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Ian Gibson, 55, was a lauded figure among U.S. safari enthusiasts, who would commission him to slaughter prized animals near his home in South Africa.
On Wednesday, he was tentatively approaching the young bull elephant in Zimbabwe's Zambezi Valley when the animal charged, and knelt on Gibson until he died.
His American client, who was also present, has not been identified. The Dallas Safari Club is paying for Gibson's funeral.
Despite only having one leg, Gibson was described by fans as 'fit and strong'.
According to a statement from Safari Classics, posted on AfricaHunting.com, the group had stopped for a rest when the animal approached their group.
Gibson and his tracker approached to assess its ivory.
'At very close range, Ian was able to get off one shot before the bull killed him. The scene was very graphic,' the statement read.
Twitter users were widely pitiless, with hundreds of animal rights supporters commenting that he 'got what he deserved'.
I'll go along with that. He did get what he deserved.
The rest at link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046075/Celebrated-hunter-crushed-death-baby-elephant-tried-measure-ivory-U-S-client.html
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I don't know if he deserved to die, but them's the breaks.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)May he rot in hell.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)On the other hand, I won't deny the karmic irony in his death.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)"Deserve's got nothing to do with it"
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)since it's going to happen to us all. However, I think it's quite a reasonable proposition that elephants definitely don't deserve to be killed for their tusks, and if the hunter was in that business, there was a wonderful kind of justice in the world at that moment...
Maraya1969
(22,506 posts)ivory into this country?
They need to find out who this guy was trying to get the ivory for and arrest him.
Lucky Luciano
(11,261 posts)Maraya1969
(22,506 posts)Recently, we shared the best news for elephants in a long time: the release of the Presidents new National Strategy for Combatting Wildlife Trafficking, which spells out how the government will crack down on poachers and other criminals who have driven hundreds of species to the brink of collapse.
The Strategys headline is a set of new rules designed to help elephants combined, the government is calling these new rules a ban on imports, exports, and sales of ivory here in the United States.
Were hedging a little on the word ban because theres still some leeway for a few types of ivory, but the overall effectif written into lawwill be about as close as possible to an across-the-board prohibition. Keep in mind that it will take some hard work to make sure these rules stay as strong as the President has proposed between now and when they become final, but heres what you need to know:
http://www.ifaw.org/united-states/news/what-does-new-us-ivory-ban-mean-buyers-sellers-and-elephants
EXCEPT FOR THIS UNFORTUNATE LOOPHOLE
The White House made one unfortunate concession to elephant killers, though: American hunters are allowed to bring up to four trophy tusks per person, per year into the US. This is a big improvement on the status quo, which had no limits on the number of trophies allowed for import (in some cases, hunters brought back up to a hundred tusks on one trip) but it still means that Safari Club members and others are licensed to kill elephants for fun.
malaise
(269,193 posts)big and small.
Lil bull elephant measured this scumbag well.
marble falls
(57,282 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Up theirs
calimary
(81,514 posts)FUCK 'em.
Justice. VERY Poetic Justice.
frogmarch
(12,160 posts)sit on and crush his unnamed American client.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)And well deserved in this instance!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...I believe the client is permitted to accept Gibson's teeth as a substitute for unavailability of the contracted goods.
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)hibbing
(10,109 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)When you see them in the wild, it takes only a few seconds to realize that these are not the elephants you see in zoos and circuses. Those are Asian elephants.
African elephants are aggressive and do not fear humans at all. They don't fear lions at all either, quite the opposite. Lions actually get an interesting pained look on their faces when elephants approach, and then they exit the area quickly.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)The babies would see their mothers and grandmothers being killed, raised with no ancient memory to help through the pitfalls of life and orphans banded together to herd up. Now, when bulls see humans, it enrages them from remembering seeing their families killed. Elephants remember for life and it is very hard work to get them calmed down when they see humans. It may just be the only way to keep them from getting killed, allowing the bulls to charge humans. Stay away from them for awhile and let them live.
If we are going to use drones, why can't we use them against poachers and just take them out. The Reserves are way too large for rangers to patrol - use drones and do whatever it takes against the poachers.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I can tell you that several times elephants charged the safari van I was in and those are some of the few times I was afraid during the trip.
Interesting idea about the drones. I think the areas are so vast in Africa that even drones might not be able to handle it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)they want whenever they want is the most important thing in the world, after all.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)I think you nailed it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)shrike
(3,817 posts)Performed over a multi-decade period. I don't know that it's so much memory as the inability to function as part of a group, once the group is destroyed.
The results make perfect sense, actually. A social animal has to learn how to be social, and once its social group is destroyed the chance to learn and interact is gone.
Here are two links, one a scholarly one:
http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/10/1/62
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elephants-suffer-from-ptsd-like-condition/
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)This is true for most African animals - and is a key factor as for why African Pleistocene megafauna is still around while it disappeared from pretty much everywhere else humans went.
Well. Around for the time being
Carolina
(6,960 posts)So man should leave them alone, leave them at peace in their territory! Why go into the wild and expect them to behave as circus or zoo animals
Geez, humans should live and let live. Hunting safaris should be banned, so I have no sympathy for the deceased and his fellow hunters. Let these beautiful creatures BE.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I didn't expect them to behave as zoo or circus animals. Part of what came out of the learning process for me is that the two different types of elephants have very different behavior.
Lucky Luciano
(11,261 posts)...came upon a huge bull elephant crossing the road. He was not happy about my presence. I just stopped and so did he. He stared me down. I gently tried to move my stick shift truck (definitely not used to manual transmission!)...he lifted his trunk and smashed it on the ground. I stood still - didn't want to make a sudden move as I lacked the stick shift confidence to hussle outta there without stalling...he kept staring me down. After a few minutes, he decided to move on. It was scary and exhilarating at the same time!
justamama83
(87 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,989 posts)It's the marriage of irony and karma.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)I love the thought of it, though.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)my opinion and I will die for it .
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees what jerks like that do as horrible and sees this as good news.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Poor young elephant, he must have felt that death was close by.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)That's something only assholes do.
Tom_Foolery
(4,691 posts)Coventina
(27,172 posts)He saved his own life and the lives of other elephants this guy would have gone on to kill.
Sickening that an American client was behind the attempted slaughter.
I wish the elephant had killed him as well.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)out of Gibson's foot.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)just like they're "part of nature" until that means dying more than 0% of the time
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)#askingforafriend
Takket
(21,635 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Ask Steve Irwin.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Steve Irwin would NEVER kill an animal for sport. This asshole got what he deserved IMO. I only hope this would happen to more poachers, or they get struck down with a deadly agonizing disease.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Or did.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)enough, it will eventually lose its patience or become scared enough to strike at you.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Confusing research and molestation is an easy mistake to make should one lack the appropriate knowledge of the meaning of the words and pretends bias is a better source for meaning.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)He molested animals and made reality TV out of it.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SunSeeker
(51,728 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)I hope the little guy is ok.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Chellee
(2,102 posts)That's what is worrying me as well. I just hope he isn't wounded and dying slowly.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Surely there must be some news on the baby's health.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)but that was my first thought too.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)I always feel a certain satisfaction when hunters meet their demise while hunting!
packman
(16,296 posts)had his head - Gibson's - mounted .
I think the elephant showed poor sportsmanship, after all, Gibson - the article states - only had one leg while the elephant had four. Isn't there a movie coming out soon where the world's animals turn the tables on humans and begin to hunt them. I know my cat gives me a certain look which is hard to interpret as love.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Coventina
(27,172 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)SunSeeker
(51,728 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)the elephant herds grow too large for the areas in which they live. Some countries sell licenses to shoot specific animals in order to raise money for conservation. I don't know what was going on in this particular case, but it doesn't seem like this 'baby' (baby male elephants do not go into musth) was not targeted for shooting. They were however trying to get a closer look, close enough to annoy the elephant.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)My problem with this story is that people paid him to kill animals for them. I do not have a real problem with people hunting and killing wild animals. However, I think they should be willing to do the killing for themselves.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)elephant other than greed and ego. And I was under the impression that it was illegal since all these animals are endangered due to the greed of those who kill them for profit.
I am not going to celebrate the death of another human being, but can't help thinking that is one less killer of innocent animals, making them a teeny bit safer.
I hope the elephant survived, it had every right to defend itself.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)I guess everyone needs more information. In the article Ian Gibson's tracker said he would not have shot at the animal if it had not charged him. If he did not plan on killing the animal what was he doing measuring the animal's tusk? Had the client asked him to kill that animal, or were they looking for another animal and just stopped to rest and then spotted the young elephant?
Is it illegal to kill African elephants? Is it illegal to kill baby elephants? Are Africans allowed to let a few foreigners go to Africa and kill some elephants even though it is illegal?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)however you ask a good question, is there a quota for millionaires? I don't know.
valerief
(53,235 posts)What's a few elephant tusks to them when they WANT them?
Coventina
(27,172 posts)In addition to that: the species must not be endangered or threatened, and the killing must be done as quickly and humanely as possible.
Anything else is needless cruelty and vanity on the part of the hunter.
Skittles
(153,202 posts)in this situation, ALL of them were COWARDS
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)I have no sympathy for big game hunters or trophy hunters that get killed by the animals they are hunting.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Why does the American poach-for-pay scumbag need anonymity? Oh, because he doesn't want to be outed as a scumbag murderer hiring hit men?
Yay, little elephant!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Gothmog
(145,626 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,760 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)samsingh
(17,601 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Horton hears a squish?
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)But he didn't, and his death does not upset me.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Iggo
(47,571 posts)If hunting's a sport, I get to pick which team I'm rooting for.
I'm going for the Elephants.
GO ELEPHANTS!!!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Oddly, this time I don't.
At last things grew so exciting that his dear families went off one by one in a hurry to the banks of the great grey-green, greasy Limpopo River, all set about with fever-trees, to borrow new noses from the Crocodile. When they came back nobody spanked anybody any more; and ever since that day, O Best Beloved, all the Elephants you will ever see, besides all those that you won't, have trunks precisely like the trunk of the 'satiable Elephant's Child.
Kipling, The Elephant's Child http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)kairos12
(12,875 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts){insert emoji of elephant grave dancing on hunter's grave}
niyad
(113,587 posts)niyad
(113,587 posts)funny, just the other day, I was telling a friend that I always cheer for the elephants when they rampage (remember a few years ago when there seemed to be a cluster of such incidents)
good for that beautiful baby being.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Especially when you have as much bad karma as this shitheel had.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I fully endorse and am amused by this mans demise.
But, I don't kill for trophies, so maybe that's the difference. I only kill things to eat.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Hunting for food, to me that is a hunter. Killing for glory, to me that is an asshole with a powerful rifle.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I would never even consider taking an animal if I didn't intend to use it.
A lot of big game trophy hunters donate the meat to local tribes, but to me, that's just cheap political cover for what is an obviously immoral motive.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)jalan48
(13,889 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I thought ivory was illegal in the US?
No matter, fuck that guy. He got what he deserved.
Asshole.
niyad
(113,587 posts)this hunting of elephants for their ivory reminds me of the killing of buffalo in this country for trophies. sickening.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Skittles
(153,202 posts)stupid fucking hunters (COWARDS)
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)(Footfall joke/reference)
tblue37
(65,490 posts)cringe. I read it when it first came out. Although I noticed the clunky writing, I ignored it because I enjoyed the story so much. But when I reread the book a couple of years ago, it was a log to get past the weak writing. I have loved SF since I was in 10th grade (1965!), but all too often I have had to close my inner ears and ignore the writing.
I do love the idea that humans failed to recognize the aliens as dangerous because the looked like adorable baby elephants, though with extra "trunks."
I think, too, that Niven and Pournelle handle concept of a "dinosaur killer" asteroid-caused tsunami more effectively than did the two asteroid impact movies from a few years ago.
I also loved the idea of SF authors as the people who are consulted for ideas about how to deal with aggressive aliens bent on conquering and subjugating humans.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)And FYI: the Dallas Safari Club is just as big a bunch of moneyed fuckwits as its name implies. Just trust me on that.
Coventina
(27,172 posts)jodhpurs, smoking pipes and beginning all their statements with "I say!" and ending them with "what?"
"I say! I feel like a spot of polo. Jolly good fun making those ponies run around in the hot sun, what?"
"Quite!"
Paladin
(28,276 posts)The on-the-veldt hunting gear you describe, and the English accessories? Way too stylish for Dallas.
Coventina
(27,172 posts)Evil is so much more fun to mock when there's some material to work with....
Paladin
(28,276 posts)...and I have no doubt there are some gentlemen in their well-heeled membership---it's just not that big a priority, from what I know of the group.
Chellee
(2,102 posts)Throw in a really fake drawl like W.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)I am sure he had to know it was possible he could die doing this. He decided money was worth more than the lives of innocent animals. I don't feel bad about it.
moondust
(20,006 posts)then it was clearly a fair fight and the best animal won.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Go elephants.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I hope the baby elephant is ok.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Sorry, Babar -- you were the hero of my childhood, but this young elephant has supplanted you.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)The whole notion of these safari hunting parties is gross and sick.
May the four-legged animals continue to prevail because homo sapiens is hell bent on destruction and seems to revel in dollars linked to death!
yardwork
(61,712 posts)Aristus
(66,467 posts)Poetic justice if there ever was any...
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)no more ........
C Moon
(12,221 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Telcontar
(660 posts)Solly Mack
(90,788 posts)Bet the elephant was smiling the whole time.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)liberalla
(9,264 posts)The link says he got off a shot at about 10 yards from a 458 rifle and hit the elephant once. (according to the trackers)
I hope the elephant survives and lives a long life.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)sakabatou
(42,177 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)..he got off hit the elephant?
Will the elephant be allowed to continue roaming for now? At least until the next sociopathic ego with a gun comes along?
Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)Useless in FL
(329 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Skittles
(153,202 posts)byronius
(7,401 posts)Ivory is shame without an elephant to carry it.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Not so much for him.
Elephants have long memories....
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)or people who kill just to kill. I only hunt to eat, and don't shoot anything I'm not going to eat, unless it's coyotes or wild dogs on my property. They keep the deer and turkeys away from here.
When I say that I hunt, I mean I *really* hunt. I find out where the deer are by scouting, then go into THEIR TURF and try to get them. I hunt from the ground, stalking/still hunting, and have never used a tree stand. I use full camo and scent blocker, and my eyes and ears. I've had deer walk so close to me that I could have slapped them on the ass before.
I *do* have 2 very nice Bucks mounted, and I was lucky when I got them. I paid over $300 each to have them mounted, and did so to honor them. I don't let people mess with them, and went postal on my daughter's boyfriend one night when he put a hat and bandana on one of them. To me, that is like desecrating them! I told him not to EVER touch my deer head again. I don't hunt for horns.... you can boil them suckers for a week and still can't eat them!
I can't stand people who go on those "caged hunts" either. What kind of skill, or sport, does it take to shoot a drugged animal?? Fuck that noise! When I go, even if I don't get a deer, I have enjoyed some good quality time out in the woods just watching nature happen. Watching the squirrels and chipmunks play, watching the different birds in the woods, listening to the wind in the trees, or the sound of a stream if one is nearby...
Peace,
Ghost
mackerel
(4,412 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Sure hope the elephant is OK.
Flaxbee
(13,661 posts)I shall not comment on my exceedingly low opinion of those who hunt for sport or glee or fun or sheer stupidity and cruelty.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)It ain't like bronzy or goldy or even ivory.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)A. He shouldnt have been doing it.
B. He shouldnt have been doing it.
C. His Karma cashed in hard.
D. Oh Well.
E. Elephants___ 1..........hunters ___20 thousand a year.
shireen
(8,333 posts)The article says that Gibson got one shot off but nothing about whether the elephant was wounded. I hope the poor animal is OK and is left alone.
ThingsGottaChange
(1,200 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)He was probably freaked out -- maybe he and had some kind of idea what was about to go down.
I'm glad he walked away tusks and all.
pansypoo53219
(21,000 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I can't help but smile when trophy hunter assholes get a little payback.
Loryn
(945 posts)Neener neener
hue
(4,949 posts)Esse Quam Videri
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