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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:21 PM Jun 2015

Strong Words...House Democrat says Obama has lost touch with 'the real world' on "TPP"



By Peter Schroeder - 06/10/15 11:57 AM EDT
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/244627-heritage-to-key-vote-against-fast-track

A House Democrat on Wednesday accused President Obama of losing touch with the real world, as his administration pushes for fast-track authority to finish a sweeping trade pact.

Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), who opposes the pending Trans-Pacific Partnership and legislation to help finalize it, said Obama lives “in a cloister” at the White House, while Sherman and his fellow lawmakers “are out seeing the real world.”
“We’re in our districts. We don’t live in a cloister where the only people who can get in are the captains of industry and the titans of Wall Street,”
he said. “We’re the ones that are standing at the county fairs, talking to whoever wants to come up and talk to us.”

Sherman said living in the White House for the last six years had put Obama out of touch with the common American and that he should listen to the perspective of fellow Democrats who oppose him on trade.

“The president should trust us, his 200 most fervent supporters who, unlike him, have a chance to get out and see the real world,” he said. “We have the same values, but we don’t have the same lifestyle.”

Obama and congressional Democrats have clashed for months over the trade pact, with the fight coming to a head in the push to pass fast-track legislation that would allow Obama to finalize terms of the 12-nation agreement by limiting Congress to an up-or-down vote.

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) said it was up to Democrats to defeat the bill and "save President Obama from his advisers."

With a vote set for Friday that would send the fast-track legislation to the president, House Democrats in opposition are still trying to rally support to block it. Critics of the deal gathered outside the Capitol Wednesday to reiterate their opposition and urge Democrats to hold firm and block the bill.

“Now is the time to redouble our efforts,” said Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.). “Failure, my friend, is not an option.”

Labor groups and liberal organizations have been staunchly opposed to the deal, arguing it is a bad for workers. They have vowed they won’t forget which Democrats help pass the legislation come Election Day.

“This is a message to any member of Congress that’s thinking about voting for this unfair trade deal,” said Hasan Solomon with the Machinists Union. “You better start packing your bags right now, because we’re going to fast track you right out of office in 2016.”

The liberal group MoveOn.org vowed it would mobilize its millions of members to oppose Democrats who vote in favor of the pending bill.

“Our members knocked on doors for you, they donated to you,” said Ben Wikler, the group’s Washington director. “They are watching this vote, and they will not forget how you vote on fast track.”



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Strong Words...House Democrat says Obama has lost touch with 'the real world' on "TPP" (Original Post) KoKo Jun 2015 OP
Obama has unfortunately always trusted his advisers over other Democrats. Dawgs Jun 2015 #1
And that puts him in the running for that statement of faint praise made about truedelphi Jun 2015 #12
They are his "advisors".. sendero Jun 2015 #40
It was certainlly obvious early on. He pretended to be progressive to defeat HRC, but rhett o rick Jun 2015 #44
That one choice still turns my stomach. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #51
He couldn't wait to tell the conservatives that his progressive campaign was just to rhett o rick Jun 2015 #64
There was nothing to celebrate for the GLBT+ community Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #67
How about trusting the people who put him in The White House? raindaddy Jun 2015 #56
What an idea!!! lyonn Jun 2015 #61
Call or email the WH. Google WH and go to the contact info. jwirr Jun 2015 #63
yipes. how sad that it's come to this. Doctor_J Jun 2015 #2
+1 SoapBox Jun 2015 #10
Starting with the public option. Scuba Jun 2015 #25
correctomundo! They_Live Jun 2015 #37
Now would be a good time for Obama to have a team of rivals Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #3
He has a team of rivals. dgibby Jun 2015 #8
Very good jab. Sadly, truedelphi Jun 2015 #13
They are excluded from the team though. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #34
Fast track is not the way to go Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #4
The TPP, NAFTA and other agreements that establish special courts, arbitration courts without JDPriestly Jun 2015 #48
Fortunately for Obama, he doesn't have to worry about this SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #5
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #6
Every time... tosh Jun 2015 #7
K & R. Kudos to MoveOn, Reps. Sherman, Kaptur, Delauro, other Dems, labor et al. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #23
I'll second that! swilton Jun 2015 #35
Photo ops chev52 Jun 2015 #9
He has also lost touch with the real world with respect to Iraq n/t markpkessinger Jun 2015 #11
That's for damned sure! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #28
Want to see a female president? FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #14
He is absolutely correct. 99Forever Jun 2015 #15
+ 1 red dog 1 Jun 2015 #18
I'm disappointed also but denvine Jun 2015 #41
This time we do have a choice. 99Forever Jun 2015 #42
You know, there's a perverse part of me... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #45
UGH. War without end, Amen. MADem Jun 2015 #65
They just voted 217 turbinetree Jun 2015 #16
Fantastic post. thanks cali Jun 2015 #17
Obama has certainly Lost Touch with the Democratic Party, bvar22 Jun 2015 #19
Yeah, Paul Ryan, the guy that want to voucherize Medicare. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #27
The only republican voters i've seen supporting it... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #46
Unfortunately, "The Voters" will have NOTHING to do with bvar22 Jun 2015 #68
Kick and R BeanMusical Jun 2015 #20
K&R red dog 1 Jun 2015 #21
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #22
Bravo to him. He's right. 840high Jun 2015 #24
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #26
Kick and share glinda Jun 2015 #29
Strong but accurate and truthful. hifiguy Jun 2015 #30
"The "ivory tower liberal" is an outdated cliché; a debunking of one of the right's favorite myth." pampango Jun 2015 #31
LOL Egnever Jun 2015 #32
Sadly I don't think it is a case of saving him from his advisors Joe Turner Jun 2015 #33
Sadly, I have to agree with you swilton Jun 2015 #36
Agreed. brentspeak Jun 2015 #43
Thank you, KoKo. I have no words left on this subject, it's numbing. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #38
TPA (fast track) is the vote that counts. Where does Hillary stand? salib Jun 2015 #39
With two sides to the coin, IDemo Jun 2015 #57
Hillary would desparately love it to pass LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #66
Ayup. AzDar Jun 2015 #47
I'm with Moveon and I vote. 4dsc Jun 2015 #49
Thats rich coming from Brad. ucrdem Jun 2015 #50
But somehow you're entitled to troll the boards brentspeak Jun 2015 #53
Let me guess, those kids try to teepee your house again? ucrdem Jun 2015 #58
Took him this long to notice Obama lives in fantasy world of his own making? Really? bowens43 Jun 2015 #52
K plus R! /nt RiverLover Jun 2015 #54
I love this warning, it shows they are not playing around. Autumn Jun 2015 #55
Thank you Rep Sherman...Call your Rep today... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #59
K&R nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #60
it's true. barbtries Jun 2015 #62
He's not running again. This is the real Obama. Marr Jun 2015 #69
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
1. Obama has unfortunately always trusted his advisers over other Democrats.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

And, many of those advisers have come straight from Wall Street, Corporations, etc.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. And that puts him in the running for that statement of faint praise made about
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jun 2015

Bill Cliinton: "He's the best guldarn Republican President we have had in a long time!"

sendero

(28,552 posts)
40. They are his "advisors"..
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jun 2015

.... because they PAID to have a seat at the table. As shocking as it may be to so many naive DUers, Obama is BOUGHT and it has be OBVIOUS from year one.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. It was certainlly obvious early on. He pretended to be progressive to defeat HRC, but
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jun 2015

on inauguration day he spit on progressive with his selection of Rick Warren. It was a calculated move IMO to show the conservatives that he was one of them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
64. He couldn't wait to tell the conservatives that his progressive campaign was just to
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

get passed HRC. He couldn't wait until after inauguration day. He didn't want the Left to celebrate even one day.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
67. There was nothing to celebrate for the GLBT+ community
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

Florida's Proposition H8 had already won at that point.

Inviting Rick Warren's gay-bashing reputation on the stage with him was just another slap in the face.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
56. How about trusting the people who put him in The White House?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

Why shove a bill that unions, environmentalists and the majority of Democrats don't want down our throats?

lyonn

(6,064 posts)
61. What an idea!!!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jun 2015

I am one of them. Writing my congress person is worthless as Okla. is bought and sold.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
3. Now would be a good time for Obama to have a team of rivals
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

Did he throw that away with transparency?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
48. The TPP, NAFTA and other agreements that establish special courts, arbitration courts without
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:21 AM
Jun 2015

juries of ordinary people that welcome corporate, but not individual citizens, as plaintiffs place corporations way above humans in terms of legal rights and legal means to try to get what they want.

It's a corporate coup.

It makes Citizen's United look good. And that is bad for human beings.

These international agreements give corporations rights, international corporate rights, that we ordinary humans do not enjoy.

That is why I keep saying that the TPP is a corporate coup.

Multinationals through these agreements establish a supranational government of their own. Corporations can be citizens of more than one country. We humans can be citizens of only maybe three or four maximum -- by birth, by marriage, by parentage, etc.

With these international agreements, we are seeing the formation of an international government system that serves the needs and protects the interests of corporations. We humans and our national governments are being overwhelmed.

What is strange to me is that Republicans who complain about international organizations that serve human needs, organizations like the United Nations, support these trade agreements that create international trade courts and govern the governments of our nations more intrusively than do international organizations like the United Nations.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
5. Fortunately for Obama, he doesn't have to worry about this
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jun 2015
]You better start packing your bags right now, because we're going to fast track you right out of office in 2016.

Guessing he doesn't care about those who do have to worry about 2016.

tosh

(4,424 posts)
7. Every time...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

I think I might end my monthly auto-payment to MoveOn, they do something awesome like this.

The liberal group MoveOn.org vowed it would mobilize its millions of members to oppose Democrats who vote in favor of the pending bill.

“Our members knocked on doors for you, they donated to you,” said Ben Wikler, the group’s Washington director. “They are watching this vote, and they will not forget how you vote on fast track.”
 

chev52

(71 posts)
9. Photo ops
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

Like Obama really cares about what democrats think. In a couple of years he'll be on the speech trail going for the big money and doing photo ops with Clinton and Bush whenever there is a disaster somewhere.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. He is absolutely correct.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't think Obama could disappoint me any more. I was wrong. I have never regretted voting for anyone as much as I do him.

denvine

(802 posts)
41. I'm disappointed also but
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jun 2015

What choice did we have? It would have been Hillary if she won in the Primary or it would have been Romney/Ryan. Think about it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
45. You know, there's a perverse part of me...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:16 AM
Jun 2015

That would have liked to see a Romney/Ryan presidency play out. Like in an alternate universe, out of morbid curiosity.

Those two dudes... that honeymoon would have been over by February. Can the president fire the vice president? Can that be opposed? 'Cause I'm almost certain the republican party would have torn itself to pieces over the course of that flatulent administration, teahadists vs. corporatists.

It would be fascinating to watch.. .but I have to say I wouldn't want to live there.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Obama has certainly Lost Touch with the Democratic Party,
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

and is counting on Republicans to pass his agenda.
The fact that Republicans ARE supporting Obama on the "Trade Deals" should scare the jebus out of every Democrat, and most Republicans in this country.


Paul Ryan is Obama's "Go To Guy" in the House on the Trade Deal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026814861

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
46. The only republican voters i've seen supporting it...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jun 2015

Are the ones who just reflexively support whatever might piss a liberal off. The thinking ones all hate it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
68. Unfortunately, "The Voters" will have NOTHING to do with
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015

.....whether this piece of nastiness forged in the furnaces Mordor passes.

Our Politicians (I refuse to call them representatives anymore) will decide for the entire nation.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
26. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jun 2015
Obama has lost touch with 'the real world' on "TPP"
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. Strong but accurate and truthful.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

Nothin' wrong with that. Bravo, Reps Sherman, Kaptur and de Lauro!

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
32. LOL
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015
You better start packing your bags right now, because we’re going to fast track you right out of office in 2016


And we will replace you with republicans who are dismantling unions across the country!!!


 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
33. Sadly I don't think it is a case of saving him from his advisors
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jun 2015

I believe Obama has always been for these corporate insider trade deals much as the DNC/3rd-Way crowd has always been. When he was running the first time it was easy for him to be critical of past trade agreements because it gave him populist appeal. Like other popular issues he ran on then it didn't him long to jettison them once he became president.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
43. Agreed.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jun 2015

One of the very last things Obama did as senator was shill for the Wall Street bailouts. His allegiance to the 1% precedes his presidency.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
66. Hillary would desparately love it to pass
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Because its what all her big donors want.

But she's a smart politician and so she'll wait to see if it passes or fails first.

If it fails, she can then say the deal has always had problems, and that she is the person that could fix those problems.

if if passes, she can say Well, its passed now, so we will all have to work with it and look at the good aspects of the deal.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
53. But somehow you're entitled to troll the boards
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jun 2015

by posting goofy, unflattering photos of Democratic reps without any substantive accompanying text.

Exactly the crap printed on the cover of the New York Post.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
58. Let me guess, those kids try to teepee your house again?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jun 2015

p.s. good rundown from Josh Earnest:


Published on Jun 11, 2015

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
55. I love this warning, it shows they are not playing around.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jun 2015

“This is a message to any member of Congress that’s thinking about voting for this unfair trade deal,” said Hasan Solomon with the Machinists Union. “You better start packing your bags right now, because we’re going to fast track you right out of office in 2016.”

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
59. Thank you Rep Sherman...Call your Rep today...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

Whitehouse Comments: 202-456-1111

United States Capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
69. He's not running again. This is the real Obama.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

Remember when he didn't know his mic was on, and was overheard telling someone he'd have much more 'flexibility' in his second term? Yeah, this is the direciton he bends.

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