Mass Murder In Charleston Not Hate Crime, But Crime Against Christians -- according to conservatives

[napkinz]

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Fox News: Charleston shooting is an attack on faith, not race—calls for pastors to arm themselves
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394261/-Fox-News-Charleston-shooting-is-an-attack-on-faith-not-race-calls-for-pastors-to-arm-themselves

Fox’s Steve Doocy and Guest Wonder Whether Charleston Shooting Part of ‘War on Christians’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-steve-doocy-and-guest-wonder-whether-charleston-shooting-part-of-war-on-christians/

Rick Santorum: Charleston Shooting ‘Assault on Our Religious Liberty’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-santorum-charleston-shooting-assault-on-our-religious-liberty/

[malaise]

1. Who the fugg gives a flying fugg

what the fugging fugg they say

[napkinz]

2. just shows how twisted they are

[uponit7771]

23. I do... I'm just now seeing the news... I just saw a pic of the shooter and the news is HE SAID...

... he was shooting them because they were black

Is that true?

tia

[malaise]

25. Yes he said some vile things before killing them

so obfuscation by conservatives does not matter to me

[uponit7771]

26. WOW!!!

[randys1]

29. If the shooter was smart, to further his agenda, he would claim to be a liberal.

He would claim to be a liberal and an atheist.

I mean if you are going to go to the extreme he has gone, if you are going to almost certainly be put to death (which I am against) then why not try and blame the very people you hate by pretending to be one of them!

Oh, BTW




You motherfucking racist teaparty assholes, oh I know, he isnt teaparty

BULLSHIT

this is what you get when you have a teaparty like we have

STOP this before you force the hand of the government, because you are NOT going to get the good white people and the Black people to start a war with you, NOT gonna happen

[malaise]

50. Well he'd have to find a pro-apartheid

and a pro Ian Smith's Rhodesia liberal.

[randys1]

51. Yeah, forgot about that

Jesus this is some sick shit

[napkinz]

64. In Facebook Photo, Charleston Suspect Wears Flags Of Racist African States

A photo posted on Facebook by one of Roof’s “friends” shows him in front of his car, which has a Confederate license plate.



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671202/facebook-photo-charleston-suspect-wears-flags-racist-african-states/

[napkinz]

67. posted by KitSileya

He made a lot of racist jokes.

-snip-

... the cousin of the church’s pastor—who was killed—quoted a survivor who said Roof told the church: “I have to do it. You’re raping our women and taking over the country. You have to go.”

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026859253

[kelliekat44]

91. They mean ".to white Christians" I guess. nt

[Gothmog]

3. According to Fox News, a white person can not commit a hate crime

[malaise]

5. Nailed it

Sadly

[napkinz]

10. yep

[napkinz]

7. posted by Surya Gayatri

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026856561

[uponit7771]

24. +1

[Behind the Aegis]

4. A new level of depravity.

And if discovered the shooter is Christian? What does this tell them? There are those who will do whatever they can to avoid the obvious; this was a hate crime, an act of terrorism against the African-American community.

In this country, Christians are not the ones being hunted, actual minority people are, and the fact some are Christian doesn't indicate a trend of anti-Christian bias, just a reminder other factors are more insidious to bigots.

[napkinz]

41. "Christians are not the ones being hunted"

good grief ... Elisabeth Hasselbeck is concerned that churches in every state be warned! They're coming for Christians!

video: http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

[Behind the Aegis]

42. I agree other churches should be warned...

...well, at least the African-American ones!

[napkinz]

43. and pastors had better start arming themselves!

Fox News: Charleston shooting is an attack on faith, not race—calls for pastors to arm themselves

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394261/-Fox-News-Charleston-shooting-is-an-attack-on-faith-not-race-calls-for-pastors-to-arm-themselves

[Behind the Aegis]

46. I don't know about that, but security guards aren't out of the question.

Just ask the Jews and Muslims in this country!

[Romeo.lima333]

6. christians are raping our women?

"You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go,"

[napkinz]

13. sounds like the racist crap we heard from Trump yesterday

[Dont call me Shirley]

68. My first thought precisely

[napkinz]

70. others had the same thought too ...

posted by Mortos: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026859511

[ck4829]

8. Yes, that's why he picked a church that was two hours away

That's why he picked a church that was two hours away that was an AME church

That's why he picked a church that was two hours away that was an AME church that had a black state senator as a pastor.

Because he hated Christians. And he's the thing, even if it's hostility towards Christians, it's still a hate crime.

What is wrong with these people?

[ok_cpu]

89. But, it's a hate crime they can swaddle themselves to sleep in

because they're the victims.

Keeps them away from the mirror.

[napkinz]

93. it's a RACIALLY motivated hate crime

but they've been told by FOX that we live in a post-racial America and that it's Christians who are the most persecuted in this country

[Throd]

9. That would still make it a hate crime.

I believe the shooter's primary focus of hate was race, not religion. He didn't shoot people in a white church.

[napkinz]

39. hate crime is short for racially motivated hate crime

there wasn't enough room in subject line, but most people know that is what "hate crime" is shorthand for

[jwirr]

11. They are totally crazy. The only reason the shooter chose the church was because it is a very old

historical symbol of the civil rights movement. Had nothing to do with being Christian.

[randys1]

32. And dont call them crazy, but I know what you mean, they are CRAZY. But there are

TENS of MILLIONS of white Americans who believe what this guy believes.



And it isnt wonderful that this story is taking ALL the heat off TPP

[jwirr]

35. Exactly.

[randys1]

36. I mean how many "crazy" white people are there? Seems that it is only crazy white people when

they kill someone, but if a Black person does it they are thugs and born that way, etc.

[jwirr]

38. Oh. I get it. Sorry.

[randys1]

40. NO, you have nothing to be sorry about, I am just using your posts to respond to so i can vent

these motherfuckers are driving me crazy

[jwirr]

53. Yes, I do that also.

[napkinz]

49. I don't know if they are trying to spin it, or they actually believe it's an attack on Christians

How Fox News Tried to Spin the Charleston Shooting as an Attack on Christianity This Morning

By Jordan Weissmann

When news broke that a young white man had gunned down nine people in a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, Wednesday night, most people quickly seemed to infer that racial animus was a likely motivation for the attack, especially once authorities began referring to it as a hate crime.

Not the cast of Fox & Friends. This morning the show brought on E.W. Jackson, a black pastor and former lieutenant governor candidate in Virginia known for referring to the gay rights movement as “a cancer” and President Obama as a “radical anti-American” and “anti-Christian.” Without mentioning the possiblity that the killings were racially motivated, Jackson explained that he was worried about the fact that the attack happened at a church.

“We’re urging people wait for the facts, don’t jump to conclusions,” Jackson said. “But I’m telling you, I’m deeply concerned that this gunman chose to go into a church, because there does seem to be a rising hostility against Christians across this country because of our biblical views. I just think it’s something that we have to be aware of and not create an atmosphere in which people take out their violent intentions against Christians.”

read more: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/fox_and_friends_on_charleston_shooting_it_s_extraordinary_that_they_re_calling.html

[Warpy]

54. Pox News is trying to spin it so hard they'll drill to China

C'mon, they know this bigot was hunting human beings with skin darker than his.

It doesn't matter how many mental problems he's got. His motive was hate and there were plenty of Christians in his own town. Only black Christians would do.

[jwirr]

55. And I would add black Christians who were settting in very symbolic black chruch.

[napkinz]

56. the FOX anchors are probably spinning it but I think the guest they had on actually believes it's

a war on Christians

edit: the guest was E.W. Jackson

[olddots]

12. fuck those maggots with a dump truck

I mean really these guys need help .

[Liberal Veteran]

14. They are both idiots...but Lindsey Graham needs to work on phrasing.

Now thanks to Lindsey Graham, I imagine people running around asking people "Are you Christian? Will you kill me, please?"

[napkinz]

47. yeah, I think he meant to say there are people out there looking to kill Christians

but most understand what he meant; it's the old "war on Christianity"

[oldandhappy]

15. ha ha So they can be victims instead of potential perps

gag

[onehandle]

16. Gun and racism apologists out in force.

[nc4bo]

17. Wish I knew how to photoshop a big red FALSE over those 2 pictures.

Fox is STILL having heads (and guests)whining about christian persecution while at the same time has typewritten quotes of FBI statistics on racial violence against blacks (aka hate crimes) in the upper righthand corner. Of course the words racial, racist, terrorist, white supremacist, etc. are completely absent from the oral conversation.

How bizarre that was. I guess fox assumes their viewers are too illiterate to read or too stupid to put it all together.

I'm also ashamed of black folks interviewed on Fox that avoid the racist angle and only mention the words christians, religion and church.

[napkinz]

58. E.W. Jackson ...

This morning the show brought on E.W. Jackson, a black pastor and former lieutenant governor candidate in Virginia known for referring to the gay rights movement as “a cancer” and President Obama as a “radical anti-American” and “anti-Christian.” Without mentioning the possiblity that the killings were racially motivated, Jackson explained that he was worried about the fact that the attack happened at a church.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/fox_and_friends_on_charleston_shooting_it_s_extraordinary_that_they_re_calling.html

[Contrary1]

18. "You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Only if Roof was referring to Christians when he shouted this.

[dem in texas]

37. Doocy and Graham are nothing but Media Whores

they were so anxious to get on TV, that they didn't bother to find out what Roof said before he shot all those people. All they knew was it happened in a Church so they rushed out to grab a headline on Fox News, the Madame of all these sorry headline whores.

[napkinz]

65. if I remember correctly, a few months ago Graham told us we were ALL going to die

yes, all of us!

(ISIS was coming!)

[Dont call me Shirley]

72. Like 1400s Spanish Christians

[YoungDemCA]

19. White American Christians need to get over themselves

And recognize their unbelievable privilege.

That would require intellectual honesty, of course, which they don't have.

[Cal Carpenter]

28. If you add right-wing, or racist

or even ignorant or clueless, to "White American Christians" I would agree with you. But you are missing a qualifier there.

There are plenty of white American Christians who do recognize their privilege and work their asses off for social justice, and who can and do practice intellectual honesty.

I say this as a non-Christian, btw, who has worked directly with various folks who do identify as Christians in racial/social justice activism, #blacklivesmatter movement, etc. They are very aware of their privilege.

[napkinz]

69. is there an expiration date ...

[napkinz]

77. white privilege ...

[Initech]

20. No it's a racially motivated hate crime you stupid idiots.

[napkinz]

76. yep ...

Confirmed: Charleston Shooter Wasn’t ‘Persecuting Christians,’ He Was A Racist POS (VIDEO)

by Charles Topher

-snip-

This wasn’t persecution against Christians, it wasn’t some blitz attack by Muslims or atheists or devil worshipers, it was a cold, calculated hate crime pulled off by one deranged white man, following the right-wing extremist doctrine that black people are bad for America.

-snip-

He sat for more than an hour. He listened to their prayer meeting. He witnessed their love, he saw their peace. He decided even after all of it that he had no choice to murder them, saying “I’m sorry, you have to go. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country.”

-snip-

No matter how much the right tries to blame this on “Christian persecution,” it is a hate crime. The FBI is investigating it as such, and like Chief Mullen said, nobody will ever forget it.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/confirmed-charlotte-shooter-wasnt-persecuting-christians-he-was-a-racist-pos-video/

[Solly Mack]

21. Takes a lot of work to be that blind and stupid.

[JHB]

60. Naw, just plenty of practice.

Years and years of practice, and it becomes reflexive and effortless.

[Solly Mack]

62. True - but practice is work.

Can you imagine getting up every morning and beginning your day by embracing denial like it was your first cup of coffee?

Put it on like your shoes. Wear them day in and day out until it feels comfortable and inviting. So much so you long for those shoes and can't quiet forget them. But then you go out and buy the same kind...again and again and again.

[Rex]

22. Racists always find a way to make an obvious racist issue about something else.

Such scummy people, it is a national disgrace that News has been reduced to bigots going on TV and spewing the same propaganda the KKK or neo-nazis would spew.

Then again I wonder if both those men like to wear white sheets and burn crosses on the weekends.

[napkinz]

73. "Then again I wonder if both those men like to wear white sheets and burn crosses on the weekends"

[Matrosov]

27. Is it a 'false flag operation' yet?

The right wingers usually are pretty quick to dismiss these mass shootings as 'false flag operations' by the government meant to flame anti-RKBA sentiment. I guess it was really Joe Biden with his shotgun who killed all those people in the church, or maybe they aren't even dead, they were just acting.

[Person 2713]

33. Of course . A minute has passed since the shooting

http://www.naturalnews.com/050115_church_shooting_Charleston_race_war.html

Govmnt race war and gun control woo Hoo hunker down

[Person 2713]

30. OFFS

[ileus]

31. Folks have been told for years Christians and Blacks are the enemy.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. This is a sad attempt to strengthen the nexus between

Clown car republicans and the Xtian right. They have an election to win, dontcha know.

[napkinz]

84. so far as I know, only one Republican candidate -- Graham -- has commented

edit: Santorum also commented

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-santorum-charleston-shooting-assault-on-our-religious-liberty/

[Stinky The Clown]

87. That's why the meme was launched on Fox Nooz.

The Xtian nutters sorta sat on their hands last few cycles. The right is hoping to energize them again. It isn't about which candidate so much as it is about conservatism.

[napkinz]

88. it reinforces their persecution complex

They are being shot in their churches (Elisabeth Hasselbeck was concerned that churches throughout the nation be warned after today's attack).

Their marriages are threatened (should the Supreme Court rule in favor of marriage equality).

They are soooooo oppressed.

[Fawke Em]

44. Hmmm... the shooter is alleged to be very conservative.

Wonder what they'll say tomorrow when it comes out that he leaned "right?"

[napkinz]

75. what they always do next ... Blame Obama!

[PufPuf23]

45. (1) They are clueless; (2) They are racist; (3) They are political "tools"

IMO (2) and (3) but not (1)

To go there with the narrative is evil and manipulative.

[Duppers]

48. CNN was saying the same early this AM.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6856352

[napkinz]

74. too bad no one got a screen grab

[elleng]

52. They don't read so good, I guess,

but this is JUST the kind of electorate the repugs want, dumb and 'religious.' Rover himself said it.

[DustyJoe]

57. doubled up

Then it is a hate crime doubled because of the racist and anti-religion bias.

If it is a hate crime to hurt lets say a moslem as in another high profile shooting
then the same religous logic making that a hate crime must be followed in this
case of gunning down good churchgoing Christians.

Just having enough hate in your soul to kill another person is a hate crime in itself.

[mindem]

59. Anyone who watches Faux news is a fool

and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Chiyo-chichi]

61. Riiiight. That's why he had the flags of Scotland & Norway on his jacket...

because he hates Presbyterians and Lutherans.

[SummerSnow]

63. So, these two jerks investigated the case before the FBI?...amazing

And they conducted their investigations without going to the scene, interviewing witnesses, interviewing associates of the thug, etc....amazing.

[yuiyoshida]

66. I HAVE TO USE THIS!!!

[napkinz]

81. yep

[Eleanors38]

71. Dumb fucks. It is a racist act of terrorism against blacks...

Not a Gerry-built war on Christians, not a mental illness problem, not gun control.

[napkinz]

82. ...

[mstinamotorcity2]

78. Really

wish people would just shut up. Get tired of all the so called sympathy and condolences. It doesn't lessen the pain. You have families who are grieving beyond belief. and there is nothing to justify any killing of someone because their skin isn't clear. All the speculations and fake outrage is a bit much. this has been happening since the cruise over. Nobody doing nothing about it. Sidearm Lynchings. Plain and simple. It's a bit passé to use a noose.

[mwooldri]

79. Wait, what? A crime against Christians isn't a hate crime?

If (in some weird alternative reality) I decide to walk into a church on a Sunday morning, carrying in some automatic machine gun and I start spraying bullets around shouting "f*** you Jesus" ... doesn't that mean I hate Christians?

I thought a hate crime was when an individual identifying with one ethnic and/or religious group decides to commit an atrocity against someone of a different ethnicity and/or religion.

A hate crime is a hate crime is a hate crime. White vs black, Muslim vs Christian, Catholic vs Protestant, Hutu vs Tutsi - whichever way you view it one group is hating on another.

What happened in Charleston yesterday was most definitely a hate crime. The murderer was white, the victims were not. I don't know the religion of the murderer but from the witness their religion wasn't the reason the murderer took away their lives. However if the guy said "You Jesus-worshippers make me sick - die ***** !!!" it'd still be a hate crime.

as for the above referenced people in the OP - they need to grow up and know it's a f'n hate crime. period.

[napkinz]

80. As I wrote in another reply:

everyone knows that hate crime is shorthand for "racially motivated hate crime" (and there wasn't enough space in the subject line to write out "racially-motivated hate crime&quot

[napkinz]

83. "disgusted yet?"

[odd_duck]

85. The shooter will be

called a 'Liberal' in 3...2...1..

[napkinz]

86. President Obama will be blamed in 3 ... 2 ... 1

[Kingofalldems]

90. I bet that talkling point came directly from the Heritage Foundation.

[napkinz]

92. FOX News' Doocy was the first to spew the talking point, then CNN picked up on it

[Kingofalldems]

94. IMO, Doocy did not think that up by himself.

Heritage sends out daily talking points or maybe Ailes put it out there.

[napkinz]

95. Oh, I agree, Doocy was given the talking point

but it's sickening to see CNN take the baton from FOX and run with it

[Kingofalldems]

96. CNN was great under Ted Turner.

[napkinz]

97. CNN is a joke now

[napkinz]

98. Larry Wilmore Goes Straight After Fox For Coverage Of S.C. Church Shooting (VIDEO)

... he was outraged that conservatives tried to pretend that the victims were targeted because they were Christian.

“I know we talk about race a lot on this show, but I think we can all agree this time that this is a racially motivated attack,” Wilmore said. “It couldn’t be clearer when it comes out of the killer’s mouth. But even with all of that evidence, on a day like today, Fox News just makes my f*cking head explode.”

He played a barrage of video clips from Thursday morning’s “Fox and Friends” horror show, where the hosts described the terrorist act as a “horrific attack on faith.”

“I know you guys don’t want to admit that racial stuff isn’t going on, but how can there be any doubt when it came out of the gunman’s mouth?” He told his victims, ‘I want to shoot black people.’ I think when he says black people, he means black people – and not Christians.”

see video:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/larry-wilmore-rips-conservative-response-to-charleston-shootings-fox-makes-my-fcking-head-explode/

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/larry-wilmore-goes-straight-after-fox