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geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:16 AM Jun 2015

Celebrated hunter crushed to death by baby elephant as he tried to measure its ivory for U.S. client

A celebrated Texas-born hunter was crushed to death by a baby elephant in Zimbabwe as he tried to measure its ivory tusks for an American client.

Ian Gibson, 55, was a lauded figure among U.S. safari enthusiasts, who would commission him to slaughter prized animals near his home in South Africa.

On Wednesday, he was tentatively approaching the young bull elephant in Zimbabwe's Zambezi Valley when the animal charged, and knelt on Gibson until he died.

His American client, who was also present, has not been identified. The Dallas Safari Club is paying for Gibson's funeral.
Despite only having one leg, Gibson was described by fans as 'fit and strong'.

According to a statement from Safari Classics, posted on AfricaHunting.com, the group had stopped for a rest when the animal approached their group.

Gibson and his tracker approached to assess its ivory.

'At very close range, Ian was able to get off one shot before the bull killed him. The scene was very graphic,' the statement read.
Twitter users were widely pitiless, with hundreds of animal rights supporters commenting that he 'got what he deserved'.


I'll go along with that. He did get what he deserved.

The rest at link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046075/Celebrated-hunter-crushed-death-baby-elephant-tried-measure-ivory-U-S-client.html

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Celebrated hunter crushed to death by baby elephant as he tried to measure its ivory for U.S. client (Original Post) geardaddy Jun 2015 OP
Innocent tourists we feel for-- not this guy... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #1
Yeah, he deserved to die. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #6
I won't go so far as to say he "deserved" it Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #49
Oh I would. He deserved it plus many painful more deaths. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #126
To quote William Munny (The Unforgiven) awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #51
"well, he shoulda armed himself." AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #74
Best scene in the movie. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #84
Not sure anyone really 'deserves' to die, exactly, RiverNoord Jun 2015 #143
Isn't it illegal to kill elephants for their ivory and isn't it illegal to bring Maraya1969 Jun 2015 #149
Tourists pay a fee of $50k (or thereabouts) to murder elephants. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2015 #150
It is illegal to bring it into the country unless it was gotten before 1976 Maraya1969 Jun 2015 #155
There is justice of elephants malaise Jun 2015 #2
Ironic, maybe, but definately justice. Screw the Dallas Safari Club. marble falls Jun 2015 #3
I'm with you, marble... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #156
+ A BILLION!!! calimary Jun 2015 #163
I symbolically frogmarch Jun 2015 #4
Right behind you shenmue Jun 2015 #101
Pay backs are a b*t**h newfie11 Jun 2015 #5
Under the Uniform Commercial Code... jberryhill Jun 2015 #7
!! nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #15
Excellent! geardaddy Jun 2015 #16
Bwahahaha! valerief Jun 2015 #46
Excellent Fairgo Jun 2015 #106
Muy Excellente! n/t hibbing Jun 2015 #119
Can we mount his head and hang it on the fence of an elephant sanctuary? Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #125
African elephants are beautiful but terrifying stevenleser Jun 2015 #8
There is a special on NG Wild about elephants in Africa having PTSD from decades of wars Hestia Jun 2015 #24
Hmmm. Interesting. I didn't know the part about the wars. stevenleser Jun 2015 #36
Drones? Then how would rich people get their ivory? Rich people getting whatever valerief Jun 2015 #48
"Rich people getting whatever they want whenever they want is the most important thing in the world" Iggo Jun 2015 #52
Yep, it's what drives EVERYTHING. nt valerief Jun 2015 #58
Apparently it's due from mass culling shrike Jun 2015 #113
That's so sad... cui bono Jun 2015 #130
Why would the fear us? we evolved together Scootaloo Jun 2015 #94
"... beautiful but terrifying...." Carolina Jun 2015 #111
The point of my trip was to see and learn about the animals. And the guides really help you do it stevenleser Jun 2015 #128
In Etosha National Park I was driving down a dirt road when i Lucky Luciano Jun 2015 #152
Karma- always catches up n/t justamama83 Jun 2015 #9
It's more than that Cirque du So-What Jun 2015 #63
Oh, how I wish that was true. SomeGuyInEagan Jun 2015 #120
. City Lights Jun 2015 #10
can I post this in good news ? olddots Jun 2015 #11
+100 narnian60 Jun 2015 #137
I love this. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #171
Did the elephant smile and pose next to the dead body for a picture? Rex Jun 2015 #12
Not if he wants to sell me sandwiches, he didn't. Iggo Jun 2015 #54
Good point. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #170
Instant karma... Tom_Foolery Jun 2015 #13
I am also pitiless. Hooray for the elephant! Coventina Jun 2015 #14
Maybe they can make an umbrella stand geardaddy Jun 2015 #17
they always like to moo about the "circle of life" (so long as they're on top every time) MisterP Jun 2015 #100
I laughed Change has come Jun 2015 #153
Can you set up a GoFundMe for an elephant? Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #18
Good riddance! I hope all of his ilk get the same Takket Jun 2015 #19
I'm glad the elephant is alive. Marrah_G Jun 2015 #20
You molest animals long enough, shit like this happens. TransitJohn Jun 2015 #21
How can you compare Steve Irwin to these terrorist Politicalboi Jun 2015 #78
They're the same in that they molest animals for a living. TransitJohn Jun 2015 #91
While Steve got people interested in animals, he was an example of it you pester any animal long uppityperson Jun 2015 #103
Confusing research and molestation is an easy mistake to make should one lack the appropriate knowle LanternWaste Jun 2015 #105
Show me any published research Steve Irwin did. TransitJohn Jun 2015 #173
Is the baby elephant okay? Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #22
That's what I was wondering, since it says the hunter got off one shot. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #27
Yeah, it's unclear from the article. geardaddy Jun 2015 #43
I searched the internets, couldn't find anything either Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #50
I couldn't find anything either. Chellee Jun 2015 #132
The article is dated April 19, 2015. So it has been a couple months since this happened. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #136
Terrible... Phentex Jun 2015 #107
Animals Rock! Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #23
I hope the American client packman Jun 2015 #25
I suggest this for funeral music: corkhead Jun 2015 #26
OK, you win the thread!!!! Coventina Jun 2015 #60
Gibson messed with Mother Nature. muntrv Jun 2015 #28
How is it even legal to hunt elephants? SunSeeker Jun 2015 #29
THIS!!!!!!! navarth Jun 2015 #42
In some places, Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #86
My Problem erpowers Jun 2015 #30
And he was greedy enough to accept it. There is no reason on earth to kill a baby sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #39
+1 nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #53
Need More Information erpowers Jun 2015 #68
I can't answer all those questions. I thought it was illegal to hunt elephants for their tusks, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #88
The very wealthy can fuck over the planet and its people as much as they want. valerief Jun 2015 #176
I do have a problem with hunting for any other purpose beyond food. Coventina Jun 2015 #62
it's the way cowards behave Skittles Jun 2015 #141
Good for the elephant. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2015 #31
Thank you little elephant ruffburr Jun 2015 #67
No tears for this guy. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #32
That old saying, "Live by the sword, die by the sword" comes to mind. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #33
Karma's a bitch. nt B2G Jun 2015 #34
He was not a nice person and Karma can be a pain at times Gothmog Jun 2015 #35
I will not celebrate his death, but I certainly won't mourn him either. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #37
fuck yeah! frylock Jun 2015 #38
Great news! samsingh Jun 2015 #40
Finally justice. The buyer in the US should be tried also. jwirr Jun 2015 #41
Oh, well. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #44
So... JackInGreen Jun 2015 #45
Yes. geardaddy Jun 2015 #47
It would have been better had he seen the light and changed the error of his ways... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #55
Love me some Karma. 99Forever Jun 2015 #56
I celebrate his death. Iggo Jun 2015 #57
I usually feel a little sad when I read someone has died. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #59
good stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #61
Tusk, tusk. What a pity. Not. kairos12 Jun 2015 #64
I see what you did there. geardaddy Jun 2015 #70
Too bad the elephant did not take out the "American client" as well. Raster Jun 2015 #65
the client was resting after hours of "searching for a target" niyad Jun 2015 #80
got exactly what he deserved. niyad Jun 2015 #66
One less asshole in the world. CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #69
It's awfully hard to cheat karma. hifiguy Jun 2015 #71
I'm a hunter. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #72
That's definitely the difference. Iggo Jun 2015 #83
I do not like how the word can stand for different types of hunts. Rex Jun 2015 #97
I agree. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #99
Karma Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #73
Bummer, man. jalan48 Jun 2015 #75
Elephants 1 - Small-dicked Assholes 0 truebrit71 Jun 2015 #76
the picture in the linked article of those butchers holding ivory tusks and grinning is sickening. niyad Jun 2015 #77
Who walks up to a wild elephant to measure its tusks???????????????????? yellowcanine Jun 2015 #79
IDIOTS Skittles Jun 2015 #161
--and you atheists try to tell me there ain't no Jesus? Hoppy Jun 2015 #81
nope. And the elephant was probably confused because the hunter didn't know how to surrender. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #82
That novel's premise and story are good, but the writing style made me tblue37 Jun 2015 #89
Suits me. Paladin Jun 2015 #85
I picture a bunch of white men with walrus mustaches all wearing pith helmets and khaki Coventina Jun 2015 #92
You got the "bunch of white men" part right. Paladin Jun 2015 #93
So they don't even try to pretend to be Gentlemen, eh? Coventina Jun 2015 #98
I don't believe they need their knuckles to propel themseves,..... Paladin Jun 2015 #102
Give them all big stetsons and boots made of ostrich. Chellee Jun 2015 #134
Now that poor elephant has too much junk in the trunk. Orrex Jun 2015 #87
I'm not going to celebrate his death. marym625 Jun 2015 #90
If the baby elephant had a gun moondust Jun 2015 #95
Will they be mounting his head for display? AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #96
One can hope Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #109
good riddance to bad rubbish magical thyme Jun 2015 #104
A toast to my new favorite elephant!! Codeine Jun 2015 #108
Good for the elephant Carolina Jun 2015 #110
Self defense. The baby elephant stood his ground. yardwork Jun 2015 #112
Bye-bye, asshole. Aristus Jun 2015 #114
I guess he ain't celebrated Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2015 #115
Shot with His Own Gun. C Moon Jun 2015 #116
Good Elephant! bravenak Jun 2015 #117
The karma wheel turns slowly, but crushes all in its path Telcontar Jun 2015 #118
"...the animal charged, and knelt on Gibson until he died." Solly Mack Jun 2015 #121
You spin the wheel, you take your chances- I guess notadmblnd Jun 2015 #122
I just hope the elephant is OK. liberalla Jun 2015 #123
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jun 2015 #142
Ditto! hue Jun 2015 #175
Good riddance to that evil piece of crap. Wished I believed in Hell, to imagine him there. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #124
Darwin Award nominee? sakabatou Jun 2015 #127
Did the one shot zentrum Jun 2015 #129
Boo fucking hoo nt Cheap_Trick Jun 2015 #131
YESSSSSS! (nt) Useless in FL Jun 2015 #133
Dude was askin' for it. smokey nj Jun 2015 #135
I doubt that poor young bull survived his brief triumph... countryjake Jun 2015 #138
Kinda sucks for a hunter when the tables turn and he becomes the prey, doesn't it? nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #139
aw it just makes me boo hoo Skittles Jun 2015 #140
Too rare of an occurence. byronius Jun 2015 #144
no sympathy at all for this fella.. secondwind Jun 2015 #145
I feel bad for his family..... blackspade Jun 2015 #146
Confucius say: He who measures elephant for ivory may find himself measured for casket. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #147
I won't celebrate his death, as some others are doing but, as a hunter, I can't stand Trophy Hunters Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #148
He died doing what he loved most... mackerel Jun 2015 #151
The targeted elephant charged and Ian shot once before being crushed to death. NCjack Jun 2015 #154
that was my thought, too. Hope the elephant was OK. Flaxbee Jun 2015 #157
Irony Turbineguy Jun 2015 #158
continuing the twitter line on this. MFM008 Jun 2015 #159
Is the elephant OK? shireen Jun 2015 #160
Well, ain't that too fucking bad.......nt ThingsGottaChange Jun 2015 #162
One less sick asshole. Always a good thing. TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #164
Oh that poor elephant! tblue Jun 2015 #165
what about the asshole who wanted the ivory? he needs a little taste of karma too. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #166
Elephant stood his ground. Good for him. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #167
The story is more complex than the headline, but still. Tears shed: zero (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #168
:) Jamastiene Jun 2015 #169
Let me be the first to say Loryn Jun 2015 #172
I hope the baby elephant is OK! hue Jun 2015 #174
Karma, M-F'er Esse Quam Videri Jun 2015 #177
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #178

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
49. I won't go so far as to say he "deserved" it
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

On the other hand, I won't deny the karmic irony in his death.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
143. Not sure anyone really 'deserves' to die, exactly,
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

since it's going to happen to us all. However, I think it's quite a reasonable proposition that elephants definitely don't deserve to be killed for their tusks, and if the hunter was in that business, there was a wonderful kind of justice in the world at that moment...

Maraya1969

(22,506 posts)
149. Isn't it illegal to kill elephants for their ivory and isn't it illegal to bring
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jun 2015

ivory into this country?

They need to find out who this guy was trying to get the ivory for and arrest him.

Maraya1969

(22,506 posts)
155. It is illegal to bring it into the country unless it was gotten before 1976
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jun 2015

Recently, we shared the best news for elephants in a long time: the release of the President’s new National Strategy for Combatting Wildlife Trafficking, which spells out how the government will crack down on poachers and other criminals who have driven hundreds of species to the brink of collapse.

The Strategy’s headline is a set of new rules designed to help elephants – combined, the government is calling these new rules a “ban” on imports, exports, and sales of ivory here in the United States.

We’re hedging a little on the word “ban” because there’s still some leeway for a few types of ivory, but the overall effect—if written into law—will be about as close as possible to an across-the-board prohibition. Keep in mind that it will take some hard work to make sure these rules stay as strong as the President has proposed between now and when they become final, but here’s what you need to know:

http://www.ifaw.org/united-states/news/what-does-new-us-ivory-ban-mean-buyers-sellers-and-elephants

EXCEPT FOR THIS UNFORTUNATE LOOPHOLE

The White House made one unfortunate concession to elephant killers, though: American hunters are allowed to bring up to four “trophy” tusks per person, per year into the US. This is a big improvement on the status quo, which had no limits on the number of trophies allowed for import (in some cases, hunters brought back up to a hundred tusks on one trip) but it still means that Safari Club members and others are licensed to kill elephants for fun.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Under the Uniform Commercial Code...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jun 2015

...I believe the client is permitted to accept Gibson's teeth as a substitute for unavailability of the contracted goods.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. African elephants are beautiful but terrifying
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jun 2015

When you see them in the wild, it takes only a few seconds to realize that these are not the elephants you see in zoos and circuses. Those are Asian elephants.

African elephants are aggressive and do not fear humans at all. They don't fear lions at all either, quite the opposite. Lions actually get an interesting pained look on their faces when elephants approach, and then they exit the area quickly.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
24. There is a special on NG Wild about elephants in Africa having PTSD from decades of wars
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jun 2015

The babies would see their mothers and grandmothers being killed, raised with no ancient memory to help through the pitfalls of life and orphans banded together to herd up. Now, when bulls see humans, it enrages them from remembering seeing their families killed. Elephants remember for life and it is very hard work to get them calmed down when they see humans. It may just be the only way to keep them from getting killed, allowing the bulls to charge humans. Stay away from them for awhile and let them live.

If we are going to use drones, why can't we use them against poachers and just take them out. The Reserves are way too large for rangers to patrol - use drones and do whatever it takes against the poachers.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
36. Hmmm. Interesting. I didn't know the part about the wars.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

I can tell you that several times elephants charged the safari van I was in and those are some of the few times I was afraid during the trip.

Interesting idea about the drones. I think the areas are so vast in Africa that even drones might not be able to handle it.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
48. Drones? Then how would rich people get their ivory? Rich people getting whatever
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

they want whenever they want is the most important thing in the world, after all.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
52. "Rich people getting whatever they want whenever they want is the most important thing in the world"
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jun 2015

I think you nailed it.

shrike

(3,817 posts)
113. Apparently it's due from mass culling
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

Performed over a multi-decade period. I don't know that it's so much memory as the inability to function as part of a group, once the group is destroyed.

The results make perfect sense, actually. A social animal has to learn how to be social, and once its social group is destroyed the chance to learn and interact is gone.

Here are two links, one a scholarly one:

http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/10/1/62

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elephants-suffer-from-ptsd-like-condition/
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
94. Why would the fear us? we evolved together
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

This is true for most African animals - and is a key factor as for why African Pleistocene megafauna is still around while it disappeared from pretty much everywhere else humans went.

Well. Around for the time being

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
111. "... beautiful but terrifying...."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

So man should leave them alone, leave them at peace in their territory! Why go into the wild and expect them to behave as circus or zoo animals

Geez, humans should live and let live. Hunting safaris should be banned, so I have no sympathy for the deceased and his fellow hunters. Let these beautiful creatures BE.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
128. The point of my trip was to see and learn about the animals. And the guides really help you do it
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't expect them to behave as zoo or circus animals. Part of what came out of the learning process for me is that the two different types of elephants have very different behavior.

Lucky Luciano

(11,261 posts)
152. In Etosha National Park I was driving down a dirt road when i
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jun 2015

...came upon a huge bull elephant crossing the road. He was not happy about my presence. I just stopped and so did he. He stared me down. I gently tried to move my stick shift truck (definitely not used to manual transmission!)...he lifted his trunk and smashed it on the ground. I stood still - didn't want to make a sudden move as I lacked the stick shift confidence to hussle outta there without stalling...he kept staring me down. After a few minutes, he decided to move on. It was scary and exhilarating at the same time!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
171. I love this.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jun 2015

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees what jerks like that do as horrible and sees this as good news.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Did the elephant smile and pose next to the dead body for a picture?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jun 2015

Poor young elephant, he must have felt that death was close by.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
14. I am also pitiless. Hooray for the elephant!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

He saved his own life and the lives of other elephants this guy would have gone on to kill.

Sickening that an American client was behind the attempted slaughter.
I wish the elephant had killed him as well.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
100. they always like to moo about the "circle of life" (so long as they're on top every time)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jun 2015

just like they're "part of nature" until that means dying more than 0% of the time
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
78. How can you compare Steve Irwin to these terrorist
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

Steve Irwin would NEVER kill an animal for sport. This asshole got what he deserved IMO. I only hope this would happen to more poachers, or they get struck down with a deadly agonizing disease.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
103. While Steve got people interested in animals, he was an example of it you pester any animal long
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

enough, it will eventually lose its patience or become scared enough to strike at you.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
105. Confusing research and molestation is an easy mistake to make should one lack the appropriate knowle
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jun 2015

Confusing research and molestation is an easy mistake to make should one lack the appropriate knowledge of the meaning of the words and pretends bias is a better source for meaning.

Chellee

(2,102 posts)
132. I couldn't find anything either.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jun 2015

That's what is worrying me as well. I just hope he isn't wounded and dying slowly.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
136. The article is dated April 19, 2015. So it has been a couple months since this happened.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jun 2015

Surely there must be some news on the baby's health.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
25. I hope the American client
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jun 2015

had his head - Gibson's - mounted .

I think the elephant showed poor sportsmanship, after all, Gibson - the article states - only had one leg while the elephant had four. Isn't there a movie coming out soon where the world's animals turn the tables on humans and begin to hunt them. I know my cat gives me a certain look which is hard to interpret as love.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
86. In some places,
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

the elephant herds grow too large for the areas in which they live. Some countries sell licenses to shoot specific animals in order to raise money for conservation. I don't know what was going on in this particular case, but it doesn't seem like this 'baby' (baby male elephants do not go into musth) was not targeted for shooting. They were however trying to get a closer look, close enough to annoy the elephant.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
30. My Problem
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jun 2015

My problem with this story is that people paid him to kill animals for them. I do not have a real problem with people hunting and killing wild animals. However, I think they should be willing to do the killing for themselves.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. And he was greedy enough to accept it. There is no reason on earth to kill a baby
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

elephant other than greed and ego. And I was under the impression that it was illegal since all these animals are endangered due to the greed of those who kill them for profit.

I am not going to celebrate the death of another human being, but can't help thinking that is one less killer of innocent animals, making them a teeny bit safer.

I hope the elephant survived, it had every right to defend itself.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
68. Need More Information
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jun 2015

I guess everyone needs more information. In the article Ian Gibson's tracker said he would not have shot at the animal if it had not charged him. If he did not plan on killing the animal what was he doing measuring the animal's tusk? Had the client asked him to kill that animal, or were they looking for another animal and just stopped to rest and then spotted the young elephant?

Is it illegal to kill African elephants? Is it illegal to kill baby elephants? Are Africans allowed to let a few foreigners go to Africa and kill some elephants even though it is illegal?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
88. I can't answer all those questions. I thought it was illegal to hunt elephants for their tusks,
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jun 2015

however you ask a good question, is there a quota for millionaires? I don't know.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
176. The very wealthy can fuck over the planet and its people as much as they want.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jun 2015

What's a few elephant tusks to them when they WANT them?

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
62. I do have a problem with hunting for any other purpose beyond food.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

In addition to that: the species must not be endangered or threatened, and the killing must be done as quickly and humanely as possible.

Anything else is needless cruelty and vanity on the part of the hunter.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,874 posts)
31. Good for the elephant.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

I have no sympathy for big game hunters or trophy hunters that get killed by the animals they are hunting.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
32. No tears for this guy.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

Why does the American poach-for-pay scumbag need anonymity? Oh, because he doesn't want to be outed as a scumbag murderer hiring hit men?


Yay, little elephant!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
55. It would have been better had he seen the light and changed the error of his ways...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jun 2015

But he didn't, and his death does not upset me.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
57. I celebrate his death.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

If hunting's a sport, I get to pick which team I'm rooting for.

I'm going for the Elephants.

GO ELEPHANTS!!!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
59. I usually feel a little sad when I read someone has died.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

Oddly, this time I don't.

Then that bad Elephant's Child spanked all his dear families for a long time, till they were very warm and greatly astonished. He pulled out his tall Ostrich aunt's tail-feathers; and he caught his tall uncle, the Giraffe, by the hind-leg, and dragged him through a thorn-bush; and he shouted at his broad aunt, the Hippopotamus, and blew bubbles into her ear when she was sleeping in the water after meals; but he never let any one touch Kolokolo Bird.

At last things grew so exciting that his dear families went off one by one in a hurry to the banks of the great grey-green, greasy Limpopo River, all set about with fever-trees, to borrow new noses from the Crocodile. When they came back nobody spanked anybody any more; and ever since that day, O Best Beloved, all the Elephants you will ever see, besides all those that you won't, have trunks precisely like the trunk of the 'satiable Elephant's Child.


Kipling, The Elephant's Child http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm

Raster

(20,998 posts)
65. Too bad the elephant did not take out the "American client" as well.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jun 2015

{insert emoji of elephant grave dancing on hunter's grave}

niyad

(113,587 posts)
66. got exactly what he deserved.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jun 2015

funny, just the other day, I was telling a friend that I always cheer for the elephants when they rampage (remember a few years ago when there seemed to be a cluster of such incidents)

good for that beautiful baby being.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. It's awfully hard to cheat karma.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

Especially when you have as much bad karma as this shitheel had.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
72. I'm a hunter.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

I fully endorse and am amused by this mans demise.

But, I don't kill for trophies, so maybe that's the difference. I only kill things to eat.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
97. I do not like how the word can stand for different types of hunts.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jun 2015

Hunting for food, to me that is a hunter. Killing for glory, to me that is an asshole with a powerful rifle.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
99. I agree.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

I would never even consider taking an animal if I didn't intend to use it.

A lot of big game trophy hunters donate the meat to local tribes, but to me, that's just cheap political cover for what is an obviously immoral motive.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
76. Elephants 1 - Small-dicked Assholes 0
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jun 2015

I thought ivory was illegal in the US?

No matter, fuck that guy. He got what he deserved.

Asshole.

niyad

(113,587 posts)
77. the picture in the linked article of those butchers holding ivory tusks and grinning is sickening.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

this hunting of elephants for their ivory reminds me of the killing of buffalo in this country for trophies. sickening.





yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
79. Who walks up to a wild elephant to measure its tusks????????????????????
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015
It is not even Monday morning quarterbacking to make a judgment call on that.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
82. nope. And the elephant was probably confused because the hunter didn't know how to surrender.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

(Footfall joke/reference)

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
89. That novel's premise and story are good, but the writing style made me
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jun 2015

cringe. I read it when it first came out. Although I noticed the clunky writing, I ignored it because I enjoyed the story so much. But when I reread the book a couple of years ago, it was a log to get past the weak writing. I have loved SF since I was in 10th grade (1965!), but all too often I have had to close my inner ears and ignore the writing.

I do love the idea that humans failed to recognize the aliens as dangerous because the looked like adorable baby elephants, though with extra "trunks."

I think, too, that Niven and Pournelle handle concept of a "dinosaur killer" asteroid-caused tsunami more effectively than did the two asteroid impact movies from a few years ago.

I also loved the idea of SF authors as the people who are consulted for ideas about how to deal with aggressive aliens bent on conquering and subjugating humans.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
85. Suits me.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

And FYI: the Dallas Safari Club is just as big a bunch of moneyed fuckwits as its name implies. Just trust me on that.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
92. I picture a bunch of white men with walrus mustaches all wearing pith helmets and khaki
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

jodhpurs, smoking pipes and beginning all their statements with "I say!" and ending them with "what?"

"I say! I feel like a spot of polo. Jolly good fun making those ponies run around in the hot sun, what?"

"Quite!"

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
93. You got the "bunch of white men" part right.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

The on-the-veldt hunting gear you describe, and the English accessories? Way too stylish for Dallas.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
98. So they don't even try to pretend to be Gentlemen, eh?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jun 2015

Evil is so much more fun to mock when there's some material to work with....

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
102. I don't believe they need their knuckles to propel themseves,.....
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jun 2015

...and I have no doubt there are some gentlemen in their well-heeled membership---it's just not that big a priority, from what I know of the group.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
90. I'm not going to celebrate his death.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jun 2015

I am sure he had to know it was possible he could die doing this. He decided money was worth more than the lives of innocent animals. I don't feel bad about it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
108. A toast to my new favorite elephant!!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

Sorry, Babar -- you were the hero of my childhood, but this young elephant has supplanted you.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
110. Good for the elephant
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jun 2015

The whole notion of these safari hunting parties is gross and sick.

May the four-legged animals continue to prevail because homo sapiens is hell bent on destruction and seems to revel in dollars linked to death!

Solly Mack

(90,788 posts)
121. "...the animal charged, and knelt on Gibson until he died."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015

Bet the elephant was smiling the whole time.

liberalla

(9,264 posts)
123. I just hope the elephant is OK.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

The link says he got off a shot at about 10 yards from a 458 rifle and hit the elephant once. (according to the trackers)

I hope the elephant survives and lives a long life.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
129. Did the one shot
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015

..he got off hit the elephant?

Will the elephant be allowed to continue roaming for now? At least until the next sociopathic ego with a gun comes along?


Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
148. I won't celebrate his death, as some others are doing but, as a hunter, I can't stand Trophy Hunters
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jun 2015

or people who kill just to kill. I only hunt to eat, and don't shoot anything I'm not going to eat, unless it's coyotes or wild dogs on my property. They keep the deer and turkeys away from here.

When I say that I hunt, I mean I *really* hunt. I find out where the deer are by scouting, then go into THEIR TURF and try to get them. I hunt from the ground, stalking/still hunting, and have never used a tree stand. I use full camo and scent blocker, and my eyes and ears. I've had deer walk so close to me that I could have slapped them on the ass before.

I *do* have 2 very nice Bucks mounted, and I was lucky when I got them. I paid over $300 each to have them mounted, and did so to honor them. I don't let people mess with them, and went postal on my daughter's boyfriend one night when he put a hat and bandana on one of them. To me, that is like desecrating them! I told him not to EVER touch my deer head again. I don't hunt for horns.... you can boil them suckers for a week and still can't eat them!

I can't stand people who go on those "caged hunts" either. What kind of skill, or sport, does it take to shoot a drugged animal?? Fuck that noise! When I go, even if I don't get a deer, I have enjoyed some good quality time out in the woods just watching nature happen. Watching the squirrels and chipmunks play, watching the different birds in the woods, listening to the wind in the trees, or the sound of a stream if one is nearby...

Peace,

Ghost

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
154. The targeted elephant charged and Ian shot once before being crushed to death.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jun 2015

Sure hope the elephant is OK.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
157. that was my thought, too. Hope the elephant was OK.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

I shall not comment on my exceedingly low opinion of those who hunt for sport or glee or fun or sheer stupidity and cruelty.

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
159. continuing the twitter line on this.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jun 2015

A. He shouldnt have been doing it.

B. He shouldnt have been doing it.

C. His Karma cashed in hard.

D. Oh Well.

E. Elephants___ 1..........hunters ___20 thousand a year.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
160. Is the elephant OK?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jun 2015

The article says that Gibson got one shot off but nothing about whether the elephant was wounded. I hope the poor animal is OK and is left alone.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
165. Oh that poor elephant!
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:38 AM
Jun 2015

He was probably freaked out -- maybe he and had some kind of idea what was about to go down.

I'm glad he walked away tusks and all.


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