Did Elizabeth Warren just endorse Bernie Sanders?

[sabrina 1]

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I think she did!



Elizabeth Warren as Treasury Secretary in Sanders' Administration!

Now that would strike fear into the hearts of the corrupt Wall St manipulators our economy.

And Barbara Lee for VP!

Edited to add this link to her entire statement:

Eliabeth Warren Praises Bernie Sanders His Vision for America is Important for People to Hear

Friday, Warren was asked about Sanders’ presidential campaign.

“I’m glad to see him get out there and give his version of what leadership in this country should be,” Warren told the group, according to the Boston Herald. “I think that Bernie Sanders is going to play out a vision for America and that it is important for people to hear what he has to say.”

[NCTraveler]

1. Normally when someone endorses, a question mark isn't necessary.

A big endorsement it will be when she gives it. Maybe she has and I missed it. Do you have her quote?

[sabrina 1]

2. Which is why there IS a question mark. So what do you think she is saying?

[NCTraveler]

3. What do I think she is saying where?

I don't see any quote in your op that can be debated as a Presidential endorsement. Do you have the quote?

Elizabeth Warren is extremely smart and very good with her words. When she endorses someone we will all know. You won't be left scratching your head in uncertainty like you are here. Give her some credit. Then again, I haven't seen the quote yet.

[sabrina 1]

26. I have included a link to her full quote in the OP.

I asked for opinions, I know she is good with words, and I know how I interpreted her statement. She is very subtle, but as a supporter of Warren for POTUS, or Bernie, either one was fine with me, I take her statement as a subtle message to her supporters.

[NCTraveler]

30. You don't need opinions on this one. If you did.....

they are coming in very clear. " I take her statement as a subtle message to her supporters. " Her supporters don't need an education on the sentiments of Sanders. This is like some 3d chess stuff here. Decoder rings and all. They are excellent legislators on our side. They like one and other.

[sabrina 1]

64. We don't need a lot of things that occur here. Why is this getting your attention as 'something we

don't need'? It is asking for a conversation, not forcing anyone to participate. Seems to me that is what 'discussion' forums are about, conversation, discussions.

Did you go into the thread that appeared here also baiting Bernie supporters, mocking them and him also and tell that person that we don't need that kind of thing here also?

I ignored it, if people want to participate in that type of gutter sniping, that's up to them.

I stated my opinion as a SUPPORTER of WARREN for POTUS. That is what her words meant to me, that is my opinion based on how close they are on the issues, especially the corrosive influence of Wall St on this country's politics.

[NCTraveler]

67. I think you are correct to the point about my actions.

By the way, I have called out bullshit snipping at Sanders. Along with starting ops on him and commenting in ops about him. Always positive.

As to the part more directed at me. You make an overall point that is correct. I think we are all guilty of it. As I am here.

[sabrina 1]

70. Thank you for saying that, you didn't need to but I appreciate it. And yes, we are all guilty

of behavior we should know better than to engage in.

I personally do not like personal attacks on any candidate, mainly because it serves no purpose and it is not necessary if the candidate is wrong on the issues, Republicans especially are wrong on almost everything.

Anyhow, thank you for your comment, I appreciate it very much.

[sheshe2]

66. The Boston Herald

is a right leaning newspaper here. I would not put much credence in what they have to say. I never read that rag.

[sabrina 1]

85. I don't really care about the SOURCE, did she say it or not? That's all the matters and I am not

aware of the Boston Herald having a reputation for just making stuff up.

[sheshe2]

86. I am from Boston.

Yes they do have a reputation to being RW!

[sabrina 1]

99. Did she say it or not? Clearly she did, so I'm not sure why you keep talking about the source

when it is a fact, according to many other sources, that she did say what she said.

[madokie]

41. one thing I notice is

all this talk about chess, decoder rings etc. are and have been coming from Hillary supporters, obama haters many of them.

[NCTraveler]

62. I like how you bring Hillary supporters into it.

Nice. So you have the same thought on the ops understanding of this quote? No. You didn't. Just as I and pretty much everyone else. Come on now. The decoder comment wasn't harsh in anyway. If your being honest even you are scratching you head wondering how the op got to this understanding of the quote. It wasn't harsh. It really wasn't. And it has nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters. Think about this. Like myself, 90% of this board love Sanders. Most of us are pretty vocal about it. Some are extremely intense. And you are sweating the mean Hillary posters I such a passive-aggressive manner. When you are part of the 90% and doing that it's either called taunting or bullying. Don't let a minority of this board or decoder rings weigh too heavily on you.

Edit: Sabrina1 is one tough and smart person. She can dish it out and take it. Sabrina1 read the decoder ring part and got a chuckle. She posts on a lot of serious issues. This is the lighter side of Sabrina1. Clearly that is my opinion. An opinion after reading tons and tons of her posts. Even if we disagree often, her links are almost always worth reading.

[madokie]

75. Did that hurt?

so are you going to jump in her grave for her when its her time to go. Its an old saying said to someone when they jump in when their chain wasn't yanked. In case you weren't aware of what I was saying

I like how you are telling me how I think or what I am when you don't know jack shit about anything you're saying.
I notice that a lot of times when someone says something about Hillary you jump right in there. Why is that?

[NCTraveler]

76. I'm not aware of what you are saying.

Enjoy your evening Madokie.

[madokie]

77. Of course you don't

you seem to say that a lot. Why is that?

[snooper2]

4. she said he has a vision for America and let's hear what he has to say

No wait...

That's isn't essentially what she said...





She really said/meant-

"I have changed my mind and decided to run for the Democratic nomination for the 2016 Presidency!"

Oh shit, change your sig lines NOW!

[sabrina 1]

8. Yes, she did say it was important to hear what he has to say. Which is a lot different to what the

DNC spokesperson, who was it again, the Capitalist, Boyd Scott? Airc he implied that Bernie was 'crazy'. No apology so far, and since the DNC is supposed to represent US, I would think we should have seen an apology by now.

Not that Bernie needs it, but still.

And it's certainly different from Capitalist, Luis Gutierrez, who attempted to dismiss Sanders' campaign also by pretending, not very well, not to even know who he was, but referred to him as 'the socialist'. Lol, then instantly named him, perhaps realizing the smear might not work if he actually didn't know who he was.

Warren otoh, seems to disagree with these corporate tools .... good for her for saying it publicly.

[rhett o rick]

84. I thought the question mark made it obvious. nm

[lonestarnot]

5. I don't know, but I like what she said.

[hootinholler]

6. No

As much as I would like her to, that is no more an endorsement than when Hillary supporters claimed she endorsed Hillary.

Eventually, I hope her endorsement is strategically timed for maximum effect.

[still_one]

56. Absolutely. At this stage I don't think Elizabeth Warren or other majors will push too many

endorsements until all candidates throw out their views on the issues. Not much from O'Malley as of yet, and potentially other candidates may join the race

[cali]

7. no, I don't think it's even close to an endorsement but it's still great

[intheflow]

9. It's not an endorsement, though it is true.

It's important to hear what Sanders has to say.

And regardless, I would love to see Warren as Treasury Secretary. That would be awesome.

[MineralMan]

10. That's not an endorsement. It's an encouragement for people

to listen to what Sanders is saying. There is a difference. I agree with her. We should all be listening to Bernie Sanders, whether we think he will be the nominee or not.

An endorsement is saying, "I endorse Bernie Sanders for President. I'll be voting for him and think everyone should do the same."

[sabrina 1]

23. Thanks for your OPINION! Mine is different, which is fine. That is why I ASKED THE QUESTION.

Thanks for the explanation of what an 'endorsement' is. I'll try to remember that!

[MineralMan]

33. All of my posts are my opinion.

It's right there in my signature line, so I don't have to say that every time I start typing. Opinions differ. I have never seen an endorsement, though, that didn't directly state the endorser's support for the election of the endorsee. Maybe you have, but I haven't. Hence my OPINION, as you put it.

[sabrina 1]

54. I think we DUers all know what a FORMAL endorsement is. My Op was to ask for the opinions of others

on my OPINION was stated in the OP, that it was an informal endorsement. The Question Mark in the title I assumed, made that clear.

[MineralMan]

80. Exactly. I answered your question.

[Jefferson23]

11. She has to go all the way...no ambiguity. I do appreciate her statement regardless. K&R

Every little bit helps.

[brooklynite]

12. I see...this is a fantasy post

You want the two most liberal people to run as a ticket, likely losing 48-49 States.

And what Warren did was endorse Bernie's running; just like she did for Hillary:

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific,"

[sabrina 1]

28. You are ignoring the fact that this is a Left leaning nation according to every poll

on the issues that has been taken. This is why Dems are losing, they lost the House and the Senate BECAUSE of that kind of thinking.

Bernie knows, and so does Warren, who btw merely signed a petition re Hillary, her statement on Bernie now linked to in the OP, was made in response to a question about his campaign. And so do WE the American people who we know, are routinely dismissed by the totally out of touch DC insiders.

[brooklynite]

51. This is a CENTER-LEFT leaning nation when it comes to voting

[sabrina 1]

69. No it is not. That is why so many Dems are now registered Independents, because your claim

that people vote for Center Left candidates, (more like Third Way which is far from anything 'left of center') WAS true due to the fact that they were never given a choice. And when there was a choice, the Leadership NEVER FAILED to support the Third Way/Blue Dogs OVER The candidates preferred by the voters.

During the Bush era that pushing of not popular candidates with a 'd' after names worked, for a while, because of the FEAR of Bush.

So the leadership mistook that (I know, I and many others I know participated in it) for actual support when all it was 'lesser evil' 'hold your nose' type voting.

And the lesson learned is that it was a very bad strategy for the people.

Which is why they lost the House and Senate after refusing to listen to the people.

And why Hillary is no longer 'inevitable' and why you are seeing the rapid rise of a candidate who speaks for all those who for so long had to 'settle' on almost every issue.

Seriously, I've said it before, but whoever the leadership is hiring as 'experts' are so out of touch that they are feeling ambushed by the rapidly growing popularity of Bernie Sanders who they dismissed as irrelevant, when in fact they should have expected it.

IF the dem party is smart, they will embrace this candidate, but the current leadership has never shown itself to be knowledgeable about the American people.

[JonLP24]

96. LOL -- middle class voters would be scared of Warren on a ticket with Sanders

Oh no! they'll be screaming. "Protect Wall-Street" will bring in the GOP a landslide, it will knock "Hope" and "Change" out of the park.

[pnwmom]

13. That's your wishful thinking. She has also written a letter urging Hillary Clinton to run.

But she hasn't endorsed either one.

[polichick]

15. Did she write it, or just sign it with the other Senators?

[pnwmom]

19. If she signed it, she meant it. (I'm not aware who exactly penned it. But it doesn't matter.) n/t

[sabrina 1]

25. I have included a link to Warren't statement about Bernie in the OP. Could you link to her

statement about Hillary?

[zappaman]

32. Sure, it's pretty easy to find

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

Warren is a favorite among many liberal Democrats, and the release of her new book, "A Fighting Chance," has stoked speculation that she may consider a presidential run in 2016. Warren has repeatedly insisted she will not run for president.

"I'm not running for president. I'm not running for president. I'm not running for president." Warren said in a series of video clips shown prior to the interview.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

[pnwmom]

53. Thanks, zappaman!

[sabrina 1]

58. The link is in the OP, there are several sources to the link. And google works just fine, however I

included the link for those who are not familiar with Google. Thanks for your assistance also.

[NCTraveler]

22. Signed it with other Senators. nt.

[Art_from_Ark]

34. She signed it just after becoming a Senator, in early 2013

A lot of things have changed since then.

[polichick]

61. 2013 - thanks, quite a while ago.

[polichick]

60. Thanks - then it's the one I remember.

[Exilednight]

16. No, but when she speaks people listen. Maybe this will het

More people to pay attention.

[whatchamacallit]

17. I sure hope so

Even if it's not an outright endorsment, I love her giving Bernie a shout out.

[sabrina 1]

31. It's not an outright endorsement, but imo, a subtle message to her supporters to pay attention to

his campaign. I have included the full quote in the OP now, as people seemed to think I made it up! Lol!

[dlwickham]

59. did she do the nod and a wink thing when she said it

or maybe she held up a sign saying to vote for Sanders when she said it

I have a box of straws handy if you need something to clutch

[sabrina 1]

63. Have you compared her Senate voting record to Bernie's by any chance? Just asking, I note the

attempt at 'snark' in your comment, but not much substance. Snark is so '90s, people are taking the future of this country VERY SERIOUSLY.

If snark is all you have to offer, I take it you have nothing to say on actual issues. Both Bernie and Elizabeth are fighting Wall St so it is more than likely that HE speaks more for HER than any other candidate in the race right now.

And that is MY opinion, it is a subtle wink and nod, to use your phraseology to her supporters, 'go take a look at Bernie, he has a vision for this country worth your attention.

And as someone who is/was a Warren supporter, that is how I took it.

[JonLP24]

97. She is a little left of Sanders

On Govtrack which rates a variety of Senate behaviors but not for their votes.

ADA is probably the best for liberal ratings on votes. Bernie Sanders recently came in with a 100 (one of 7 or maybe 4) while Warren had a 90.

In terms of policies she is much closer to Sanders than she is to Hillary Clinton.

[sheshe2]

18. Aaaaaaah

No.

[L0oniX]

82. "it is important for people to hear what he has to say" - Don't have too much of a sad over that.

[sheshe2]

83. The comment I made was about the Op, LOonix.

I said no to Sabrina, Warren is not stating that she is endorsing him.

I am not having a sad over it. I was stating a fact. My Senator did not endorse Bernie.

Fact.

[fadedrose]

20. Not too many females in govt I like more

than either Barbara Lee or Elizabeth Warren..in fact, not any, present and former (except Eleanor Roosevelt)...

[Art_from_Ark]

38. I liked Bella Abzug, and Shirley Chisholm

I even liked Margaret Chase Smith
http://history.house.gov/People/Detail/21866

[Go Vols]

39. Ann Richards?

I really liked her.

[onenote]

21. Nope. She didn't endorse Bernie. She didn't endorse Hillary. She didn't endorse O'Malley

I suspect that if she was asked whether Hillary and/or O'Malley also have things to say that are important for America to hear, she'd answer, of course they do.

[sabrina 1]

40. She is far more in sync with Bernie on the issues than she is with Hillary, as Bernie's support

for her initiatives in the Senate have shown, re Wall St. Airc he said of one of the Wall St amendments she presented, 'the only thing I don't like about about this is that Elizabeth proposed it, rather than me'

Of course it's not an open endorsement, but it is an important statement to her own supporters, of which I am/was one, that Bernie is a great alternative to her and she believes he has the right vision for this country.

[onenote]

71. How do you think she'd answer the question

"Do HRC and O'Malley also have things to say that should be heard by all Americans"?

[sabrina 1]

91. I'm sure she would say 'yes' and I would agree with her. What I did NOT agree with

before Bernie announced, was the notion, being pushed by some of Hillary's supporters, that only she was a legitimate candidate, and AFTER his announcement, that his only purpose might be to move her more to the Left.

It was arrogant to assume that the country had only one candidate who was 'qualified' as we were being told frequently to run for that office.

Bernie has now proven that to be grossly incorrect and that alone is good for this democracy which is shrinking year by year. He has put an end to that particular anti-democratic notion.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. In a sense.

Sanders' goal in running is to pull the discussion to the left, not to win.

This is a fairly explicit endorsement of that goal.

[sabrina 1]

36. Bernie is in this to WIN IT. Make no mistake about that, he has repeatedly stated that

fact and he will win. Why? Because as soon as people get to know him, they want him in the WH. Polls jumping from 3% in Jan when he was an unknown entity to most Americans to now, 32% as more people get to know him, should erase any doubt that he means it when it says he intends to win.


There is no way you can 'drag' anyone to the 'left'. Campaign rhetoric may be forced to the Left, but we are not stupid regarding those whose voting records show otherwise, suddenly emulating someone whose record is long and consistent on the issues.

That is one of the least likely reasons for someone as intelligent as Sanders to put himself through this. Makes no sense at all

[Art_from_Ark]

55. This ^^^

[tazkcmo]

46. Where did you get that?

Love to see your source for that assertion but I'm pretty sure where you pulled it from.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. I don't think Sanders is a fool.

It is obvious that he is not going to win (see, for example, http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-president-announcement-liberal-alternative-2016-democratic-primary/); I assume he's aware of that. He'd have to be implausibly naive not to be.

[Autumn]

88. Sanders' goal in running is

to win and he will win.

[WDIM]

27. EW for VEEP!

[JDPriestly]

29. Barbara Lee for VP?

We can dream, but the reality is that California is a true blue state and won't be in play. So the VP probably won't be from California. The VP will probably be from a less reliably Democratic state. Too bad, but that is my guess.

[RufusTFirefly]

47. How about Tammy Baldwin?

Wisconsin is a battleground state and a Baldwin vice presidency would break through two barriers.

[JDPriestly]

57. I don't know her views well enough.

The vice president is the president's insurance policy.

LBJ although a great person in many respects was from a segment of the Democratic Party that was somewhat estranged from the Kennedy segment. We saw how that worked.

Obama was wise to pick Joe Biden. The Republicans and other interests preferred Obama to Biden.

Sanders will need to pick a VP candidate who is liked by the people but not liked by the oligarchs.

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

35. I'm not sure if this is an endorsement but I am sure

that Warren shares far more ideas that will improve the lives of Amercians with Sanders rather than with Clinton.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Here's what will happen when she does officially endorse

If for Hillary -

Sanders supporters will be like "Bummer' we coulda used her cred"
Clinton supporters will tout it as a profound endorsement and rub everyone's nose in it forever

If for Bernie -

Sanders supporters will be like "Awesome, glad to have it"
Clinton supporters will proceed to savagely defame and marginalize her

[sabrina 1]

43. Lol! you're probably right. I believe she won't outright endorse anyone until it looks like they

are the clear nominee. However, she and Bernie are far closer on the issues and always have been, than she and Hillary, especially on Wall St which is one of the most important issues now in this campaign.

I took her praise of Bernie as a subtle endorsement. I cannot imagine she agrees with Hillary on Wall St at all, it is everything she has fought against.

[SoapBox]

45. I agree...

Can't imagine her standing side by side, holding hands, arms raised with HRC.

Bernie yes...HRC no.

[JoePhilly]

78. Warren won't endorse during the primary.

[BrotherIvan]

79. Profoundly true

We're at the stage of the "tone" argument on DU as a way to fend off the truth.

[Oilwellian]

42. It's not an endorsement, but...

it will certainly bring more attention to Bernie's message.

[sabrina 1]

44. Which I think was her intent.

[MisterP]

49. but isn't Clinton the closest thing we have to FDR these days?

[NorthCarolina]

50. That's pretty darn close to an endorsement it seems to me.

She didn't use the words "I endorse"...but then again she wasn't making a campaign commercial either so it might not be as likely to appear in normal conversation.

[AtomicKitten]

52. Not yet.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

65. no. she didn't. n/t

[kenfrequed]

68. There is a strong chance that she will

But that time has not come yet.

She is giving him a bit more positive new time though and fueling the 'will she or won't she' thing a bit more for the pundits.

[winter is coming]

72. No, but I'm guessing the Clinton campaign still wishes Warren hadn't said it. n/t

[Javaman]

73. the non-endorcement endorsement.

a few months back Warren had a secret pow-wow with Hillary.

things were said.

we don't know what they were.

but I have a feeling that Hillary made Warren some promises if she gets in.

Warren is now playing both sides of the fence.

Don't get me wrong, I wish Warran had run rather than Hillary.

And since she didn't i support Bernie.

[sabrina 1]

74. I'm glad it was Bernie rather than Warren at this point. Smears against Warren had already begun,

such as 'she was a Republican until .....' etc.

But all the smears aimed at Bernie so far have only served to make him even more popular because we can point to his long, long record on the issues which is indisputably Progressive on almost every issue.

Had Warren run, this would have been a recurring theme, 'she was a Repub who voted for Reagan or whatever.

And really we don't know her positions, long term, on other important issues, whereas with Bernie we do.

I wanted her to run too, but I think Bernie is the best candidate right now who can stand up against the expected attacks once it becomes clear he will win.

Warren is unbeatable on Wall St which is why I suggested her for Sec of Treasury.

[Javaman]

100. All very good points...

and I agree that she would kick ass as Sec of Treas.

[L0oniX]

81. "it is important for people to hear what he has to say" = his message is being endorced.

I hope this doesn't give the Clintonistas a sad.

[ancianita]

87. Given her rhetorical strengths, it's a show of support. It's not an endorsement. nm

[hrmjustin]

89. No.

[onenote]

90. Actually, Warren didn't "just" do anything

The quote is from early May.

[dlwickham]

92. you're kidding

BWWWWAAAAAHHHHHH


sorry I'm being snarky and immature

[onenote]

93. Nope. The date on the article in the OP's link is May 6

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You'd think that if it was an endorsement there might have been some further word from Warren over the past six weeks. I'm happy Sanders is in the race for the same reason Warren is -- he has things to say that need to be said and heard. But my saying it doesn't constitute an endorsement of Sanders. And neither does Warren's.

[dlwickham]

95. I've always said jumping to conclusions should be an Olympic sport

I know several people who would win the gold

[kentuck]

94. I think Elizabeth will endorse Hillary.

Just a hunch.

[grahamhgreen]

98. And will she be his VP? Either way, Sen Sanders is paving the way for her 2020 run of he & Hill fail