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MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 07:59 PM Jun 2015

DU' s 99% has zero hidden posts.

Its members participate in discussions, offer their opinions, and disagree with other's opinions reasonably and without personal attacks.

DU' s 99% tries hard not to insult involuntary classes of people.

It supports Democratic candidates without attacking other Democratic candidates by using vile names or distorted information.

Members of that 99% read threads and try to learn from other's points of view.

DU' s 99% doesn't get timeouts, doesn't get banned and helps to make DU the terrific discussion forum it has been since 2001.

Here's to DU' s 99%!

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DU' s 99% has zero hidden posts. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2015 OP
Hear, Hear! House of Roberts Jun 2015 #1
Thanks! MineralMan Jun 2015 #2
Absolutely sharp_stick Jun 2015 #3
Almost everyone tries to get along MineralMan Jun 2015 #4
Which group is that? aspirant Jun 2015 #40
The hard liners d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #142
Oy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #5
Yes, I know what you mean. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #34
More importantly, the 99% of DU do not wear a time out as a badge. longship Jun 2015 #6
You've always been one of the 99%. MineralMan Jun 2015 #8
My best to you, my good friend. nt longship Jun 2015 #15
Not easy to bite your tongue but i do it a lot. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #7
Me too. I have been tempted to post some nasty replies RebelOne Jun 2015 #19
Just best to bite your tongue and use ignore. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #21
Don't get down on yourself..... daleanime Jun 2015 #46
Anyone on DU skepticscott Jun 2015 #160
I try to hold my tongue ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #74
I am failing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #86
What if you've gotten hides but never had a timeout? Number23 Jun 2015 #9
I don't know. I've been here for almost seven years. MineralMan Jun 2015 #11
I just had my 1st hidden post a month or 2 ago Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #18
"You have to account for the thin-skinned folks here on DU" ColesCountyDem Jun 2015 #143
I guess we have to wait until we have none pintobean Jun 2015 #16
Some posts around here you just gotta have a little fun in. Especially these days. Number23 Jun 2015 #17
MM is not near as clever as he thinks he is. Rex Jun 2015 #95
Agree. I had him on ignore for years until recently. closeupready Jun 2015 #102
Sad? Puglover Jun 2015 #154
Yeaaaa ...we're back in school again. Time to conform. L0oniX Jun 2015 #10
Everyone does as he or she chooses. MineralMan Jun 2015 #12
And everything is green and submarine seveneyes Jun 2015 #13
It's better in empty, ancient amphitheatres, but points for style anyway. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #27
I think your numbers are skewed. Sorry. William769 Jun 2015 #14
Sir, yes sir! calimary Jun 2015 #20
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #22
Sometimes ones post has nothing to do with them getting a hidden post madokie Jun 2015 #23
+99 ileus Jun 2015 #24
Here's to the friendly folks. lovemydog Jun 2015 #25
The ones who try and read another person's post from their point of view passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #158
Hah! lovemydog Jun 2015 #159
Huh? nt Logical Jun 2015 #26
I am the 99%! (At this particular moment, unlikely to last long.) nt Codeine Jun 2015 #28
I wish I was more Cautious, Courteous, and Congenial . Here's to those who are !!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #29
some people are more active and passionate Kali Jun 2015 #30
Attaboy DU libodem Jun 2015 #31
The Milquetoast Mountebank rides again. SixString Jun 2015 #32
Lol. pintobean Jun 2015 #35
LOL WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #49
64 now. SixString Jun 2015 #50
Now that's funny pscot Jun 2015 #80
He insults some of the best posters on DU, but he likes to do that. Rex Jun 2015 #89
He insults the intelligence of anyone who reads his tripe. SixString Jun 2015 #116
Well some people like to feel good about themselves and also have someone else to look down on. Rex Jun 2015 #149
! whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #100
This post was hidden by jury, locked by hosts, Unliked by MineralMan, and ROFL-smilied by SidDithers pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #145
... SixString Jun 2015 #163
Prove it. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #33
I was also wondering where the data were derived MNBrewer Jun 2015 #47
Well some of them as a metric ton of self-deleted OPs! BeanMusical Jun 2015 #36
MineralMan Diclotican Jun 2015 #37
That is kind of a misleading statistic don't you think? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #38
I have a hidden post. I didn't insult anyone. someone didn't like my.source. am I one of the bad 1%? Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #39
DU's 99% will never know the feeling of being an outlaw badass, yeah? Chan790 Jun 2015 #41
Thanks mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #42
99% were never freepers either n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #43
Does trolling there count? n/t Kennah Jun 2015 #51
Ha! Yep. Just what I was thinking, too. closeupready Jun 2015 #104
99% of DU's members don't post. Dumbest post of the year. nt madinmaryland Jun 2015 #44
Sometimes, I miss tru. pintobean Jun 2015 #45
Try To Be More Literal, Mad ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #130
Well I have 3 hides in my transparency page PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #48
I have had one post hidden MissDeeds Jun 2015 #68
The 99% shouldn't be obsessed with alerting. That's not very politically liberal. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #52
99% of DUers never owned slaves Kennah Jun 2015 #53
Most likely due to the fact that 95% of DU'ers don't post commentary... eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #54
I try to get along. When someone doesn't like something I said, I usually delete my thread to stop LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #55
Over 7000 posts and not a single one hidden. Exilednight Jun 2015 #56
Alerted! Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #92
I'm a rebel like that. Exilednight Jun 2015 #98
Locking - Appeal to Civility AngryAmish Jun 2015 #57
Made up statistics to support the status quo. 99Forever Jun 2015 #58
Dude, I had a one-word post hidden. malthaussen Jun 2015 #59
this is true. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #66
He knows. Rex Jun 2015 #150
Where did you come up with your 1% vs 99% theory? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #60
Same place the other 99% theory came from, actually. MineralMan Jun 2015 #61
Well it's good to know how scientific it all is... R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #63
I am fairly new to the DU, but I have learned pdq as to who likes Tipperary Jun 2015 #62
I've learned some threads have a crew of bodyguards alerting on everything they can that disagrees.. bettyellen Jun 2015 #64
I have no idea. I don't get to see any alerts other MineralMan Jun 2015 #65
I only know because people have PMd me about alerts they thought were crap... bettyellen Jun 2015 #67
I've gotten those a few times, too, but it's rare. MineralMan Jun 2015 #70
Just gonna say this, MineralMan Proud Public Servant Jun 2015 #69
That's very kind of you to say. MineralMan Jun 2015 #72
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #75
Sounds like a great way to run a plantation. No gettin' uppity. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2015 #71
Now, that's a class war frame that everyone can/should agree with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #73
I agree Gothmog Jun 2015 #76
I had one hidden post very early on. If that makes me a 1 percent does that mean guillaumeb Jun 2015 #77
meta thread. Maybe it should be hidden or frozen? samsingh Jun 2015 #78
There's no prohibition on threads that don't complain about DU. MineralMan Jun 2015 #79
99% of DU has never posted a Chuggo video, apparently. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2015 #81
Well-behaved posters rarely change history. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #82
Well, I doubt if any DU posts change history, really. MineralMan Jun 2015 #83
You do not leave it behind when you close your browser PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #132
I think it works the other way. MineralMan Jun 2015 #134
It works both ways PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #138
I've been hidden for saying various non-mainstream and controversial statements. redruddyred Jun 2015 #84
I'm calling you a bad name Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #85
Thanks, I think. juajen Jun 2015 #87
LOL! Like you can speak for this place! Rex Jun 2015 #88
I speak only for myself. MineralMan Jun 2015 #90
Then why insult people here with your post? Rex Jun 2015 #91
I'm insulting nobody, Rex. MineralMan Jun 2015 #93
Nonsense you meant to insult a lot of people on DU and you did and not in a clever way. Rex Jun 2015 #94
Mark the date Rex pintobean Jun 2015 #96
Well you know what that means. Rex Jun 2015 #97
Me 3 - or perhaps 99 - or who knows. closeupready Jun 2015 #106
He just makes up stuff off the top of his head, where is the link that shows Rex Jun 2015 #128
What is your definition of 'attacking'? polly7 Jun 2015 #99
LOL...he waited til his one hide was gone then posted this. Rex Jun 2015 #101
It is always possible to point out that a post is wrong-headed MineralMan Jun 2015 #103
I don't think many people here at all call names. polly7 Jun 2015 #108
And yet, most DUers never have a post hidden. MineralMan Jun 2015 #110
Responding to bull* and aggression is not 'attacking'. polly7 Jun 2015 #112
OK, polly7. I don't include myself in that 99%, either. MineralMan Jun 2015 #114
Oh I have respect for them too. polly7 Jun 2015 #117
And you know this how? Rex Jun 2015 #126
When i get my shoelaces too tight i too get a little cranky nolabels Jun 2015 #115
Haha MM you're constantly stomping out your own flaming bag of poo whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #105
There's a reason I had you on ignore for years. closeupready Jun 2015 #107
Multiple hides here and all of them for telling the truth about racism. NoJusticeNoPeace Jun 2015 #109
I guess I can consider myself in the 99% now as it has been 2 1/2 years since I've had a post hidden Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #111
Yes, I think so, too. MineralMan Jun 2015 #113
I hope *this* doesn't get hidden, but here's what shows on MY Transparency Page: Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #118
You can show anything you want from your own profile. I can't imagine that there's any problem MineralMan Jun 2015 #119
Thank you, too, MineralMan.. I know sometime in the past that you and I had some differences of Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #122
I can't remember, either. People on DU often disagree MineralMan Jun 2015 #123
I don't think I have a hidden post yet. Xyzse Jun 2015 #120
You're like the vast majority of DUers, then. MineralMan Jun 2015 #121
Yay, for Not Standing Out! Xyzse Jun 2015 #125
((99%)) blm Jun 2015 #124
Nice Thread MM ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #127
Thanks. But thanks really belong to all of those people MineralMan Jun 2015 #129
I've Had Two Posts Hidden ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #131
freedom of speech is not for speech you agree with ;but speech you don't captainarizona Jun 2015 #133
OK. I agree with that. However, this is a privately-owned forum MineralMan Jun 2015 #135
that makes their responsibility even greater captainarizona Jun 2015 #137
That may be true, but.... philosslayer Jun 2015 #148
Well-Behaved Women Seldom Make History ozone_man Jun 2015 #136
Yes, because conformity and following the rules is what being a Progressive is all about philosslayer Jun 2015 #139
On this forum, progressives can be civil. This is Democratic MineralMan Jun 2015 #140
And "civility" is based on the judgement of 7 anonymous people philosslayer Jun 2015 #144
Come on. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #141
I snarked at a troll. I suck. cyberswede Jun 2015 #146
Here let me help you with that... Rex Jun 2015 #147
DU is like a lot of things. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #151
I have only ever had one... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #152
Can I get in the 99% on only 1 hidden post? C'mon that's not too shabby. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #153
NO SOUP FOR YOU! Rex Jun 2015 #155
Damn it, I wanted the soup! Vichyssoise, on a hot summer day! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #156
Great, I'm finally in the 1 percent. bigwillq Jun 2015 #157
I've had several posts locked. I apologize for nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #161
I'm a 1%er ellisonz Jun 2015 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author SixString Jun 2015 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #165
Does this supposed 99% include the people who never post? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #167
99% Meta pintobean Jun 2015 #168
"Cleverly" disguised form of a HappyMe Jun 2015 #169
I love the use of quotes pintobean Jun 2015 #170
The other thread have been locked. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #173
And 100% pompous bullshit. n/t. SixString Jun 2015 #171
+1 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #172
Welcome to the 1%. SixString Jun 2015 #174

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. Absolutely
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

There are a lot of people who don't live to piss off everyone they come across.

I've been here since 2004 and had one hide. I knew I was going to get it...If I had to do it again I probably would have done it again but that was an aberration.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
4. Almost everyone tries to get along
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015

on DU. That's what I've noticed. 99% is about right. Only a small group tries not to.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
142. The hard liners
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

Everyone's got'em. The hardcore people who are so into their message that they don't hear anything else. At least from my experience anyway.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. More importantly, the 99% of DU do not wear a time out as a badge.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

And those who do celebrate times out or PPR's are part of the problem. And personal attacks are inexcusable, no matter what ones opinion.

Thank you MM.
R&

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
21. Just best to bite your tongue and use ignore.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jun 2015

Last week i put 20 of my detractors on ignore. It became clear i was their target and i decided it is not worth getting myself upset because of their issues.

I hope i stick with it this time.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
46. Don't get down on yourself.....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jun 2015

and if it was that bad, don't let them out until after the election.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
160. Anyone on DU
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

who has 20 detractors (that they know of) is probably doing something that warrants self-examination.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. I try to hold my tongue ...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

most times, I am successful ... But every now and again, I fail. And, in most of those failures, I am deeply ashamed (that I got so sucked in).

Funny MM should post THIS OP today! ... As I was driving in to work, I decided to test driving a new M.O. I will be doing more reading and less typing in threads where I disagree ... And, I will not be responding to ANY post addressed to me that I find offensive, personal, or, that I believe has deliberately taken what I wrote to the "left side."

Number23

(24,544 posts)
9. What if you've gotten hides but never had a timeout?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

Or what if you got a shit ton of hides, like well into the teens and to the point where people could see that over ONE HUNDRED Duers were ignoring you, but you straightened your act before the admins created the rule that five hidden posts meant that you couldn't post?

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
11. I don't know. I've been here for almost seven years.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jun 2015

I've had a few hidden posts in that time. I've learned from each of them. Haven't had one for quite some time now.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
18. I just had my 1st hidden post a month or 2 ago
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

At the time I thought it was totally uncalled for, but I learned from it. You have to account for the thin-skinned folks here on DU. Not everyone was raised in a totally secular and liberal/progressive environment as I, born and raised in Madison, WI, sometimes called "The People's Republic of Madison", or "78 square miles surrounded by reality", or "The Berkeley of the Midwest". I've usually had good intent, but sometimes poor delivery.

Anyhow, of the 1% slackers, many of us are just a month or 2 from paying our penance, and rejoining civil DU society!

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
143. "You have to account for the thin-skinned folks here on DU"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jun 2015

I've had exactly one hide, and this is the lesson I learned from it, too.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
16. I guess we have to wait until we have none
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

and we can start our own horn tooting thread.

Don't sweat it Number23, you're in my 1%.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
95. MM is not near as clever as he thinks he is.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

Sad that so many people fall for it hook line and sinker.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
102. Agree. I had him on ignore for years until recently.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jun 2015

For reasons I won't go into at the moment.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
23. Sometimes ones post has nothing to do with them getting a hidden post
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

sometimes all you have to do is cross the wrong person and get a bad jury pool. I know I've been there.
I try my damnedest to not and only have had a couple in all the years I've been here.
Most times I'll just walk away

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
25. Here's to the friendly folks.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jun 2015

The ones who listen. The ones who try and learn. The ones who try and read another person's post from their point of view. The ones who go out for a walk or take a break from DU or even edit or delete their post if it's attacking the other person. The ones who don't freak out from constructive criticism or a somewhat different viewpoint.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
158. The ones who try and read another person's post from their point of view
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jun 2015

Ha...too much work. It's easier to go with your first instinct...defensive!

Great post BTW, and this is something I really need to keep in mind.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
159. Hah!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jun 2015

Hey, what's it to you? It's not like you're some big shot expert or anything. I mean where do you get off talking like that. Let's burn more bridges! More I tells ya more!

Seriously:

Why thank you.

That was very kind of you passiveporcupine.

I hope you enjoy a wonderful evening!

Kali

(55,019 posts)
30. some people are more active and passionate
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jun 2015

others are really disrupting trolls.

I am sitting here with 3 at the moment - the most I have ever had at one time. I am a little embarrassed but I am also not that active in GD where tempers can rise over stuff people care about.

edit - this feels a little meta-ish

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
89. He insults some of the best posters on DU, but he likes to do that.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jun 2015

Such a one trick pony is he.

SixString

(1,057 posts)
116. He insults the intelligence of anyone who reads his tripe.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jun 2015

119 recs.

The gullibility is amazing.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
149. Well some people like to feel good about themselves and also have someone else to look down on.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jun 2015

So the OP kills to shitbirds with one stone. I agree, it also was meant to make all the old timers here feel like shit - which it did, I already heard about it in a PM - so mission accomplished for MM.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
145. This post was hidden by jury, locked by hosts, Unliked by MineralMan, and ROFL-smilied by SidDithers
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

The hosts recommended re-posting in the Animal/Vegetable/MineralMan dungeon.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
37. MineralMan
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jun 2015

MineralMan

Never had any post hidden - even if sentiment sometimes got high - and for the most part, it was the other party who got into insults... I guess my english is not that good yet, so I can insult anyone on their own terms... Sometimes it is a good thing to not be to good in a language...

Diclotican

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
38. That is kind of a misleading statistic don't you think?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It is like saying that most auto accidents happen near the home.

Of course most auto-accidents happen near the home! That is where we drive most of the time!

Similarly, of course DU's 99% don't have hides....because most of those 99% never post or only make a handful of posts and never post again. DU has over 200k+ members. I don't see 200k+posts a day on DU.

Besides, I will wear my hide with pride. Anyone claiming god will damn all transsexuals and liberals to hell deserves getting told to F-off.[/font]

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
41. DU's 99% will never know the feeling of being an outlaw badass, yeah?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015


I'm kind of proud of my antisocial behavior and my hide; my bad attitude and my unwillingness to play nice; my refusal to lie down and let bad Democrats go unchallenged in seeking office. Here's to DU's 1%!
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
104. Ha! Yep. Just what I was thinking, too.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jun 2015

I suppose there is the fact that MM fessed up to that, AND his ugly history there.

STILL, neither you nor I ever joined or contributed, and I certainly have a less-than-zero interest in what they are talking about.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
48. Well I have 3 hides in my transparency page
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jun 2015
ZERO of them are personal attacks or against DU's TOS. Every one was just a view on controversial subjects that certain groups do not like to hear.
 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
68. I have had one post hidden
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jun 2015

It was for using the "b" word. Strangely enough, I've seen it used many times since then with apparently no problem. There was even a thread on the front page recently with the word in its subject line.



LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
55. I try to get along. When someone doesn't like something I said, I usually delete my thread to stop
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:21 AM
Jun 2015

the arguing.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
58. Made up statistics to support the status quo.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jun 2015

How very droll.

And unsurprising.

I'll take one sometimes gruff person with actual passion for what they believe in over 99 spineless go along to get alongs, anytime.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
59. Dude, I had a one-word post hidden.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jun 2015

It was neither vulgar nor invective. The Jury System is quite arbitrary.

-- Mal

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
64. I've learned some threads have a crew of bodyguards alerting on everything they can that disagrees..
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:47 AM
Jun 2015

Some threads think they're more equal than others.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
65. I have no idea. I don't get to see any alerts other
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

than the ones where I'm called to the jury. Personally, I alert pretty rarely. I'd rather comment in the thread, instead. I do sometimes alert on ugly personal attacks on others, but almost never if the attack is directed at me.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
67. I only know because people have PMd me about alerts they thought were crap...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jun 2015

And some were. Depends on the jury- many react to the people involved and not the content.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
70. I've gotten those a few times, too, but it's rare.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

I have no idea how often my posts get alerted. It's not that interesting to me.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
69. Just gonna say this, MineralMan
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

I don't post all that much, but I lurk here a lot -- and not only do I agree with your assessment, I think you lead this place in keeping it as cordial, and welcoming as it is. You're a class act, sir. Kudos to you!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
77. I had one hidden post very early on. If that makes me a 1 percent does that mean
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jun 2015

I must vote Republican? That hidden post was an attempt at humor that I did not specifically identify as humorous, but there is no "tone of voice" in written comments.

But seriously, great post and observation. Although I have read posts from some here who can get quite personal,is that a function or reflection of this (DU) being considered a safe haven by people who do not wish to publicly speak out on issues where they live?

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
79. There's no prohibition on threads that don't complain about DU.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

This thread is a celebration of the vast majority of DUers who discuss things here without being disruptive. It's a positive thread about DU. I suppose this thread was alerted to the forum hosts, but they appear not to think it is disruptive meta. It certainly was not intended to be, either.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
83. Well, I doubt if any DU posts change history, really.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jun 2015

It's just a discussion forum. Activism changes history. Posting on Internet forums about politics doesn't seem to do that, I think.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
132. You do not leave it behind when you close your browser
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jun 2015

You take DU into the world with you every time you step outside.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
134. I think it works the other way.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jun 2015

I bring my experience in the world with me when I come to DU.

I rarely think of DU except when I'm online on DU. That's a lot of time, but DU doesn't follow me around, really.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
84. I've been hidden for saying various non-mainstream and controversial statements.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

DU is where you go to agree with people, I guess. conflicts are viewed as a priori negative, which shouldn't be the case. people get very upset about 'third way or not third way', which is unfortunate. now that primaries are coming up, maybe more to do with specific candidates. there are always some snide and unnecessary ad hominem posts about "those people doing that", seems like it would take an extraordinary effort to keep count.

a good place to avoid social darwinists and hate speech, but I think there's more room for diversity of opinion.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
85. I'm calling you a bad name
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

just so that I can become a one percenter.


IMO it's far easier to get a post hidden here for a mild personal insult than for RW nonsense. Too often the former is viewed as a personal attack without regard to the context and the latter is viewed as a difference of opinion without considering that this is supposed to be a board for center to left Democratic politics.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
88. LOL! Like you can speak for this place!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

How insulting to be lectured by someone like you. Oh well I see some people took the bait...sad as that is. So you are saying Sid is not part of the 99%? NanceG is not part of the 99%? Will Pitt?

This is just one of a thousand Nanny posts by MM on DU and is insulting to the people it is intended to insult.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
90. I speak only for myself.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

I'm celebrating all those on DU who participate without having posts hidden. I think that's wonderful.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
93. I'm insulting nobody, Rex.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jun 2015

I'm congratulating DUers who manage to be here and contribute without attacking. I'm very sorry you misunderstood my post.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
94. Nonsense you meant to insult a lot of people on DU and you did and not in a clever way.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jun 2015

But that is you to a T.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
97. Well you know what that means.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jun 2015

Dunno what state you are in, but buy a lotto ticket...one of us is going to win!

EDIT - the day I believe Sid or Nance or Pitt are NOT part of the 99%...well that day will never come.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
128. He just makes up stuff off the top of his head, where is the link that shows
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

99% of us don't have any hidden posts. Nowhere and he knows this and just stirs and stirs and stirs. Same shit, different year.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
99. What is your definition of 'attacking'?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jun 2015

How about being angry at bigotry or lies or hatred or bullying and replying and getting a post hidden for it?

Not all of us are able to passively accept things that should make most people here angry/ashamed to see and sometimes slip up while answering to it. If only we all had your self-control.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
101. LOL...he waited til his one hide was gone then posted this.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jun 2015

Trust me, it is not worth it to engage this person.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
103. It is always possible to point out that a post is wrong-headed
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

or offensive without name-calling or any other such thing. By the same token, it's easy to explain why one dislikes a candidate or someone in office without using vile language in reference to that candidate. Name-calling is an attack. Refuting someone's post is not attacking the person. It is going after a position.

Posts on DU that are not direct quotes are the opinion of the poster, in almost all cases. It's not an attack to say why a post is wrong, or even offensive. It is an attack if you call the poster an ugly name. Discuss the post, not the poster, and you'll avoid personal attacks. It's simple.

It's not about being passive or ignoring things people say. It's about discussing issues rather than personalities of posters on DU. Do I get angry at poster? Sure. When that happens, I look for a way to be angry at what was said. Even then, I try to moderate my language to avoid the appearance of directly attacking the person. Is it a matter of control? Yes. A brief pause to reflect on what I want to say is all that's required.

I've had maybe half a dozen posts hidden out of the 73,000 some posts I've made here. It's been a while since the last one. In almost all cases, it was because I posted in haste and without enough thought. Each of those occasions was one of feeling shame. I can do better than that. I should do better than that. I try very hard to do better than that.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
108. I don't think many people here at all call names.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

Most, I believe, get posts hidden for the exact same reason you did - "it was because I posted in haste and without enough thought." - usually responding to something that was personally insulting (name-calling or ugly call-outs that weren't even alerted on) or for something they found especially offensive, ie. bigotry, bullying, etc.

"Posts on DU that are not direct quotes are the opinion of the poster, in almost all cases. It's not an attack to say why a post is wrong, or even offensive. It is an attack if you call the poster an ugly name. Discuss the post, not the poster, and you'll avoid personal attacks. It's simple. " - very, very rarely happens. People get upset by things just as they would if someone said the same to their face in real life, and they reply back sometimes in anger - "in haste and without enough thought". We're human, not robots.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
110. And yet, most DUers never have a post hidden.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jun 2015

I have had a few, as I said, and was ashamed of myself for each. Most DUers have never had a post hidden. I celebrate them. That's what this post is about. That some take it as something else is something I cannot change. I'm striving never to post at the time I am upset or angry, but to wait until I can post reasonably and without attacking the other poster. A little time does the trick, along with a bit of thought about how to write in a way I will not be ashamed of later.

My goal is never to have another post hidden. I'm human, too, but I'm trying my best not to say ugly things to people.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
112. Responding to bull* and aggression is not 'attacking'.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not at all ashamed of some of my hides, they were well deserved - to trolls who were later banned. I guess I'm not someone who is always able to tolerate crap that is specifically meant to hurt and ridicule without a li'l anger. Oh well .......... I'll be in the 1% hell-pit with those others.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
114. OK, polly7. I don't include myself in that 99%, either.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jun 2015

I remember each and every post I've written that was hidden. I'm ashamed of them. I could have done much better in each case. My record has been clean for quite a while. I intend to keep it that way. Still, I have great respect for those who always post civilly. Hence this thread.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
117. Oh I have respect for them too.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

I was just responding to your claim, I believe, that all hides are attacks. Sometimes they're just human response to plain ignorance. None of us are perfect. But definitely, yes, absolute props to those who are able to be civil in all cases.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
115. When i get my shoelaces too tight i too get a little cranky
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jun 2015

Like it's just sort of Raw-raw post, should we really take it all so seriously?

Like i have only been hanging around here since 02,

.......... so anything that happened before that i have no opinion on

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
105. Haha MM you're constantly stomping out your own flaming bag of poo
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jun 2015

Dude, you're supposed to leave it at someone else's doorstep

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
111. I guess I can consider myself in the 99% now as it has been 2 1/2 years since I've had a post hidden
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:51 PM
Jun 2015

Most of the ones that were hidden before that were to 3 other members, 2 which are now banned and the other doesn't post here anymore, that I have seen, but is still active.

Peace,

Ghost

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
113. Yes, I think so, too.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jun 2015

Frankly, since hidden posts disappear from profiles after 90 days, I think it's only fair to look at that. As individual DUers, we all know if we have had posts hidden. The admins of this site only show the number of hidden posts in member's profiles for 90 days. I think that's a very good decision. Clearly, anyone who has a clean record here for three months is trying hard to post in a civil manner. Full credit to them, I think.

I remember every hidden post I have had. I know why each was hidden. I have tried never to repeat the fault. I don't put myself in the 99% I mentioned, because I remember those occasions. I also know many, many DUers who have never, ever written anything that was hidden. For most DUers, I have no idea, other than the numbers in their profiles. If it's clear, they're in the 99%, as far as I'm concerned.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
118. I hope *this* doesn't get hidden, but here's what shows on MY Transparency Page:
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jun 2015
Information on my Transparency page is currently not displayed to other logged-in members because I have had fewer than five posts hidden by Jury in the last 90 days.

My posts hidden by Jury in the last 90 days: 0
Days since last hidden post: 773


Looks like it's not quite 2 1/2 years, but still a little over 2 years...

I guess we're allowed to share that.. if not, will one of the hosts please contact me and I will delete it, no questions asked.... thanks in advance.

Peace,

Ghost

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
119. You can show anything you want from your own profile. I can't imagine that there's any problem
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

with that. Others can't see your transparency page on their own, though, unless you have 5 hidden posts.

Thanks for your continuing civility!

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
122. Thank you, too, MineralMan.. I know sometime in the past that you and I had some differences of
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jun 2015

opinion, but we can be civil about it and agree to disagree. I don't even remember what it was over, so it really doesn't matter, does it?



Peace,

Ghost

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
123. I can't remember, either. People on DU often disagree
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

about things. Heck, we're talking about politics, after all. It's expected.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
120. I don't think I have a hidden post yet.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

I do remember when I was new here, I really appreciated that some person PMed me when I said a certain word that could be considered derogatory or insensitive. I didn't even know at that time, since I was just being snarky and sarcastic, and thought it was understood that I was not serious.

So, I was able to edit my post and correct it.

Whomever that was, I appreciate it, since I would probably have been hidden, and would have been put off on this site from then on.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
129. Thanks. But thanks really belong to all of those people
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

who never post anything deserving of a hide.

ProfessorGAC

(65,136 posts)
131. I've Had Two Posts Hidden
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

Pretty sure and i've been here since the first few months of DU.

One was for mentioning another DU'er as an example but didn't think i was calling them out. The mods or admins disagreed.

Another was because i told someone their opinion was irrelevant to me, after they insulted me. That post got hidden too, but simply saying it was irrelevant got mine hidden.

Oh well.

 

captainarizona

(363 posts)
133. freedom of speech is not for speech you agree with ;but speech you don't
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jun 2015

When you write things everyone agrees with no problem. When you tell truth to power(even here) or say the emperor has no cloths problem! Censorship should not be a liberal value.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
135. OK. I agree with that. However, this is a privately-owned forum
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

so it's not completely open and freedom of speech doesn't really apply here. That's a common mistake people make about Internet discussion forums. I don't think there are any government owned ones, really, and freedom of speech only really applies to the government.

The owners of this place can and do restrict what people can say here.

 

captainarizona

(363 posts)
137. that makes their responsibility even greater
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jun 2015

We claim as liberals to be fair and just. That sounds more like what I here conservatives say property rights over human rights. Censorship as voltaire said before he was poisoned by a censor I disagree with every word you say ;but will defend to the death your right to say it!

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
148. That may be true, but....
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

The owners of this forum only set out the general guidelines. The posters themselves police what can stay and what gets hidden. Hence, the jury system is wildly inconsistent.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
136. Well-Behaved Women Seldom Make History
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

DU is best when lively, challenging, passionate. Otherwise it'd be a huge bore.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
140. On this forum, progressives can be civil. This is Democratic
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

Underground. Those who can't be civil here get hidden posts.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
144. And "civility" is based on the judgement of 7 anonymous people
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

And if 4 of those people decide that the post was uncivil, based on whatever biases they might have, then the post is hidden.

I have seen posts that were hidden that stated facts. Inconvenient facts, but facts nonetheless. And 4 people determined that the facts were not "civil".

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
151. DU is like a lot of things.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015

It's much more enjoyable when one doesn't take it- or oneself, for that matter- too seriously.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
155. NO SOUP FOR YOU!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

It is clearly defined in the DU Charter - more than ZERO hidden posts means you are the Best of All Posters here. No exceptions!

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
162. I'm a 1%er
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

I miss DU2. Those were the days.

try to learn from other's points of view


This isn't a debating club, it's the internet silly

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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
166. Does this supposed 99% include the people who never post?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

I got hidden once for calling a homophobe a homophobe!

This was because someone (who is now on hiatus for getting hidden too much) accused me of fondling my clientele when I took their inseam measurement. I called him a homophobe and so HE got all bent out of shape and had me hidden.


I also got a post hidden that pointed out that most gay people didn't get all hurt by gay jokes involving Linsey Graham because we knew they were highly sarcastic statements against people who even care if someone is gay or not.... like Linsey Graham... and were not homophobic. I was called a homophobe and was hidden.

So.... Hello! I'm the gay homophobe who unjustly calls others homophobes!

Getting hidden (or not getting hidden) is a ridiculous exercise that means nothing and should never be taken seriously at any time for any reason.

In the Hillary group this is enough to get BANNED!




Utterly ridiculous and meaningless.

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