.

After a while the people of the village began to grow hungry for mutton, so they set out to bring home a sheep from the flock. When they got to the clearing in the forest, they found no sheep and no shepherd boy. “Look at this,” they told each other. “That thieving little boy has gone away and taken all our sheep with him. Now we know why he was crying ‘Wolf’ all the time. He was setting up his alibi.”

The moral of the story: Truth is precious. Don’t tell it too often, or nobody will believe you.

http://jackpineneedles.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-05-22T09:27:00-07:00&max-results=7

[tosh]

15. Not yet.

But it will come.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Nope

I have no idea when, but now, nope. There will be no change.

[BainsBane]

18. No, because the single strongest corporate lobby controls Washington

and is able to halt legislation supported by 90% of the population. Their name: the NRA, aka, Evil Inc.

[Nay]

19. Oh, hell no. If we couldn't get our shit together after 20 first graders were shot

down in cold blood, we aren't going to get our shit together now.