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The Confederate battle flag still flies at the top of its flagpole there. The people of South Carolina should march to that flag pole, cut the rope and throw that flag into a nearby trash receptacle.
It represents the racism that caused the death of those people in the Church. The killer has a Confederate States of America license plate on the front of his car. That this emblem of slavery and racism is still flying high is the ultimate insult to the POC in South Carolina. They and their allies should simply march to the Capitol Building and cut that flag down and discard it.
That act would express their disgust at the obscenity that is the Confederate Battle Flag.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)You'll be met by hundreds of armed nuts, and they just might shoot you.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Destroy the flag and leave before anyone knows you were there. Bring hundreds of people, black and white. Bring arms if you like. Just do it. It is an obscenity.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)with a flame thrower!
And then all that would be left is charred crispy remnants
of that obscene,trashy flag.
I know,I know,I can dream can't I?
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)I'm sure they'd have a replacement up the next day. Probably have a closet full of 'em.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)For FFS!
ENOUGH!
0rganism
(23,957 posts)then what?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's what. This should be the last straw in this battle that has been going on since he 1860s. The fucking Civil War is OVER!
The Suthren States need to get over it and join the United States of America, finally. Let the good people of South Carolina come out and say:
ENOUGH!
calimary
(81,327 posts)They told US to "get over it" after Selection 2000. GET OVER IT. MOVE ON AND GET OVER IT.
Well, it's THEIR turn now. And they can just start figuring out how to get over some obsolete and utterly SINFUL "grievance" that dates back almost 200 years ago. The Civil War is OVER. They LOST. THEY need to get over it. And if they won't do it voluntarily, then maybe we have to MAKE them do it.
OR, I suppose they could always make good on that cocky, asshole-y threat that rick perry likes to insinuate, to secede - and I'd say "good riddance!"
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)and treason. Take it down, burn it!
ENOUGH
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)llmart
(15,540 posts)I say thousands of people should show up. Hell - tens of thousands. And then take the march to NRA headquarters.
lostnfound
(16,184 posts)Especially if it was specifically done to honor the victims of this awful act.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Would also be wearing police uniforms.
There was a march on the Statehouse on MLK day in 2000 that was estimated at 40,000. As a result, the flag was taken off the dome and placed behind a Confederate monument on the grounds, where it remains to this day.
While there are still calls to remove it, a majority of the Legislature does not want to reopen that debate. It will be interesting to see if this incident changes that, but since they won't be back in session again until next January the momentum will likely die down.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)governor exactly how this happened.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I have a sharp pocket knife in my pants pocket, and it would give me enormous pleasure to sever the rope that holds up that flag.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Of course you would. This being the internet...
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Screw that shit! I'm almost 70 years old now, and don't do much street activism any more. I'd do this, though. I can't afford to fly to South Carolina, though. George W. Fucking Bush stole my retirement money, so I have to keep working, so I can live paycheck to paycheck.
YOU DO NOT KNOW ME!'
ENOUGH!
Please go bother someone else.
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'd carry you to the base of that fucking pole just to see you cut it.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'll be walking for myself. I really appreciate the sentiment, though.
llmart
(15,540 posts)know a lot about you and I for one say, I am quite certain you would be at the front of the pack doing exactly what you said you'd do.
For what it's worth - I'm on the slippery slope to 70 also and I'd be right there next to you helping. I've marched before and I'd do it again. We need the passion of the '60's again.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)during civil rights marches and demands for social justice. Where do you stand on racism. Your answer begs these and many other questions
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I feel the poster was right to question him since he's had different personalities. Pretending to be a Republican on Free Republic, pretending to be a Republican somewhere else -- now he's posting here no longer pretending? The collection of posts is gone *poof* in meta
From Mineral Man on Free Republic (just what I can find on short notice)
After 4 years and a little over 23,000 posts on Free Republic, I'm taking my leave, probably permanently. The recent election, and a number of other things makes this a good time to quit posting on political topics and devote my time to pursuits that actually have identifiable results.
I've made a lot of friends, and more than a few enemies here. I've tried, with varying degrees of success, to post in a reasonable way about subjects that interest me. I've had many people post kind words. I've also been called a troll, a liberal, a DUer, and much, much worse. I'm none of those things. I've even had one death threat sent to me via FReepmail, which I dealt with in my own way.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2705446
I'm not into digging on this so I'll stop short of saying there was something a "stereotypical" black woman that supports Obama posted at one of the conservative places now Mineral Man is saying he's a lifelong activist? What I'm saying is I give him props for maintaining his username he was still saying different things here than he was saying over here.
On edit -- On the Dixie flag Mineral Man say "it's not necessarily a racist symbol"
To: conserv13
Dumbass! While the flag is not necessarily a racist symbol, the Klan picture on the back most certainly is. What a maroon!
If there's any justice, he's wearing a couple of black eyes right now.
6 posted on 9/15/2005, 10:49:06 AM by MineralMan (godless atheist)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1485160/posts?q=1&;page=1
Anyways, don't want to dig this up but just saying something on the internet has been a consistency problem with MM.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)prior to meta going off-line, but there was still so much there.
SixString
(1,057 posts)He's as transparent as a freshly windexed window.
"Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. Not everyone who shows up here as a new member came from DU. Not every newby deserves being Zotted.
See you all. It's been interesting. Who knows? I might be back someday.
MineralMan"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1735580/posts
And he has the gall to trot around here on his high horse preaching to real liberals.
Pathetic.
marble falls
(57,114 posts)occupy ...... I would show up. Because I've shown up before. We shut down a war.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)political suicide in that state.
calimary
(81,327 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)It's protected by the South Carolina Heritage Act of 2000
It takes 2/3 of the General Assembly to vote to take it down
I watched a discussion with a reporter who covers the capitol. He said that he doesn't think the flag is even on a pulley. That it is padlocked
The Act also prevents changing the names of streets, parks, government buildings that are named after historical figures w/o a 2/3 vote
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)blm
(113,069 posts)and they mean to have it.
Sad to say, if a protest like that occurred, they would aim their guns - see Bundy Ranch.
I would STILL be at that protest, though.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)and everyone would be gone before anyone could respond. People are smart enough to avoid a confrontation. Or, they could announce it and everyone come armed with shotguns loaded with 00 buckshot. Screw it! That flag flying at the top of its mast is a grievous insult to every person of color in that state. It is time to make an end of celebrating slavery and the war that was fought to protect it.
Enough!
blm
(113,069 posts)In it to win it.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)to wake Americans the fuck up.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)bigoted citizenry who love that shit would show up with their Second Amendment Solution mow down even more innocent people. If South Carolinians didn't love it so much, it wouldn't be there. The psychopathy that underlies that is WAAAAY deeper than cutting down a racist flag. The flag is just a symbol of a deep cancer in that state, and, indeed the region. (My apologies to the millions of good Southerners who do not share that POV).
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I don't think so. It is time for symbolic action against symbolic racism. Black people are armed as well. Make a stand, as was done when the KKK decided to go after black people in another time. The time is over for acceptance of institutionalized racism in South Carolina and other states where it is endemic.
Volunteers only. I would gladly volunteer, and I'm an old white guy. I live far from there. I cannot go. If I lived there, though, I would not abide the banner of slavery flying at my state's Capitol building. At some point, a stand must be made.
Fuck Nikki Haley and the racists in South Carolina. Those who are not racists should march with the rest to the Capitol.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I hope it will happen. It is time to end this nonsense forever.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)You have to know,that the majority of people don't want that flag flying! WTH????
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)those who support evil might do is never an excuse.
It's like all the European countries that didn't want to give Hitler an excuse to invade them, so they refused to prepare for war or form alliances or condemn his evil.
He invaded them anyway.
npk
(3,660 posts)And it would likely lead to more violence. A boycott might be more effective because Charleston is a city that depends on tourism dollars and when many of those local business owners, who also hold political positions inside the state, start to see their bottom line decreasing, then they might be willing to remove that flag.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)hundreds of white citizens of SC? It's so easy to let things slide and do nothing. At some point, people must stand up and make their point clearly and unmistakably. This is, I think, one of those times. If I lived in South Carolina, I would be at the front of that. If I were concerned about violence, I would come armed with my shotgun and a few dozen rounds of 00 buckshot. People do not have to accept institutional racism willingly. I guarantee that a large crowd, with armed people in it would prevent the cowards from showing up.
Enough!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I'm not sure if it has made an effect on tourism but it has been active.
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130810/PC16/130819917
Basically South Carolina has been in a boycott for over 10 years over the Confederate Flag.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)stand up for equality and justice. Past time.
ENOUGH!
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)International tourism is at an all-time high. Tourism from within this country also. Cruise ships call regularly at the port. Thousands of new homes are being built to keep up with demand.
In an ironic sort of way, this may actually move Charleston to the Left, as old-timers are displaced by people from rational environs.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)no matter what, if not there, elsewhere. Inevitable.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)A racist killed people in a church. Police on SC shot a fleeing black man in the back and killed him. There's no shortage of violence in South Carolina.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)
but that is part of a systemic infection, in america, that is bursting out in racist abscesses that are filling full of hate infected pus all over this land. Those abscesses are going to burst, sooner or later, and truly cause a complete systemic infection. That's all I'm saying, but I'm right there with you, let the flag burn as a symbol of burning the hate it represents. And scatter the ashes.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)by outfits like Fox News and the like who stir up hatred for profit. One would think religion might be a solace from hatred in the US, but yet that carries the infection too and is often a root cause of hatred. It's just a very hateful country. Certainly not all people, but I'm astounded by the hatred and ignorance often displayed by many in the US.
brewens
(13,598 posts)I'm almost out at home. I use the little replica's of the flag they flew at the end of the war. The white ones you can buy by the roll. Pretty much the best use I've ever heard of for any Confederate flag.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)For now, it's Angel Soft triple rolls.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)used to raise/lower the flag...then I think it will blow down, where it can be easily trampled.
Of course, a crowd would be better.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)To prevent must such a thing, SC jst mounted the flag at the top of the pole.... It cqnnot be lowered, which is why it is the only flag there not flying at half-staff, to the state' eternal shame!
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)Sounds like a blowtorch may be in order.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Not that I disagree with the OPs sentiments.
The flag is a fucking disgrace.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)send a clear message. This has gone on long enough. The Confederate Battle Flag needs to go. As a symbol of racism and support for slavery, it's time should have been over in the 1860s.
ENOUGH!
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Burning is the proper way to destroy the Flag of the United States. The Confederate Battle Flag does not deserve that honor.
DinahMoeHum
(21,795 posts)n/t
calimary
(81,327 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)in South Carolina today, they should lead the march. Hillary Clinton would have Secret Service agents with her. Let's end this travesty of freedom today. Let's make the Confederate Battle Flag a flag of shame. March in solidarity and TAKE THAT FLAG DOWN!
ENOUGH!
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Heck, maybe even President Obama could show up, and bring the Marines with him to protect him and the protesters in lowering the flag. I'd recommend that Congress also pass a law prohibiting the display of the Confederate Battle Flag on any official government building, as well.
I'm sick of this crap. It's time for the Civil War to be over once and for all.
xocet
(3,871 posts)The principal variations of the Confederate flag are at the following link:
I don't know if there are more variations, but they should all be excluded.
Finally, though it may sound hyperbolic, I don't know why the Confederate flag should be given any higher regard than the Nazi flag.
(After all, how many black people had their lives and their descendants' lives destroyed by slavery, by Jim Crow and by racism in this country?)
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)Way past time to put an end to displaying that flag.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Wish they would march together, arm in arm, in Solidarity.
Let Gov Haley stand and watch as she cries those fake tears.
There are far bigger better people in this world than her & the assholes she empowers.
Bill Clinton and any others should join the front row in marching.
It was the same old Southern racists that went after Bill & Hillary both, 25 yrs ago.
Bill Clinton had the Black votes & the GOP could do nothing to stop it, and they did everything they could from there on to see that would never happen again.
Clinton walked in & grabbed GHW Bush's second term from him.
Gerrymandering, voter frard & suppression, & the manipulation of ourSupreme Court in selecting GW as President, when the voters would have chosen otherwise, was ramped up into overdrive.
The Black voting block would be suppressed in the Deep South.
The whole RW stench is still wafting strong today.
It will take our Dem Candidates and another MLK walking arm in arm to put this to rest again.
History repeats itself because it is allowed to.
This is a sorrowful day for our America.
Pathetic, shamful & sad.
Thanks for allowing my rant.
Hekate
(90,719 posts)....can stand on their hind legs and shout that. In fact, we all can.
You are right. ENOUGH!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)once and for all. This is simply bullshit. Forget hundreds of protesters. Lets have thousands. I wish I could be there for this.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Because you wrote it! You is mad! Because you never post about insurrection!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)to take to the street these days. This incident would bring me out, though. It's time to stand up and say NO MORE!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Lincoln didn't let the dimwits go.
randys1
(16,286 posts)npk
(3,660 posts)[img]?1434647386[/img]
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You just about need binoculars to see the state flags, but that monstrosity is out front and in people's faces. They are not fooling anybody.
DinahMoeHum
(21,795 posts). . .just sayin'
brer cat
(24,579 posts)and received a JFK Library Profile in Courage award for doing it. Of course, he lost his reelection bid and we have not had a democratic governor since. sigh.
Dream on if you think Nikki has that kind of courage.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)She can rot in hell, as far as I'm concerned.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)progressoid
(49,992 posts)Since the rope is usually secured inside the pole.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Cut the flagpole down. There's a way to lower that flag.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Do whatever it takes.
mopinko
(70,138 posts)it is on top of the building, and i assume the accessway is guarded.
of course, it there are flags out there at ground level a guerrilla campaign to cut them loose would be a piece of cake.
i think this is a good idea. wow, how great would it be for hillary and bernie to lead a delegation to insist that it come down.
dreaming, prolly, but what a dream.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)You know, to honor the people who shot at this flag:
mopinko
(70,138 posts)shooting it full of holes would work for me.
or pasting it w paintballs.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Baggies full of shit.
mopinko
(70,138 posts)shit balloons.
jalan48
(13,871 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)Gods help us all -- I am becoming numb to the horrors as they repeat.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The people of South Carolina need our strong support.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)means that the Government of South Carolina, elected by South Carolinians, condones the slaughter at the Church as though it was
a legitimate act of personal rights carried out by Roof.
I can only guess that such is not the position of the majority of S.C. Citizens.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)message IMO that racism won. I agree, I also don't think that represents the majority of S.C. Citizens.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)that is the way to handle this flag question. That will mean more permanent change.
Tear down the flag and you incite the white supremacists who have incorporated it as their battle flag, to more violence. Citizen pressure for the state to remove it-- is a much more powerful message to them. Protest for the state to take down the flag but don't literally remove that particular flag. These racist people are very literal. You would be waving the red flag in front of the bull and the bullies would charge.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)two outcomes can happen. 1. They will act to take it down which is a plus for civil rights in SC or 2. They refuse to take it down and will have to explain their reasons for leaving it up. That is even better for civil rights because it exposes them totally right during this crisis.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)You have broken down what I was trying to say to the concrete objectives that will be much more effective than physically ripping down the flag. thanks
Put pressure on the state govt to remove it immediately.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)And those who fly it and swear by it should pay the price of treason.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I thought you said they *had*. Man, I was disappointed. Please, somebody needs to do this.
azmom
(5,208 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I don't put any obscenity past the Republican party anymore.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)
Teach those ass clowns that violence is wrong.
Which would be more dangerous? Trying to teach the kids how screwed up the adults around them are in hopes they eventually take it down themselves, or taking down the flag with a mob...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)down the flag to trash it is a violent act. You just don't see it because you think you are on the right side.
That's the usual mistake, and pretty typically American - ironically, that doesn't depend on what side you are on.
But yeah, I know.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Kill the summer tourist season.
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)has no business flying over American soil.
Now ... right now. We gotta rise up and seize this day for our brothers and sisters of color. This shit isn't going to end until we do. We're gonna have to put our pale arses on the front lines and chase the evil goobers back under their rocks. It begins with ripping down that flag and desecrating it by all means imaginable. But it's up to us white folks to accomplish this deed.
Sometimes civil disobedience is the only way forward. I aim to misbehave. Anyone with me?
Trav
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)the symbolic act of ripping down the flag wouldn't accomplish much. It could easily incite even more violence.
Until things really change in SC, they will replace the flag and they will fly the flag.
Work for real change. Then the flag goes into the dust bins of history where it belongs. No longer officially sanctioned.
The problem is, we are so numb to this kind of violence you probably won't even see any protest. I wish I could believe that people care enough to do anything. We are so divided and self-absorbed that most people (white liberals included) will see this as "crazy kid goes berserk--doesn't concern me."
We have been divided and conquered--the goal to keep the races divided and downtrodden, so they don't know the real problem is the capitalist exploiters.
Go ahead--organize a protest and burn a confederate flag--but leave that one there so we can see exactly how long it's going to take to change South Carolina.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)and there's no reason to lose more good lives over a piece of cloth on a pole.
brooklynite
(94,608 posts)Or is this bold step someone else's responsibility?
Vinca
(50,279 posts)Did you mean to respond to the OP?
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)dembeatle
(9 posts)I wish that would happen.
That flag represents traitors!
It should be shameful in our country to have anything to do with it.
I believe Mr. Lincoln was wrong to keep the Confederate States, but that's another topic.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)It is fucking time for action
Phentex
(16,334 posts)little chopping mechanism. Safer than being shot by some guard.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Then we just need a drone operator. That would be awesome.
libodem
(19,288 posts)NOLALady
(4,003 posts)that thousands of White people from South Carolina will march and cut down that flag.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I would have a very long hike - but you know what - LET's go - to hell with logistics...there are some good people in this country that would meet and greet along the way - I have to start in AZ - but LET'S GO!
I'M MAD AS HELL! - MY BOOTS ARE ON - AND MY LUNCH IS PACKED.....LET'S GO!
THAT WOULD BE A POWERFUL MESSAGE...WE THE PEOPLE - SAY ENOUGH -
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)SEND POSTCARDS...
MESSAGE -
TEAR DOWN THAT FLAG
Office of the Governor
1205 Pendleton Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
I WILL BRING MY POSTCARD WITH ME - AS I WALK ACROSS THIS COUNTRY -
TEARS IN EYES
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)It's permanently affixed; there is no rope. One would have to tear down the entire flagpole. However, this is South Caolina we're talking about: surely someone has a big ass truck with a winch, right?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)you're wrong. Whether the pole is aluminum (most likely) or steel, I have a blade that will chew through it quickly enough. I might need a few blades and a couple of spare batteries, but down it would come.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)We can uproot it with a truck, then cut the whole flagpole into pieces with a reciprocating saw and sell it for scrap at the local junkyard. We can use the flag itself as the kindling for a barbecue. The barbecue would be in the interests of the good parts of the South, and if we waited a couple of weeks for Independence Day, it would be about America.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)brooklynite
(94,608 posts)Second thoughts?
Bradj5
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