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Many Hillary supporters keep saying Bernie is unelectable because he can't raise the funds to counter the constant attacks that are going to come from Republicans. The problem with that thinking is that countering attack ads doesn't require much money. Running your own ads (which is where the majority of the money in elections go) are ineffectual to counter attack ads. By the time you write a script, direct it, approve it, submit it to stations, and get it in the cycle the smear has already taken hold. They're just too slow to counter smears. Attack ads are countered by press releases, interviews, word of mouth, social media, fact checkers, and other fast acting means. None of these are high cost investments. Every candidate can afford these, even Bernie.
When people say Bernie doesn't have the money to counter the Republican's attack ads what they really mean is he can't afford to run his own attack ads against the Republican nominee the way a candidate like Hillary can. The problem with this line of thinking is that Hillary doesn't have the money in her campaign to run attack ads either, nor the inclination. No candidate does. Not even the Republican candidates.
Attack ads don't come from candidate campaigns. No sensible candidate associates their name with negative ads whether they rely on them or not. They leave that up to the PACs to handle. That's where the real money in elections are. The candidates let the PACs attack people so the candidate can stay clean and above the fray.
You keep asking Bernie supporters if we're going to support Hillary if she wins, or take our ball and go home. Well here's my question to you. If Bernie wins the nomination, are all these Democrat backing PACs going to take their ball and go home?
If your answer is that the PACs won't support the nominee if it's Bernie, then maybe the liberals aren't the ones with the party loyalty issue. If they're going to support the nominee no matter who it is, then there's your answer for where the funding is going to come from to counter the Republicans. The same place it's going to come from for Hillary and every other nominee. The money is already being raised, it's going to get spent whether the nominee agrees with it or not.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)But he is certainly motivating people to engage in the 2016 election.
He has my respect.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)the Republican attacks?
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I am not sure but would hope they would support Bernie if he wins the primary. I am sure since you have addressed this issue you will see the goal posts moved or claims of "no one is saying that".
SaranchaIsWaiting
(247 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)My thinking is that Hillary will win the nomination. If so most of what you posted will not come into play. But I am willing to bet that a real campaign manager would not agree with you.
Obviously you think Hillary is going to win the nomination. It would be kind of silly for you to support her so hard if you didn't feel that way. I think Bernie is going to win the primaries. I'm not here to waste my time. All that's irrelevant to the topic. Surely you're not so married to the idea of Hillary winning that you can't answer a simple hypothetical question to yourself.
This has nothing to do with who will win the primary. This is about all the attacks that Bernie can't win in the general against Republicans due to lack of funding.
This can't play out during the primary season. The very question of the OP is "if Bernie win's the primaries will the PACs support him in the general?".
No I don't expect Hillary's PAC to back Bernie, or any other candidates PAC. But there are hundreds of PACs out there on our side. What about the party PACs? What about the PACs run by groups who are terrified of seeing an R as the next president? What about the union PACs?
Are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me they wouldn't back Bernie if he was our nominee?
Now whether or not Bernie can get past Hillary in the primary is a whole other debate, and a perfectly valid one to have. But it's not the topic at hand. I'm just shooting down a nonsensical attack being thrown around against Bernie.
Gman
(24,780 posts)A key part of a campaign is often called the Lightning response. Obama pioneered it in 08. With today's technology, a script can be written, film it and have it running in a few hours.
Besides, who watches TV anyway?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)candidate they mentioned was Hillary. I filled out their survey and when they asked for the usual donation I wrote "No thanks I will send my donation directly to the candidates. That is the answer they will continue to get.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)he isn't going to win. He's running to get more liberal issues into the public discourse and to push the eventual nominee more to the left. Kucinich used to be the issues candidate. The right has them too. Both sides engage in this political theater in every presidential election. Bernie Sanders seems like a good politician, and he is certainly not naïve enough to think he can win the presidency. I guess it's good that there are people who think he might actually win. That way his views get out there and get more exposure. These issues candidates are an important part of the process, but no, Bernie isn't going to win.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)is going to get the nod. Better if you all focus on getting Mrs. Clinton elected. A Democrat is worth any number of republicans eventually. Especially since that asshole trump thinks he has a chance, what a tool! Gawd, I hope he goes away with his little toupe, dipshit.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)"Bernie can't win the primary, so let's not discuss anything about the general". Obviously that policy is to be suspended if the general is used to attack Bernie.
And thank you for your advice, but I'd rather focus on the candidate I believe will move this country forward, not stall it in neutral at best (Hillary) or take it backwards (any Republican). Here's a crazy thought. How about we spend the primary actually picking out the best candidate for the job, not planning how to push through the one that gets coronated.
And don't worry about Trump. I don't think I've ever met a person that likes him or takes him seriously. That includes Republicans. The front runners, IMO, are Bush (who's main qualification is he's probably least likely to majorly screw up in the primary) and Walker (who, despite a horrendous track record, for some reason appeals strongly to the hard right). But there's still 20+ other wild cards over there. Their primary should at least be entertaining.