Jill and Jessa say parents put locks on bedroom doors to keep Josh out. Unreal.

[madfloridian]

That is just so outrageous to read. The interview posted tonight by Time also says that DHS bragged on what an amazing job the parents were doing.

Wasn't there anyone who cared enough about right and wrong to do something before the statute of limitations ran out?


Picture is from the original interview at People Magazine

I'm not buying those tears from Jill.

Jill Dillard and Jessa Seewald: Our Parents ‘Put Locks on the Doors’

Jessa Seewald and Jill Dillard say their parents used “safeguards” to protect them from their brother, Josh Duggar, after he molested them as well as two of their sisters when they were young.

....Their parents put “locks on the doors,” said Jill. “You know, everybody’s in bed. Girls in the girls’ room. Boys in the boys’ room … as a mother now I look back, and I think, you know, my parents did such an amazing job for me. Even when we went through the DHS investigation they complimented my parents on what an amazing job they did through that process.”

Jim Bob told Kelly on Wednesday that after Josh confessed at 14 that he had “improperly touched his sisters” while they were sleeping,” that he and his wife put “safeguards” into place to try to prevent him from doing it again.

Jessa, 22, said she and her sister wanted to come forward to talk about what their brother had done to them. “This is something we chose to do – nobody asked us to do this,” said Jessa about speaking out for the first time since police reports revealed that the eldest of the Duggar children was investigated in 2006 for molesting five underage girls as a teen.

Sounds like terms they were coached to use in their excuse of Josh's behavior.

“Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls,” says Jessa. “And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping.”

Locks on the doors when they went to bed? That's just pathetic.

Seems like those who were supposed to be the watchmen were in actuality the enablers of this cultish behavior.

[shenmue]

1. Sounds like they were blaming the girls

[dflprincess]

2. Interesting they put locks on the girls' door

they should have locked Josh in the same room with Mums and Dads so they could keep an eye on him.

I really wish CPS would check on the minor children that are still in that home. Given the upbringing those kids have, I can't believe Josh is the only twisted kid they've raised.

[shenmue]

4. Oh yeah

[Avalux]

19. Kids learn by example.

I can't help but think there's more to this than what we're being told, and who knows - maybe this sort of thing is systemic in the family.

[madfloridian]

22. I agree. More than we are being told.

[MoonRiver]

45. That's what I think also.

Who knows what kind of dirt has been swept under the proverbial carpet.

[tblue37]

28. Mom and Dad were constantly going at it to make mor babies, so they wouldn't

have him in their room.

[Jamastiene]

37. They were too busy trying to make more kids to let him in there

with them. Notice how they have all these kids then put the older kids in charge of the rest of the kids? They are too busy making more kids to even protect half the ones they already have from the other half, it seems.

The whole thing is disgusting to me.

[madfloridian]

3. Sort of changes things if they were so fearful they had to lock the bedroom doors.

Sort of doesn't sound so innocent.

[CANDO]

61. And who could possibly sleep....

Through someone fondling your genitals? Sort of like they're suggesting it's ok because they slept through it.

[PSPS]

5. Why isn't this in LBN? That's where all Duggar stories are going.

[madfloridian]

6. Why would I put it in LBN?

I gather you don't approve. Sorry about that.

When I taught I had to call abuse hotlines or get fired or arrested. It was an awful thing to have to do, and I resent how this family is manipulating the media.

[Raine1967]

8. Why should it be?

It's just fine, here in GD.

[MADem]

33. LBN is the original story. This is simply detail.

Read the LBN SOP, you'll see.

[Raine1967]

7. WAIT A MINUTE:

“Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls,” says Jessa. “And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping.”


they were little girls then and now they are excusing acts of incest upon them. If that isn't classic abuse, I do not know what is. They are still in an abusive situation. The are not free enough to claim that their brother abused them or that their father excused it.

I feel badly for these women. let's recap this…

MOST OF IT WAS WHILE THE GIRLS WERE SLEEPING

it was mild??? molestation has levels of mild to severe? What the hell!!

how is that even a truthful statement? how do they know unless they were witnessing it?
I have no question in my mind that this was something they were told to say.

[madfloridian]

9. Sounds scripted for sure.

Locking the girls in because their brother was abusive. That's sick.

[3catwoman3]

17. On Stephanie Miller's radio show the morning, the...

...question was raised as to whether the Duggars would be so willing to dismiss this "mild" molestation of clothed, sleeping girls if it had been perpetrated by a non-family member.

Good damn question.

[oberliner]

41. "molestation has levels of mild to severe?"

Of course it does.

It doesn't mean that even the mildest form isn't despicable, but there are more severe forms as well.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Jill. Jessa. Josh. Duggar. Duggars. All now on the trash list. Not my business and I don't get

guilty pleasure even knowing about them.

[madfloridian]

12. Well then you won't see my response. To hell with "guilty pleasure" you mention.

If that's what you think about this, I am concerned.

I have seen first hand a man sent to prison because a child in my classroom told me about the abuse. It was a terrible time with his family threatening me and the child.

Guilty pleasure my hind foot. Shame on you. You won't see this but others will.

[Renew Deal]

46. If you had a family threaten you over it you can understand why people wouldn't want to relive it.

I feel like some of the public response is piling on. These girls are now having their lives messed with over "guilty pleasure." Your post claiming that the tears are fake is outrageous. These are real people with real lives and I would expect people to be more sensitive. But the destruction of this family is apparently important to some.

[madfloridian]

68. You make good points. But they are living it publicly.

It's sad I agree, in fact it is tragic. The girls are the victims.

[JI7]

79. it's not others causing destruction.remember that they put themselves

In public. Jessa husbsnd is always saying offensive shit offensive on facebook.

Much of this is an attempt to keep the tlc show and money coming in.

[alp227]

31. This is a politically active family that smears LGBT's as child abusers.

Specifically, Michelle Duggar (the mother) recorded a robocall to voters in Fayetteville, AR against an LGBT equality voter initiative: "I don’t believe the citizens of Fayetteville would want males with past child predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls. I doubt that Fayetteville parents would stand for a law that would endanger their daughters or allow them to be traumatized by a man joining them in their private space."

Josh Duggar, as an adult, became executive director of the Family Research Council's political action committee. The Family Research Council is a known anti-LGBT group.

In my opinion, the Duggars are right there with the Kochs and Bushes/BFEE in right wing families that are harming America.

[hollysmom]

11. isn't it a fire hazard to lock kids in their rooms?

[madfloridian]

13. Yes. Also I would think it borders on not being exactly legal?

Something is very wrong with that picture.

[Kalidurga]

15. It is an admission of guilt

they knew he was more likely than not going to reoffend. And I believe he did.

[Renew Deal]

48. They weren't locked in.

According to them everyone was locked out. The people in the room controlled the locks. That the same way a bathroom door works.

[Renew Deal]

47. According to the girls, they weren't locked in.

Everyone was locked out.

[madfloridian]

78. When my kids were little I would not have let them be behind locked doors from inside either.

As they got older maybe, but not when they were small. Having Josh locked in or locked out is disturbing.

[Gormy Cuss]

14. Probably never occurred to their parents to put a lock on the boys' bedroom. n/t

[madfloridian]

16. Of course not.

Not in a patriarchal family. I think they made things worse with the interview. I really think they did.

[Warpy]

35. Yeah, it let people see just how effed up that freaky family really is

That many kids can't be well supervised, period, and they certainly don't get enough parental attention. In addition, the girls are devalued as human beings, only the boys are valued.

CPS should have stepped in years ago. Oh, wait, the parents covered the incest up.

[Renew Deal]

49. In the interviews I've seen there were locks on both sets of doors.

[Gormy Cuss]

76. Well, that's a start.n/t

[Liberal_in_LA]

18. the house was built to keep Josh away from the girls. pics

Josh would have had to walk down long catwalk to get at his sisters


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026779454

[MADem]

34. He'd have to tip past the parents' room, too!

Looks like they knew they had a problem.

Most parents would put the rugrats at one end of the house and keep the other end as a retreat for themselves.

[Renew Deal]

50. Did you do that with your kids?

Did you have boys and girls sharing a room?

[MADem]

59. There are two separate rooms at one end of that house, and one

separate room at the other end.

No need for room sharing if there are separate rooms available...of course, if there's a pervert son in a dysfunctional family where the girls were reluctant to speak out, that is a different situation. No wonder they hid the girls behind the parental room.

I suppose some might wonder where the son got the idea that acting out like that was ok. Was it a learned behavior? Given the whole creepy nature of this story, it's probably a fair question.

[tularetom]

72. WTF? The only way for the girls to get out of their room was through the parents suite?

I guess they didn't want those sinful girls getting out of their room and tempting their brothers with their, you know, evil girl parts.

The level of disrespect and mistrust that these lowlives have for their female offspring is just astounding. And my guess is the abuse we know about is just the tip of the iceberg.

[waddirum]

75. I think that this is the new home that TLC built for the family after the show began

I believe the molestation occurred prior to the show in their old home.

[gratuitous]

20. Two things

First, the Duggars talk about this without any clue that 95% of their fellow Americans find this reprehensible. They don't know what "normal" is, or even what approximates "normal."

Second, I see where the paterfamilias decided to handle Josh on his own because he had "heard" that treatment of young sex offenders had a poor success rate (somewhere in the 30% range). I don't know why he thought his own amateur efforts were going to be an improvement over trained professionals. But I guess that's the difference between God and Jim Bob: God never thinks he's Jim Bob.

[madfloridian]

21. Well said,love your last sentence.

[brer cat]

65. I agree with both points.

Your last sentence is one for the ages.

[Phentex]

77. Agreed!

Locking the doors is just so normal.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. Keep in mind this guy was a major right-wing celebrity with Mike Huckabee....

An anti-gay activist piously preaching about chastity.

I REALLY hate these people.

[madfloridian]

24. They have really messed up by airing their dirty laundry on TV.

I think people who had not paid attention before really saw what hypocrites they are.

[Initech]

27. I hate anyone that demonizes others while committing the same crime.

The Duggars victimized and demonized the LGBT community and especially trans people by calling them child predators, while ignoring a child predator in their own fucking house!! They get no right to be moral crusaders anymore.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. Is it any WONDER the Millenials are rejecting religion?

The only religious guy I saw on TV as a kid was the kindly old man blessing the new day between the test pattern and the farm report.

Oh,...and this guy...



Things didn't work out well for him either....

[Throckmorton]

40. and don't forget the lizard bosses.

On V.

[tblue37]

25. They refer to his victims in the third person, even though they were both victims. nt

[JI7]

30. most likely they were taught that Josh was the true victim and they were at fault

[riderinthestorm]

70. I noticed that. Jill and Jessa use a passive "girls" instead of saying the abuse happened to "us"

Or "we" or "me".

Sounds soooo scripted and certainly in self-denial.

[Initech]

26. God the more that is revealed about this, the weirder it gets.

I thought the tipping point was when the guy they sent Josh to for "counseling" was arrested for child porn, but nope, it gets weirder and weirder and weirder.

[Purveyor]

29. I fear for what is still going on within this 'cult-like' family.... eom

[Jamastiene]

36. So, they left it up to the girls to fend for themselves, really.

Never mind actually teaching him not to go molest them in their sleep. Instead, put the responsibility on the girls to lock their doors at night.

That's more of the "boys will be boys" mentality that enables rape culture to continue unabated. Put all of the responsibility on the females to keep the males from raping/molesting us.

[Judi Lynn]

38. Unfortunately, they had to leave their rooms sometimes.

Or, are we supposed to believe he only molested them when they didn't know about it?

How ugly would it be to live in a house with someone who molested you and you couldn't mention it, or get help, and simply had to grin and bear it, or someone would get mad at you?

[LovingA2andMI]

39. Trying to be Sympathetic to Jill and Jessa BUT....

If we can borrow this quote please:

“Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls,” says Jessa. “And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping.”

BS! Josh was repeatedly inappropriately touching her Siblings, including a Sibling as YOUNG AS FIVE YEARS OLD!!!

Yes, we are SHOUTING THIS! What the freaking heck are they talking about? They being Jessa and Jill. WAKE UP you two -- There is NOTHING at ALL to be CURIOUS about groping on a FIVE YEAR OLD. NOTHING at ALL!!

Furthermore, what about the other Girl who was not a Sibling of Josh that was harmed. Was he "Curious" about her too?

Wonder what are her feelings about this "Curious" statement of Jessa and Jill. Better yet, she has remained quiet -- as she has every freaking right to do -- as a VICTIM of JOSH.

Which is why its DISGUSTING - rather SICK and downright IMMORAL Jessa and Jill feel as if they have Carte Blanche to explain Josh's so-called "curiously" for each of his three other VICTIMS. Including one that is not of their Cult Like Family.

Also, there is a lie in the above statement. Here is the lie.
"...but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping."

It is suspected the FIVE YEAR OLD was inappropriately touched at least once if not more, when her eyes were WIDE OPEN. When Josh was "Babysitting" her, reading the child a BOOK! It's in the Police Report so what the heck are they talking about AGAIN?

Next, here's two last points, one of which we will SHOUT as it seems it continues to be missed:
JOSH'S INAPPROPRIATE TOUCHING OCCURRED WHILE JIM BOB DUGGAR WAS AN ARKANSAS STATE LEGISLATOR AND VICE-CHAIR OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONS COMMITTEE.

Why is that important. This is why the initial cover-up occurred. 1+2 =3 Get It?

Jim Bob could not allow this to be reported to the police initially while serving as VICE CHAIR OF THE CORRECTIONS AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE in the Arkansas State House. What a scandal it would have became .

So, he and Michelle ALLOWED JOSH to continue his behavior until eight months before the first initial TLC "Duggar" Special aired. Read that again PLEASE.

Then when they "Reported It" -- they took it to a Police Official Jim Bob knew full well would assist with the Cover-Up -- who had issues as a Child Molester yet uncovered, himself. Read that again Twice PLEASE.

How would Jim Bob know the "Right" Official in Law Enforcement to take this too. One that would do exactly what Jim Bob and Michelle wanted -- which was to sit on this crap until the Legal Statues of Limitations Ran Out. How would he know?

Because he was the former-- VICE CHAIR OF THE CORRECTIONS AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE in the Arkansas State House!!! So, he would have first insights on who was right for the picking in Law Enforcement or COVER UP if one will.

Lastly, if Josh was African-American. Well, we know or should know, if Josh was African-American, he would have been arrested, charged, convicted and still labeled as a Child Molester to THIS DAY.

So excuse us as we SHOUT FOR THE LAST TIME -- Jessa and Jill do NOT SPEAK FOR ALL OF JOSH'S VICTIMS and IF TLC THINKS ONE SECTION of allowing this show to air -- the true rapture of Americans not buying this manufactured "Woe is Josh" BS will come to full fruition.

[avebury]

51. Their coverup is exactly what did the Duggars in.

By waiting to "report" Josh's crimes they intentionally waited until Dad was out of office and the statute of limitations had expired. Now if Josh had actually been charged and convicted of a crime, his juvenile record could have been sealed. But he was not charged and convicted therefore there was no juvenile record, only a police report and "investigation". There was nothing illegal about publicly releasing that police report. And it cannot be pointed out as illegal because of releasing information on the victims. An attorney on Weekends with Alex Witt stated that the US Supreme Court back in 1989 found laws protecting victim's names (or something like that) to be unconstitutional. While the Duggars might hate that their dirty little secrets have come out, there is nothing illegal about the fact that the information came out.

It will be interesting to see if the Duggars are stupid enough to try to sue the police in civil court. If I were the attorney for the person who would be sued I would be "bring it on" because all a civil suit would do would be doubling down on their blatant stupidity. The interviews of the parents and the girls have already proven to be a bad idea, just think about what would come out in court when the opposing attorney would not be treating them with kid gloves. The Duggars would have to testify to prove that they have been harmed and they would be totally hammered on the stand. A civil suit would be the proverbial coup de grace on their reputations and they will never be able to come back from that.

[Renew Deal]

53. Is there proof that there is nothing illegal about the record coming out?

Last edited Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Can people walk into a police station and out any rape victim they want?

[avebury]

56. It is not a record, it is a police report which

is why I think that the attorneys keep saying that releasing the redacted police report is no an illegal act. And the 1989 Supreme Court ruling eliminates trying to make it a case that you cannot release victim's names. Technically they didn't release the victim's names it is just that because everyone knows the family you could pretty much figure out who the victims are (with the exception of the non-family member). The attorney on Alex Witt's show was pretty clear that the information was fair game under FOIA. Josh Duggar was never charged with a crime. Even if it was considered that Josh had a juvenile record, it is also a fact that juvenile records are not always automatically sealed anyway. If the family did not submit a request it could have remained unsealed, therefore again making it fair game for release.

And actually, in the city I live in, if you have a few bucks to fork over you can obtain a copy of a police report. You just need to know what information to give the police on what report you want a copy of. In Touch Magazine just happened to submit their FOIA request before the Judge had the opportunity to order the report be destroyed. The magazine just happened to find someone sympathetic to the request and they got the redacted report. If it was an illegal act for the report to be released don't you think that a pissed off judge wouldn't order that the prosecutor's office investigate it?

[Renew Deal]

58. Can't answer your last question.

This thing needs to play out. It doesn't seem fair that an investigation report where no charges are filed and the victims and offenders are minors can be released. Especially for this type of crime.

[avebury]

62. Some may think that it is not fair, but fairness

may not play a role in this matter.

If you read the letter from the Office of City Attorney, Ernest B. Cater, you will see that no law was broken when the police file was released.

https://www.facebook.com/SpringdaleAR/photos/a.10150167525513588.307174.219446888587/10153385332793588/?type=1


Just in case you cannot bring up this facebook link here is another link.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/release-of-josh-duggar-police-report-was-legal-under-arkansa#.gjK5Pzx38Z

The key is that the requested record was not sealed or expunged and, at the that the report was filed, the person was an adult.

If the parents want to complain that their daughters were re-victimized, they have only themselves to blame. Even though the names of the victims were redacted, as soon as the parents dragged their whole family onto national TV they pretty much made is easy for people to figure out the names of the victimized family members.

[Renew Deal]

64. I think there is an assumption of sophistication that really isn't really there.

These people think it's something that happened in the past, so it wasn't something to worry about. They got too famous.

[avebury]

66. It is pretty clear that the Duggars are playing way outside of their league.

What is interesting is that Jim Bob claimed that the Springdale Police Chief was bribed to release the police report.

In Touch has a paper trail that proves city attorneys reviewed the FOI request and approved the records’ release. Further, Jim Bob’s “bribe or personal agenda” explanation for the records’ release loses all credibility in light of the fact that a SECOND police report detailing Josh’s crimes was obtained by In Touch magazine through FOIA.

That second report comes from the Washington County Sheriff’s Office, and the Springdale police chief has no involvement in deciding if those records can be released.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/05/in-touch-magazine-destroys-duggars-for-lying-on-fox-news/

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917

It would be interesting to see if the Police Chief has legal grounds for a good civil suit against the Duggars for Defamation of Character or something like that.


What is really sad is the Conservative/Republican movement towards the dumbing down of American society results in people like the Duggars.

[newfie11]

42. I guess I'm to old for this

Is this all a publicity stunt? I've never seen the show these people are on and know nothing about them but all the dirty laundering coming out makes me suspect ratings might be behind this.

As I said I've seen their show and know nothing about them.

[madfloridian]

63. No it's for real.

They are part of the Quiverfull movement....they let God decide how many kids they will have. God is at 19 now and maybe still counting.

They are also part of the Christian patriarchal movement in which the father of the family is all powerful and the women look adoringly at their husbands...and women are lesser.

I don't watch their show, but I follow their antics on the internet. They frequently tweet how everyone is going to hell, especially gays.

They are super duper hypocrites.

[spinbaby]

43. Am I remembering correctly?

Isn't this the family where engaged couples aren't allowed to touch each other?

[Renew Deal]

52. Yes

And the marriages border on arranged (not judging arranged marriages).

[CANDO]

60. Side hug!

No frontal hugging.

[GeorgeGist]

44. They've learned to follow the script ...

and collect a paycheck.

[Recursion]

54. All too real, sadly

[Sunlei]

55. even in hotels and TV show sets? how about baby sitters, house keepers...

[avebury]

57. Wouldn't you like to ask the TLC film crew the following question?

In all the time that TLC filmed the Duggars at home, did not one member of the film crew ever notice that there was lock on the girls' bedroom door and not the boys' room?

If I noticed something like that, it would at least give me pause to think that something might not be right in that household. After all, this is in the US not someplace like the Middle East. Something like that would make me really keep my eyes open for what was going on around me.

[KarenS]

67. Several things are really bothering me about all of this:

All of this talk about over the clothes, under the clothes, a few seconds, while the girls were sleeping. They were and are taking Josh's word for this because apparently no one saw or knew or was willing or able to talk about it. People doing these kinds of behaviors lie and minimize over and over,,,, even victims minimize because the truth is painful and they don't want to upset parents. That's why folks need to go to therapists that deal with sexual abuse and incest. In some states (I don't know about Arkansas), you cannot see a therapist for sexual abuse and incest without filing a police report even if the abuse happened years ago. It bothered me that the sisters called themselves and others victims while also stating that it was "just" Josh's curiosity and bad choices. Child molesters and pedophiles don't wake up one day at age 30 and decide to molest,,,, it starts and develops and evolves. It sounds to me like 14 or 15 yo Josh wanted help, wanted to stop, knew he was wrong and said something to his parents, who then started their own minimizing & explaining & fixing with benefit of professional help. While they've been accusing everyone else of having an agenda, so did they.
The whole thing is like watching a train wreck and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one having nightmares over this.

[prayin4rain]

69. Can't see a therapist for sexual abuse without a police report? !

That sounds like a law with good intentions but terrible ramifications.

[KarenS]

71. At least that's the way it was 20 plus years ago.

It takes decisions away from folks unwilling or unable to make such difficult decisions.

I dunno.

[KarenS]

73. Having thought about this a little more,

I think if it is a minor that is receiving the therapy for sexual abuse/incest, then a police report must be filed or that's the way it was.

[prayin4rain]

74. Yeah, if the therapist knows a child is in danger, it makes

sense that they'd have to report it.

[deathrind]

80. This meme...

Of he was just a young boy who made a bad choice that the incident/s really is no big deal says a lot about the mental stability of this family.

In the interview with the parents the mother made a comment about what other families they are friends with have had to deal with again downplaying what their son did...someone needs to remind these people that this is a serious crime/issue be it touching thru clothes or full on assault. This is not an issue that you measure the seriousness from 1-10 like a pain scale at the doctors office. 1 is just as bad as 10.

[Sanity Claws]

81. What about when the girls were home alone

With josh?
The younger children were left in the charge of the older children. Did the parents make sure that josh was never left alone with the young ones?