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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDU' s 99% has zero hidden posts.
Its members participate in discussions, offer their opinions, and disagree with other's opinions reasonably and without personal attacks.
DU' s 99% tries hard not to insult involuntary classes of people.
It supports Democratic candidates without attacking other Democratic candidates by using vile names or distorted information.
Members of that 99% read threads and try to learn from other's points of view.
DU' s 99% doesn't get timeouts, doesn't get banned and helps to make DU the terrific discussion forum it has been since 2001.
Here's to DU' s 99%!
House of Roberts
(5,179 posts).
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)The drama just gets to me sometimes.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)There are a lot of people who don't live to piss off everyone they come across.
I've been here since 2004 and had one hide. I knew I was going to get it...If I had to do it again I probably would have done it again but that was an aberration.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)on DU. That's what I've noticed. 99% is about right. Only a small group tries not to.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Are they the remaining 1%er's?
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Everyone's got'em. The hardcore people who are so into their message that they don't hear anything else. At least from my experience anyway.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Not agreeing with you all the time but I like you.
longship
(40,416 posts)And those who do celebrate times out or PPR's are part of the problem. And personal attacks are inexcusable, no matter what ones opinion.
Thank you MM.
R&
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Thanks.
longship
(40,416 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)to posters I do not agree with.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Last week i put 20 of my detractors on ignore. It became clear i was their target and i decided it is not worth getting myself upset because of their issues.
I hope i stick with it this time.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and if it was that bad, don't let them out until after the election.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)who has 20 detractors (that they know of) is probably doing something that warrants self-examination.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)most times, I am successful ... But every now and again, I fail. And, in most of those failures, I am deeply ashamed (that I got so sucked in).
Funny MM should post THIS OP today! ... As I was driving in to work, I decided to test driving a new M.O. I will be doing more reading and less typing in threads where I disagree ... And, I will not be responding to ANY post addressed to me that I find offensive, personal, or, that I believe has deliberately taken what I wrote to the "left side."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)respectably, but miserably.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Or what if you got a shit ton of hides, like well into the teens and to the point where people could see that over ONE HUNDRED Duers were ignoring you, but you straightened your act before the admins created the rule that five hidden posts meant that you couldn't post?
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I've had a few hidden posts in that time. I've learned from each of them. Haven't had one for quite some time now.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)At the time I thought it was totally uncalled for, but I learned from it. You have to account for the thin-skinned folks here on DU. Not everyone was raised in a totally secular and liberal/progressive environment as I, born and raised in Madison, WI, sometimes called "The People's Republic of Madison", or "78 square miles surrounded by reality", or "The Berkeley of the Midwest". I've usually had good intent, but sometimes poor delivery.
Anyhow, of the 1% slackers, many of us are just a month or 2 from paying our penance, and rejoining civil DU society!
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)I've had exactly one hide, and this is the lesson I learned from it, too.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and we can start our own horn tooting thread.
Don't sweat it Number23, you're in my 1%.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sad that so many people fall for it hook line and sinker.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)For reasons I won't go into at the moment.
Unbelievable actually.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Getting along is a choice, too.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)calimary
(81,429 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)sometimes all you have to do is cross the wrong person and get a bad jury pool. I know I've been there.
I try my damnedest to not and only have had a couple in all the years I've been here.
Most times I'll just walk away
ileus
(15,396 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)The ones who listen. The ones who try and learn. The ones who try and read another person's post from their point of view. The ones who go out for a walk or take a break from DU or even edit or delete their post if it's attacking the other person. The ones who don't freak out from constructive criticism or a somewhat different viewpoint.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Ha...too much work. It's easier to go with your first instinct...defensive!
Great post BTW, and this is something I really need to keep in mind.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Hey, what's it to you? It's not like you're some big shot expert or anything. I mean where do you get off talking like that. Let's burn more bridges! More I tells ya more!
Seriously:
Why thank you.
That was very kind of you passiveporcupine.
I hope you enjoy a wonderful evening!
Logical
(22,457 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Kali
(55,019 posts)others are really disrupting trolls.
I am sitting here with 3 at the moment - the most I have ever had at one time. I am a little embarrassed but I am also not that active in GD where tempers can rise over stuff people care about.
edit - this feels a little meta-ish
libodem
(19,288 posts)We don't make this place suck.
SixString
(1,057 posts)giddyup!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I can't believe this pap has garnered nearly 65 recs.
SixString
(1,057 posts)But one is a self rec.
That one doesn't count.
In fact, I've heard it could make one go blind.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Such a one trick pony is he.
SixString
(1,057 posts)119 recs.
The gullibility is amazing.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So the OP kills to shitbirds with one stone. I agree, it also was meant to make all the old timers here feel like shit - which it did, I already heard about it in a PM - so mission accomplished for MM.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The hosts recommended re-posting in the Animal/Vegetable/MineralMan dungeon.
SixString
(1,057 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Here's to
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)MineralMan
Never had any post hidden - even if sentiment sometimes got high - and for the most part, it was the other party who got into insults... I guess my english is not that good yet, so I can insult anyone on their own terms... Sometimes it is a good thing to not be to good in a language...
Diclotican
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It is like saying that most auto accidents happen near the home.
Of course most auto-accidents happen near the home! That is where we drive most of the time!
Similarly, of course DU's 99% don't have hides....because most of those 99% never post or only make a handful of posts and never post again. DU has over 200k+ members. I don't see 200k+posts a day on DU.
Besides, I will wear my hide with pride. Anyone claiming god will damn all transsexuals and liberals to hell deserves getting told to F-off.[/font]
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)I'm kind of proud of my antisocial behavior and my hide; my bad attitude and my unwillingness to play nice; my refusal to lie down and let bad Democrats go unchallenged in seeking office. Here's to DU's 1%!
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Ii mostly read
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Kennah
(14,301 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)I suppose there is the fact that MM fessed up to that, AND his ugly history there.
STILL, neither you nor I ever joined or contributed, and I certainly have a less-than-zero interest in what they are talking about.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts)Sheesh
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)It was for using the "b" word. Strangely enough, I've seen it used many times since then with apparently no problem. There was even a thread on the front page recently with the word in its subject line.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Kennah
(14,301 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)the arguing.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Clearly against DU's TOS.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)How very droll.
And unsurprising.
I'll take one sometimes gruff person with actual passion for what they believe in over 99 spineless go along to get alongs, anytime.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)It was neither vulgar nor invective. The Jury System is quite arbitrary.
-- Mal
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)This was meant to insult 99% of the people that post here on a regular basis.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Thanks for asking.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)to cause trouble and call names.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Some threads think they're more equal than others.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)than the ones where I'm called to the jury. Personally, I alert pretty rarely. I'd rather comment in the thread, instead. I do sometimes alert on ugly personal attacks on others, but almost never if the attack is directed at me.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And some were. Depends on the jury- many react to the people involved and not the content.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I have no idea how often my posts get alerted. It's not that interesting to me.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)I don't post all that much, but I lurk here a lot -- and not only do I agree with your assessment, I think you lead this place in keeping it as cordial, and welcoming as it is. You're a class act, sir. Kudos to you!
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I'm afraid I don't always live up to that, though.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Gothmog
(145,486 posts)The vast majority of DUers have no hides
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I must vote Republican? That hidden post was an attempt at humor that I did not specifically identify as humorous, but there is no "tone of voice" in written comments.
But seriously, great post and observation. Although I have read posts from some here who can get quite personal,is that a function or reflection of this (DU) being considered a safe haven by people who do not wish to publicly speak out on issues where they live?
samsingh
(17,600 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)This thread is a celebration of the vast majority of DUers who discuss things here without being disruptive. It's a positive thread about DU. I suppose this thread was alerted to the forum hosts, but they appear not to think it is disruptive meta. It certainly was not intended to be, either.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,190 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)It's just a discussion forum. Activism changes history. Posting on Internet forums about politics doesn't seem to do that, I think.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)You take DU into the world with you every time you step outside.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I bring my experience in the world with me when I come to DU.
I rarely think of DU except when I'm online on DU. That's a lot of time, but DU doesn't follow me around, really.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)You bring your world to DU and you bring DU into the world.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)DU is where you go to agree with people, I guess. conflicts are viewed as a priori negative, which shouldn't be the case. people get very upset about 'third way or not third way', which is unfortunate. now that primaries are coming up, maybe more to do with specific candidates. there are always some snide and unnecessary ad hominem posts about "those people doing that", seems like it would take an extraordinary effort to keep count.
a good place to avoid social darwinists and hate speech, but I think there's more room for diversity of opinion.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)just so that I can become a one percenter.
IMO it's far easier to get a post hidden here for a mild personal insult than for RW nonsense. Too often the former is viewed as a personal attack without regard to the context and the latter is viewed as a difference of opinion without considering that this is supposed to be a board for center to left Democratic politics.
juajen
(8,515 posts)I don't think I have ever been banned. I would cry, for sure.
Rex
(65,616 posts)How insulting to be lectured by someone like you. Oh well I see some people took the bait...sad as that is. So you are saying Sid is not part of the 99%? NanceG is not part of the 99%? Will Pitt?
This is just one of a thousand Nanny posts by MM on DU and is insulting to the people it is intended to insult.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I'm celebrating all those on DU who participate without having posts hidden. I think that's wonderful.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Because you can? Sad.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I'm congratulating DUers who manage to be here and contribute without attacking. I'm very sorry you misunderstood my post.
Rex
(65,616 posts)But that is you to a T.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)We are in agreement 100%.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Dunno what state you are in, but buy a lotto ticket...one of us is going to win!
EDIT - the day I believe Sid or Nance or Pitt are NOT part of the 99%...well that day will never come.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)MM should delete the OP.
Rex
(65,616 posts)99% of us don't have any hidden posts. Nowhere and he knows this and just stirs and stirs and stirs. Same shit, different year.
polly7
(20,582 posts)How about being angry at bigotry or lies or hatred or bullying and replying and getting a post hidden for it?
Not all of us are able to passively accept things that should make most people here angry/ashamed to see and sometimes slip up while answering to it. If only we all had your self-control.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Trust me, it is not worth it to engage this person.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)or offensive without name-calling or any other such thing. By the same token, it's easy to explain why one dislikes a candidate or someone in office without using vile language in reference to that candidate. Name-calling is an attack. Refuting someone's post is not attacking the person. It is going after a position.
Posts on DU that are not direct quotes are the opinion of the poster, in almost all cases. It's not an attack to say why a post is wrong, or even offensive. It is an attack if you call the poster an ugly name. Discuss the post, not the poster, and you'll avoid personal attacks. It's simple.
It's not about being passive or ignoring things people say. It's about discussing issues rather than personalities of posters on DU. Do I get angry at poster? Sure. When that happens, I look for a way to be angry at what was said. Even then, I try to moderate my language to avoid the appearance of directly attacking the person. Is it a matter of control? Yes. A brief pause to reflect on what I want to say is all that's required.
I've had maybe half a dozen posts hidden out of the 73,000 some posts I've made here. It's been a while since the last one. In almost all cases, it was because I posted in haste and without enough thought. Each of those occasions was one of feeling shame. I can do better than that. I should do better than that. I try very hard to do better than that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Most, I believe, get posts hidden for the exact same reason you did - "it was because I posted in haste and without enough thought." - usually responding to something that was personally insulting (name-calling or ugly call-outs that weren't even alerted on) or for something they found especially offensive, ie. bigotry, bullying, etc.
"Posts on DU that are not direct quotes are the opinion of the poster, in almost all cases. It's not an attack to say why a post is wrong, or even offensive. It is an attack if you call the poster an ugly name. Discuss the post, not the poster, and you'll avoid personal attacks. It's simple. " - very, very rarely happens. People get upset by things just as they would if someone said the same to their face in real life, and they reply back sometimes in anger - "in haste and without enough thought". We're human, not robots.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I have had a few, as I said, and was ashamed of myself for each. Most DUers have never had a post hidden. I celebrate them. That's what this post is about. That some take it as something else is something I cannot change. I'm striving never to post at the time I am upset or angry, but to wait until I can post reasonably and without attacking the other poster. A little time does the trick, along with a bit of thought about how to write in a way I will not be ashamed of later.
My goal is never to have another post hidden. I'm human, too, but I'm trying my best not to say ugly things to people.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm not at all ashamed of some of my hides, they were well deserved - to trolls who were later banned. I guess I'm not someone who is always able to tolerate crap that is specifically meant to hurt and ridicule without a li'l anger. Oh well .......... I'll be in the 1% hell-pit with those others.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I remember each and every post I've written that was hidden. I'm ashamed of them. I could have done much better in each case. My record has been clean for quite a while. I intend to keep it that way. Still, I have great respect for those who always post civilly. Hence this thread.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I was just responding to your claim, I believe, that all hides are attacks. Sometimes they're just human response to plain ignorance. None of us are perfect. But definitely, yes, absolute props to those who are able to be civil in all cases.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Right, just making stuff up to stir the pot.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Like it's just sort of Raw-raw post, should we really take it all so seriously?
Like i have only been hanging around here since 02,
.......... so anything that happened before that i have no opinion on
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Dude, you're supposed to leave it at someone else's doorstep
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I'd forgotten, but I think I remember why.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)Most of the ones that were hidden before that were to 3 other members, 2 which are now banned and the other doesn't post here anymore, that I have seen, but is still active.
Peace,
Ghost
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Frankly, since hidden posts disappear from profiles after 90 days, I think it's only fair to look at that. As individual DUers, we all know if we have had posts hidden. The admins of this site only show the number of hidden posts in member's profiles for 90 days. I think that's a very good decision. Clearly, anyone who has a clean record here for three months is trying hard to post in a civil manner. Full credit to them, I think.
I remember every hidden post I have had. I know why each was hidden. I have tried never to repeat the fault. I don't put myself in the 99% I mentioned, because I remember those occasions. I also know many, many DUers who have never, ever written anything that was hidden. For most DUers, I have no idea, other than the numbers in their profiles. If it's clear, they're in the 99%, as far as I'm concerned.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)My posts hidden by Jury in the last 90 days: 0
Days since last hidden post: 773
Looks like it's not quite 2 1/2 years, but still a little over 2 years...
I guess we're allowed to share that.. if not, will one of the hosts please contact me and I will delete it, no questions asked.... thanks in advance.
Peace,
Ghost
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)with that. Others can't see your transparency page on their own, though, unless you have 5 hidden posts.
Thanks for your continuing civility!
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)opinion, but we can be civil about it and agree to disagree. I don't even remember what it was over, so it really doesn't matter, does it?
Peace,
Ghost
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)about things. Heck, we're talking about politics, after all. It's expected.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I do remember when I was new here, I really appreciated that some person PMed me when I said a certain word that could be considered derogatory or insensitive. I didn't even know at that time, since I was just being snarky and sarcastic, and thought it was understood that I was not serious.
So, I was able to edit my post and correct it.
Whomever that was, I appreciate it, since I would probably have been hidden, and would have been put off on this site from then on.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Congratulations! Thanks for your reply.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)blm
(113,083 posts).
ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts)Disagreement without being disagreeable is a fine trait and should be praised.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)who never post anything deserving of a hide.
ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts)Pretty sure and i've been here since the first few months of DU.
One was for mentioning another DU'er as an example but didn't think i was calling them out. The mods or admins disagreed.
Another was because i told someone their opinion was irrelevant to me, after they insulted me. That post got hidden too, but simply saying it was irrelevant got mine hidden.
Oh well.
captainarizona
(363 posts)When you write things everyone agrees with no problem. When you tell truth to power(even here) or say the emperor has no cloths problem! Censorship should not be a liberal value.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)so it's not completely open and freedom of speech doesn't really apply here. That's a common mistake people make about Internet discussion forums. I don't think there are any government owned ones, really, and freedom of speech only really applies to the government.
The owners of this place can and do restrict what people can say here.
captainarizona
(363 posts)We claim as liberals to be fair and just. That sounds more like what I here conservatives say property rights over human rights. Censorship as voltaire said before he was poisoned by a censor I disagree with every word you say ;but will defend to the death your right to say it!
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The owners of this forum only set out the general guidelines. The posters themselves police what can stay and what gets hidden. Hence, the jury system is wildly inconsistent.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)DU is best when lively, challenging, passionate. Otherwise it'd be a huge bore.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)n/t
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Underground. Those who can't be civil here get hidden posts.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)And if 4 of those people decide that the post was uncivil, based on whatever biases they might have, then the post is hidden.
I have seen posts that were hidden that stated facts. Inconvenient facts, but facts nonetheless. And 4 people determined that the facts were not "civil".
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DU loves to play "hide the post". Doesn't everybody?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Here's to me!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's much more enjoyable when one doesn't take it- or oneself, for that matter- too seriously.
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)for saying something in Japanese
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014800179
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It is clearly defined in the DU Charter - more than ZERO hidden posts means you are the Best of All Posters here. No exceptions!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I miss DU2. Those were the days.
This isn't a debating club, it's the internet silly
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AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I got hidden once for calling a homophobe a homophobe!
This was because someone (who is now on hiatus for getting hidden too much) accused me of fondling my clientele when I took their inseam measurement. I called him a homophobe and so HE got all bent out of shape and had me hidden.
I also got a post hidden that pointed out that most gay people didn't get all hurt by gay jokes involving Linsey Graham because we knew they were highly sarcastic statements against people who even care if someone is gay or not.... like Linsey Graham... and were not homophobic. I was called a homophobe and was hidden.
So.... Hello! I'm the gay homophobe who unjustly calls others homophobes!
Getting hidden (or not getting hidden) is a ridiculous exercise that means nothing and should never be taken seriously at any time for any reason.
In the Hillary group this is enough to get BANNED!
Utterly ridiculous and meaningless.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)Let the call-outs roll on!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026872163
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)call out and grave dance.