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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis whole thing is crazy
Someone was banned, by the owners of this site and I keep reading post after,post after, post from a group that are pissed off. Well I found this in the Terms of Service.
By registering a Democratic Underground account, you agree to abide by these terms. A single violation of any of these terms could result in your posting privileges being revoked without warning.
The Democratic Underground Administrators have a great deal of confidence in our system of citizen jurors and software tools, but we are well aware that trolls are constantly on the lookout for new ways to cause trouble and therefore on rare occasions it may necessary for us to revoke a member's posting privileges for reasons that are not covered by these Terms of Service. Because of this necessity, we retain the right to revoke any member's posting privileges at any time for any reason.
There is more if you look at the terms of service. The point is the owners have the right to ban someone, whether you think it was right or not. All the pissing and moaning about DU, Skinner, and Earl G. won't change things, it's only making it a lot worse. This is a site for democrats, liberals, progressives, and populists to come and try and get democrats elected, it says that right in the Terms of Service. We need to come together, not keep on fighting and slinging mud like children on the playground.
One of the three candidates we have running WILL be the nominee, we need to accept the fact it might not be the one we want, but attacking each other won't change things. We can't we at least try to follow the rules set out here by the owners and get democrats elected?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)If this had been added to one of the other 10 threads on this subject.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)The owners have the right to ban anyone. There are rules in the Terms of Service. Everyone should read them.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)My two cents.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Just saying.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)he was a good poster. :/
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Some are a lot newer than this one. Are you also going on those threads and asking them the same question?
TexasProgresive
(12,159 posts)Everybody starts their own thread.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Are pretty much the same thing, a lot of complaining because a poster was banned by the owners and his buddies are all pissed off. The terms of service are pretty easy to find, and everyone should read them.
-none
(1,884 posts)Then see how that shoe fits.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Takes waaaaaaay to long to load.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)ATA forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259
And, per Skinner's locked thread at the top of GD...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.
Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I wonder how many of those threads are on DU tonight?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)About a ban, a jury decision, etc. I am pointing out the rules that can be read in the terms of service. There is a difference there.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Congrats. You made a thread complaining about DU and its members.
You got me.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)still_one
(92,422 posts)they don't have a shirt or shoes
Cleita
(75,480 posts)This is more like a private club whose rules you are supposed to follow.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I'll start by stating my bias. I am a Hillary supporter, going all the way back to 2007.
I know that NYC Skip wasn't. And that he alluded to a bad word when describing her, or something like that.
Here is my question:
Isn't this something that can be resolved? Can't he appeal the decision? Is he allowed to apologize, serve a suspension and then get reinstated so that he can post here again?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)But one group here wants to stir things up, and piss and moan.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)I am sure you can figure it out. It's pretty obvious.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)I am pretty sure you can find it by reading for yourself. Most people can.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Funny how that works.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But you knew that.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)However they keep throwing the bait out to lots of posters trying to get them to take the bait.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)This is after all JUST an internet message board.
Edit: Sometimes I think I'm back in junior high here.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Sometimes people are reinstated. But posting thread after thread in GD helps nothing.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Aren't these threads the very definition of meta?
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I think it has gotten a bit boring. Maybe that's because I'm not on either side.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)You may know all of this, but I am posting it for others also as there is has been a lot of confusion about this.
Each forum and group has a button over the threads "about this forum". That takes you to a page that has the Statement of Purpose for that particular forum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.
The "for more information" link in that takes you to the pinned thread of Skinner's at the top of GD.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978
This discussion thread is pinned and locked. It is closed to new replies.
The Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum says this:
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden.
In an effort to provide greater clarity to members posting in this forum -- and to hosts trying to enforce this statement of purpose -- here is a detailed list of examples that should give some idea of where the line is drawn. As much as possible, we have attempted to describe current hosting practices rather than to place greater restrictions on what can be posted.
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DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.
Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.
As to what Duers who volunteer as Hosts do, there is this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem
Forum Hosts have one very simple job: they lock discussion threads which violate the Statement of Purpose for the forum they are hosting. When determining whether a thread violates the Statement of Purpose they must use their own best judgment and only consider the content of the OP (Original Post -- the post which begins the thread).....
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)going now DO fit that label of "disruptive meta-discussion." But hey, I'm a newbie, so what do I know lol?
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)The link is found in the "about this forum" place, here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002
There are qualifications though, once you meet them, please volunteer as it is a good thing to do and educational. It is often a thankless job, and all volunteer. Still, they do the best they can to keep this place running within the guidelines.
Q. Who is eligible to serve as a forum Host?
A. You are eligible to serve as a Forum Host if you have a 100% chance of serving on a Jury. This means that you must:
Have posted more than 2,000 times
Have 200 or more days of membership
Have posted more than 20 times in the last 90 days
Have had zero hidden posts in the last 90 days
Be a Star Member
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I have a ways to go on a couple of those criteria, but I will keep it in mind.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)are knocking the Duggars off the front page.
Something to be said for that!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Really, I haven't seen such a tempest in a teapot since the Lounge wars of yore!
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)around the adoption of the metric system!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)FSogol
(45,529 posts)interests....
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)So confusing. I see poeple arguing that he should be given a second chance, though.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Are saying he should not have been banned. Lots of people are trying to say it was all because he was a Sanders supporter. Others are saying "only" those who support Hillary are safe from being banned. Plus there are a lot of other excused going on for why he shouldn't have been banned.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...is because it was an utterly obvious case of throwing the misogynist term back in the face of the troll who used it first.He was making something of an obtuse joke about it (rather than being really direct and explicit), and the term really shouldn't appear here at all (I can certainly see a hide and even a reaming from the mods), but to ban a long-time member with a record of putting in the effort to host groups, etc. is an insane over-reaction.
That troll's post is gone (auto-removed after the troll's account went bye-bye), but the poster snagglepuss saved the exchange:
Feel the Bern.
If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,
she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.
I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...
Skip's reply:
Welcome to DU, Feel the Bern! And yes, it's a Cunning Stunt!
I say that to myself every day, over an over.
It can be a tongue twister!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Said poster is too big to fail. The rules don't apply to them. Fortunately, the owners of the site don't feel the same when it comes to sexist behavior.
No doubt people love stirring the pot when the chance arises. I think they are better at it, then actual discussion of topics and issues.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)The behavior you speak of has made democrats losers way to many times.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Works better that way.