TAA FAILS!

[marym625]

[Harmony Blue]

1. Good

for now.

[JaneyVee]

2. Doesn't the TAA train and place workers?

And has something like a 90% success rate?

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Yes

For displaced workers due to offshoring.

[JaneyVee]

14. So the offshoring continues, but no training for displaced workers?

[PowerToThePeople]

23. That is my take.

TAA and TPA are opposites.

I think that TPA will pass with the vote count flipped. This is exactly opposite of what we want.

TAA was the workers safety net.

[peacebird]

28. Wasn't TAA to be paid for by cuts in social safety net? Isn't that why they tanked it?

[Robbins]

32. I believe

TAA was the one that would have been paid by cutting 700 million out of medicare.

[PowerToThePeople]

34. TAA already exists, or at least did

It retrained workers displaced by companies offshoring jobs. Not sure if this was an expansion bill or a continuation of the current TAA which may be expiring.

[peacebird]

45. R's wanted to pay for retraining by taking $$$ from medicaid, didn't they?

[PowerToThePeople]

46. I heard something along those lines

Nothing specific though. I have not followed the TAA sideshow of the TPA drama very well.

[marym625]

60. correct

[Recursion]

83. It's tied to the individual agreements, so there was TAA for NAFTA, CAFTA, US/Korea, etc.

Hopefully it can come back up after TPA, not tied to Medicare cuts

[Cal Carpenter]

42. In what way are the TAA and the TPA opposites?

Can you explain what you mean by that?

[PowerToThePeople]

44. Tpa is trade deal fast track

Taa is worker retraining program for displaced workers.

Tpa creates unemployment
Taa pays for schooling for the unemployed

[Cal Carpenter]

47. Okay

I'm familiar with the bills. I just wouldn't characterize them as opposites, as the TAA is designed to alleviate the effects on domestic workers of trade bills like the TPP, and the TPA is designed to get bills like the TPP passed more easily/quickly.

I wouldn't call the TAA and TPP opposites at all. Maybe you're confusing the TPA with the TPP? (Although I still wouldn't call them opposites. But I suppose that's semantics).

Anyway, not really important. I was just really confused by what you said, and I guess I still am.

(And to be clear, I am vehemently opposed to the TPA and the TPP and think the TAA shouldn't even be a question because we shouldn't have to need it anyway if we didn't have such shitty economic policies)

[PowerToThePeople]

49. Well

In so much as one creates unemployed American labor and one tries to create employable American labor, they are opposite.

[Recursion]

79. They were procedurally tied together so they have to start TPA over, basically (nt)

[Sanity Claws]

10. Trade Adjustment Act

Supposed to help workers laid off due to trade.

[awoke_in_2003]

86. And it was to be funded

by cuts to Medicare. Yeah, that will help.

[Igel]

16. The success rate has been called into question.

Largely by people who don't like the TAA and oppose it.

I suspect that the reason is there was a reduction in the annual Medicare bailout in this bill. It would reduce the pay rates to doctors and that might cause some to not accept patients or start rejecting Medicare.

Empathy starts right after my well-being is taken care of. (Of course, the response will be that *both* should be fully funded. Perhaps we should build a temple to Athena and explore our once and future heritage.)

[jwirr]

30. Most likely about Medicare rip off. I know that I included that in my calls to my senators and

representatives. Also to the WH. So you are angry at people who want to protect Medicare? Are you on it?

[marym625]

39. Looks like they're revoting

Since the TPA passed. But it can't go to the President without the TAA

[jwirr]

41. As you said, Damn.

[hopemountain]

74. doctors refusing to treat medicare patients

is already taking place. members of the association of rheumatologists in oregon have agreed to not accept medicare patients. period. i am not sure about other fields of practice - but, this type of exclusion seems to be spreading.

[1monster]

53. By taking the money to retrain the workers from Medicare... And you know, once that money

is taken from Medicare, it will never be put back in.

Without Medicare, my husband has to retire because we can't afford the maintenance meds he takes without it. And without the meds, he can't work. And he will die probably ten or more years earlier.

As will many others who depend on Medicare insurance for their health needs. We've paid for that all of our working lives and still pay premiums/co-pays/out-of-pocket expenses as well.

And why the heck would we want a trade agreement that was going to off shore even more jobs so that we have displaced workers?

This is just one step in stopping that trade agreement. If it is such a good thing, then lets open it to the public and to unions to have input rather than just the corporations.

[jeff47]

55. Yes, and it's paid for by cutting Medicare.

The ads for Democrats who voted "Yes" on TAA write themselves: "Representative _____ voted to steal money from sick elderly people, and give it to lazy moochers".

Obama and company's "plan" to deal with that was to pass another bill that restored the Medicare funding. But with boondoggles like the sequester, you aren't going to get a lot of people trusting the fix will actually get passed.

And even if that fix does pass, the explanation that the ad is technically correct but overall wrong won't fit in an effective response ad.

Also, the success rate of TAA is significantly lower than you state. A little "retraining" will not get a former factory worker a job in STEM, despite claims to the otherwise.

[cali]

3. now 289 nays to 129 yeas

[marym625]

4. They can't get enough now to pass

[bemildred]

9. Wow. That's kicking some ass. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

7. What does this do to TAA benefits? N/t

[marym625]

43. It's more about medicare cuts

But it's still up in the air. They're going to vote again

[Segami]

8. 302 NAYS.......

[cali]

11. killing the TAA doesn't guarantee, at all, killing TPA

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-gambles-he-can-persuade-democrats-on-trade-20150612

[marym625]

15. unbelievable

Looks like they're going to vote on it anyway!

[Harmony Blue]

18. Yup

not looking good.

[marym625]

19. shit!

[Harmony Blue]

20. It is a nail bitter

for sure.

[marym625]

24. I don't ever recall something like this happening before

[BeanMusical]

48. The suspense is killing me dammit.

[Recursion]

80. True in the long term but it was procedurally tied to it at this point

So Boehner has to take the committee report and start over

[ananda]

12. Pelosi voted NO

TAA fails

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/12/1392671/-Fast-Track-Vote-LIVE-BLOGGING

[marym625]

21. She will vote against the TPA too

[jeff47]

57. So what? She still worked her ass off to get "Yes" votes.

She voted "no" because it's toxic in her district. Not because she's actually opposed.

[misterhighwasted]

13. News saying that if TAA fails the other Trade deals will be difficult to pas.

This vote 127 Ya, 296 NO does not bode well for future trade bills.
Congressional Statesmen who have passed on, and who would have pounded their fists in opposition to this bill, must be their haunting the hallowed halls of Congress today.
Amen to this!
No Fasttrack

[marym625]

17. Not yet

This is unreal!

[cali]

22. I stand y my long held prediction. it will pass

[marym625]

25. NO! shhj. don't jinx it

I still have hope

[m-lekktor]

40. sadly I agree. nt

[misterhighwasted]

27. Hoping the vote spread is a good omen for TPP

Think positive & keeping fingers crossed

[Recursion]

81. The votes for both TPA and TPP are still there, though this complicates the procedure

And frankly Boehner is one of the most inept speakers procedurally in the history of the House

[tritsofme]

26. TPA passes, they will revote on TAA.

It appears

[Harmony Blue]

29. Yup

interesting.

[jwirr]

38. Are they still going to vote on the TPA today? And they need to take the Medicare baloney out of

TAA and they will get more votes the second time around.

[jeff47]

56. Can't do that without sending it back to the Senate. (nt)

[marym625]

63. The house scheduled a revote for Tuesday

[jeff47]

66. Yep, if they can pass the Medicare-cutting TAA on Tuesday they don't have to go back to the Senate.

But after this failure it's going to be a rather hard sell. Especially in Captain Orange's House - he can not promise to pass anything, so it will be very hard for him to "buy" any votes over the weekend. "I'll let you vote on your favorite bill" doesn't mean squat when you know he can't pass it.

The Democrats may still pull defeat from the jaws of victory. We'll see.

[marym625]

68. If nothing else,

This is the most nail biting stuff I have ever seen.


We have to work hard here. I will be doing what I can

If it goes back to the Senate, Durbin, one of my Senators, has said he will vote against the TPA.

[CTBlueboy]

31. The weather vane

Is Hillary gonna tweet on how she was always oppose to to these trade deals or does she more time ?

[marym625]

35. They just said something about her but I didn't catch it

On cspan

[misterhighwasted]

37. Why bring your spiteful nasty shit into this thread?

Leave it alone ffs.

[misterhighwasted]

33. Wow! ya know this enthusiasm I'm watching, reminds me of the days of young Ted Kennedy

When there was so much passion in our congress.
My goodness!

[marym625]

36. Yeah, very true

This is bizarre

[WillyT]

50. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[marym625]

51. You are welcome!

But it ain't over. They're still figuring out what they're going to do since they went ahead and voted to pass the TPA. So it can't advance.

They may re vote. They may add an amendment. They may send it back to the Senate. Don't know yet

Bizarre stuff going on

[magical thyme]

52. by a wide margin. Final tally was 302 to 126.

That's a lot of resistance to overcome.

[marym625]

58. I wish that was the end of it

I had hope for the TPA going down but no such luck. But it's still has a way to go

[magical thyme]

72. there will likely never be an end to it

because the multinational corporations want it, they'll keep trying by hook or by crook.

[marym625]

73. True. very true

[corkhead]

85. Reminds me of a local millage election. It keeps coming back again and again until it finally passes

[LittleBlue]

54. Yessss!

[marym625]

59. It's a start

Just don't know what the end result will be. Fingers crossed

[stage left]

61. Do I clap

or do I throw my hands up?

[marym625]

64. Yes

They will revote on Tuesday.

[stage left]

76. Thanks!

Sometimes you don't know how to feel. know what I mean?

[marym625]

77. Yes

I know exactly what you mean.

[MannyGoldstein]

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[marym625]

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[asiliveandbreathe]

65. List of reps on votes - at Dailykos -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/12/1392798/-Which-28-Dems-Just-Voted-for-Fast-Track

[marym625]

69. Thanks!

I just posted an article from the Intercept that also has links to the votes

[asiliveandbreathe]

70. We cannot take our eye off the ball..

Tks for all you do!

[marym625]

71. Thank you!

There are a bunch of people here doing the same thing. Some doing a much better job. But we're all trying. You included

[Dont call me Shirley]

75. So the TAA acknowledges in law that the TPP is going to strip away American jobs.

TAA dispels the lie of TPP pushers that it is not going to destroy American jobs.

[neverforget]

78. Yeah, but it's great for American workers.

I promise!

https://www.uschamber.com/thomas-j-donohue

?itok=dYkCQRR_

[Recursion]

82. The jobs are going with or without the TPP. And new jobs are coming with or without the TPP

Pretty much like has happened for the entire history of the country.

[Dont call me Shirley]

84. Good paying jobs here will become low paying jobs in another country. The jobs coming here

will be another round of low paying jobs. Leveling the playing field for all workers, I mean billionaires so they don't have to pay higher wages in any country.