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Why Rachel Dolezal is nothing like Caitlyn Jenner - LINK FIXED (Original Post) gollygee Jun 2015 OP
I'm confused. I see an ad for Famous Footwear in your link Number23 Jun 2015 #1
It has an ad for the first few seconds gollygee Jun 2015 #2
All I'm getting is an ad. TDale313 Jun 2015 #3
I wonder what's up with her family gollygee Jun 2015 #5
exactly marym625 Jun 2015 #7
Thanks. Just watched the video. TDale313 Jun 2015 #8
I'm more of a footlocker guy. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #4
LOL gollygee Jun 2015 #6
I'm confused... TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #9
Someone I know well gollygee Jun 2015 #10
A lot of people seem to feel comfortable trashing Caitlyn TDale313 Jun 2015 #11
I think the horse is out of the barn on that one Ex Lurker Jun 2015 #12
I disagree. TDale313 Jun 2015 #13
kick gollygee Jun 2015 #14

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. It has an ad for the first few seconds
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jun 2015

and then goes into the video.

Oh wait I see it didn't show up right. let me try to fix it.

Thanks - fixed!

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. All I'm getting is an ad.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jun 2015

I do want to ask a question, though. Is there a sympathetic take on Rachel Dolezal's actions? I started wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the more I hear the more her actions seem very manipulative, deceptive, and self serving. Is there a read that's more charitable?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. I wonder what's up with her family
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jun 2015

I personally think what she did was wrong and was an expression of privilege - she did it to get her some standing in her work world, but could shed that identity if she wanted to, and African Americans can't claim to be white to have an easier time getting a job and getting promotions.

However, I wonder what is up with her family and whether some dysfunction there is a major contributor. My sympathetic take would be that she wasn't coming at this from a healthy place due to her family, and with a healthier family she might have made different choices.

And the link is fixed!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. exactly
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jun 2015

And she can take the costume on and off.

Yeah, there's got to be some serious stuff going on with the family

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
8. Thanks. Just watched the video.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jun 2015

Really great take on it. And yes, I do agree that there is something going on with the relationship with the parents.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
9. I'm confused...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jun 2015

Is this video suggesting that the little boy, little girl and grown up boy are all the same person?

I would be willing to buy into that narrative if it weren't for the last image... of the little girl. It appears to me that this ad is about the grandpa, children and the passing of time as they grow older...

I could be wrong. Regardless, I appreciate your support of the LGBT, and specifically trans, community.

TYY

On edit: Nevermind. The video that was playing initially was completely different from the one that just popped into my browser. Did you change the link?... Either way, thanks again for your support of the LGBT community.



gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. Someone I know well
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jun 2015

is transitioning right now, and is not getting as much support as he should be getting. When I hear people say things about Caitlyn, what I hear in my head is the crap this young transgender man I know is getting. The world can be a cruel place.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
11. A lot of people seem to feel comfortable trashing Caitlyn
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

Because she's a public figure and they object to the whole reality TV culture, without realizing they are also talking about people like the one you know who are struggling with their own transitions. Caitlyn's story can do so much good, and is about so much more than her personally.

Ex Lurker

(3,815 posts)
12. I think the horse is out of the barn on that one
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jun 2015

Jenner is an unlikeable person who happens to be transgender. And the more people know about her, the less they like her. The Kardashian connection, the reckless driving, the lifelong attention whoring, etc. In my view, the only one who benefits from her being out front on transgender issues is Jenner herself-and her bank account.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
13. I disagree.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:00 AM
Jun 2015

I don't care all that much about Caitlyn personally, but her coming out and being open made a huge difference. It had people who never really had thought about or talked about trans issues talking and thinking about them, and I am convinced it left a lot of people struggling with their own transitions feeling less alone. I think there is a bigger picture here that has very little to do with her personally.

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