Bernie Sanders has evolved on ONE political issue: Gun Control

[cali]

If it's such a great thing that HRC has evolved on multiple issues, and we're told repeatedly by supporters that we should not only grant her sincerity but praise her for doing so, why shouldn't Bernie be granted the same courtesy that they are so insistent that Hillary should be granted?

Personally, I don't much care whether they do or not, but I find the blatant hypocrisy revealing.

[cali]

1. kick

[Romeo.lima333]

2. will you grant hrc the same courtesy on her evolvement ?

[cali]

8. depends on the issue and the timing. I believe, for instance, that she'll

continue to support marriage equality, but I do think that her very late evolution on the issue, until the American people were in majority support of it, speaks to her motivations both for opposing it changing her mind. Someone posted a video of her speaking against it in 2004, and it was pretty littered with bigoted, religiously based "reasoning". She was passionate in her support for traditional marriage and its "sanctity".

Clinton has a history of positions based on political reasons. Sanders does not. I can attest to their being no small degree of truth to the accusation that he's a "broken record", and I suppose that too can be criticized. His focus is laser like on inequality.

In any case, I haven't insisted that people grant Bernie the same deference about changing his position on gun control as HRC supporters have demanded re her changing positions and policies. I merely posed a rhetorical question to make a point. And the HRC supporters who attack Bernie on the issue, won't even acknowledge that he has changed his position and voted for increased gun control. They simply lie and say he opposes it now.

As, HRC will likely be our nominee, I'm glad to see her shift her positions to the left on issues, but no, I don't trust her. She's vague on too many things. I won't ever be falling for that again. And alas, it's not realistic to think we can hold a President's feet to the fire.

[Romeo.lima333]

10. true, how can we hold their feet to the fire when we cant even reach him .... nt

[JaneyVee]

3. More projection.

It's Bernie supporters who claim evolving is bad and everyone must vote consistently one way since 1986. But when Bernie evolves it's A-OK, eh?

[cali]

9. lol. it's one issue, not multiple issues. And the specifics count

and frankly, I think he's still too weak on gun control. But unlike Hillary, Bernie doesn't have a long history of maneuvering for political advantage. She's known for doing just that.

There are legitimate issues to criticize Bernie on, but being inconsistent on issues, isn't among them.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Why can't you discuss Bernie's position on gun control without mentioning Hillary?

Why do you have to always try and tear down Hillary?

Look, we get that you don't like her and you already stated that you won't vote for her if she's the nominee, but this is getting kinda creepy.

Try building up your candidate without tearing down another.

[cali]

11. I do more often than not. In this case it's germane. Hillary supporters

flooded the thread about Bernie's message about the shootings at Emanuel AME Church, with comments about how he doesn't support gun control.

And fail, dear. I posted an op months ago saying I had changed my mind and would vote for her. And I've repeated that every tiresome time that I'm I'm asked or rather faced with a demand that I declare my allegiance.

I notice YOU don't ever say similar things to Hillary supporters tearing down Bernie. I actually do challenge Bernie supporters that I think are being sexist or those using right wing sources.

[flamin lib]

5. Hey! All responders to this thread! Be civil. And the same for all Bernie/Hillary threads.

We will eventually have to vote for somebody in the general. Let's not do the GOPs work and poison the well.

[brooklynite]

6. And how about the other way around?

Plenty of folks say they'll never forgive her for her vote (I believe the phrase "blood dripping from her hands" was used recently), but are happy to give Bernie a pass on gun control?

[flamin lib]

14. Just don't feed the beast. I will vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is.

Promote your candidate, don't denigrate the others.

If you have to badmouth the other candidates there may be a weakness in your own.

[brooklynite]

15. Actually, I've never denigrated Bernie...

My only issue is with the attitude of some of his supporters.

[DanTex]

7. I'm still waiting for his acknowledgement that he was mistaken on his

votes on Brady and gun industry immunity. If he has actually acknowledged that, I will give him credit.

[cali]

12. I'm still waiting for her acknowlegement that her stand against marriage equality

was rooted in religious bigotry and that her speeches defending traditional marriage and it's "sanctity" were harmful to the advancement of equality.

Or I would be if I went by your standards.

[DanTex]

13. I guess that means he's never acknowledged his mistake.

Too bad. When Hillary makes a bad vote like the IWR, at least she can recognize it.

[cali]

17. hillary never apologized for her bigoted speeches and opposition to LGBT equality

She never apologized for advocating for the deportation of children. And she didn't admit to being wrong on Iraq until virtually the entire country was furious about the war and thoroughly disgusted by it.

[Eleanors38]

18. No mistake on his part.

1). The Brady Act was wholly ineffective, even on its own terms.

2). The gun industry is not immune from legal actions based on product failure and consequent damages. Like any other industry.

[DanTex]

19. Well, obviously team NRA feels that way. What's odd is to find actual progressives bending over

backwards to defend these horrific votes simply because they can't admit that Bernie could ever be wrong about anything.

[Eleanors38]

21. Every court that had these crap suits come up felt that way...

Are you aware that millions of so-called "assault weapons" were sold during the *ahem* ban?

[DanTex]

22. That's obviously not true, otherwise there wouldn't have been any need for a law.

It was a dead corporate give away, and it's not the least bit surprising that you are in favor of corporate rights.

[ellisonz]

16. Ahh the foundations of dialogue...

"Personally, I don't much care whether they do or not, but I find the blatant hypocrisy revealing."

[pampango]

20. We should accept political evolution from all of our candidates.

We all judge the sincerity or facility of the evolution but is unrealistic to expect our candidates to never evolve.

To me fear of evolution, even the political kind, is more of a republican characteristic. Their candidates have to always and forever have to have unchanging views on guns, abortion, gay rights, taxes and a host of other issues.