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marmar

(77,097 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:34 AM Jun 2015

CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation


(Guardian UK) The Central Intelligence Agency had explicit guidelines for “human experimentation” before, during and after its post-9/11 torture of terrorism detainees, the Guardian has learned, which raise new questions about the limits on internal oversight over the agency’s in-house and contracted medical research.

Sections of a previously classified CIA document, made public by the Guardian on Monday, empower the agency’s director to “approve, modify, or disapprove all proposals pertaining to human subject research”. The leeway provides the director, who has never in the agency’s history been a medical doctor, with significant influence over limitations the US government sets to preserve safe, humane and ethical procedures on people.

CIA director George Tenet approved abusive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, designed by CIA contractor psychologists. He further instructed the agency’s health personnel to oversee the brutal interrogations – the beginning of years of controversy, still ongoing, about US torture as a violation of medical ethics.

But the revelation of the guidelines has prompted critics of CIA torture to question how the agency could have ever implemented what it calls “enhanced interrogation techniques” – despite apparently having rules against “research on human subjects” without their informed consent. ................(more)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/15/cia-torture-human-experimentation-doctors




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CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation (Original Post) marmar Jun 2015 OP
War crimes were committed malaise Jun 2015 #1
So they did more than "tortured some folks" ? Autumn Jun 2015 #2
as a human being i'm appalled. as an american, i am ashamed. spanone Jun 2015 #3
You know, I'm NOT. Not ashamed. lostnfound Jun 2015 #5
Damn. We should have been calling them human experiments all this time JonLP24 Jun 2015 #4
And that's horrible. You'll never hear me say otherwise - but there is something worse in many ways. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #6

lostnfound

(16,192 posts)
5. You know, I'm NOT. Not ashamed.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

I DIDNT vote for Bush/Cheney and I did what I could to convince others not to Cheney's twisted sadistic personality has always seemed apparent to me and I'm not surprised that these crimes were instigated by that administration.

Blame lays squarely on the shoulders of the sound asleep or selfish or deluded voters that put those clowns in office, TWICE. And the wealthy elite donors who backed them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. Damn. We should have been calling them human experiments all this time
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:46 AM
Jun 2015

Though don't know if this means anything other than yet another charge.

Solly Mack

(90,791 posts)
6. And that's horrible. You'll never hear me say otherwise - but there is something worse in many ways.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

The guilty will never be prosecuted.

The U.S. government committed heinous acts of violence against people. They tortured them, sometimes to death. They brutally abused and experimented on people. They terrorized people, stripping them of all humanity.

The U.S. government did that and now pretends it is all just something to learn from. Little more than the after action reports the military writes to explain what went wrong and what went right with a training exercise.

No biggie. Nothing to see here. Move along. Look forward.

No thought to the lives ruined. To the lives taken. No thought to how sick and depraved its actions were.

And NO prosecutions.

War crimes were committed. Crimes against humanity were committed.

But the greatest betrayal of all is the lack of prosecutions. The lack of justice.

Especially with a nation that likes to pretend its the good guy.

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