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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe it's seriously time to draft Joe Biden?
Hillary is becoming damaged goods. Her big selling point, her electability, which caused many to overlook her conservacrat-leaning ways, is no longer a certainty. Her negatives are climbing and her lead in match-ups with is GOP dwindling.
as for the others:
- Bernie Sanders: I love him and he'd be a great president in an ideal world, but anyone who thinks he can win a general election simply isn't being realistic.
- Martin O'Malley: Seems like a nice guy, but the reaction of 90 percent of Americans is "Who?" And I don't see how a relative unknown takes on the Koch/Adelson machine
- Lincoln Chafee: Ditto, but even moreso.
- Jim Webb: Ugh
- Warren: Aint running
We need an alternative to Hillary, but the bench is lacking.
As the sitting VP, Biden definitely has the name recognition to match any of the GOP side and is an energetic presence. He's not as left as would like, but moreso than Hillary. And he's damn good in a debate.
His gaffes can be a little annoying, but I'll take those any day over more stuff like this:
Maybe it's time to reconsider and give Joe a second look.
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KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Even Chafee brings four. 
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Remember, he's just lost a son. Now is not the time for this. Maybe six months from now.
In addition, Barack Obama was a "who?" this far out from the election.
Our party has been great at producing largely unknown candidates with good staff and getting them elected.
And Sanders has been drawing Obama-like crowds.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)given the family loss, but such a movement would take a little time to organize and is worth thinking about.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)are accepted fact. In November 2016 you'll get to vote for her.
Those talking points will have run their course by then.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)This is, after all, the couple who gave us the Mark Rich pardon - something that was unethical, inexcusable and has never been explained away.
I've never trusted the Clintons, from Dick Morris consulting to the NAFTA sell-out.
HornBuckler
(1,015 posts)
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Even though I am still leaning towards my governor at this time. O'Malley for now.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I believe it might be wise to wait just a bit......
FSogol
(45,488 posts) 
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #6)
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JI7
(89,252 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)about Martin O'Malley. The election season is just beginning, it doesn't have to finish or be settled today.
Here's a good start:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm going to watch that again but I think that's exactly what was said.
She couldn't have!!!
Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given millions to the Clinton Foundation.
And then a LOT of those arms manufacture's dollars went back to the Clintons in the form of high priced speaking fees.
By David Sirota @davidsirota d.sirota@ibtimes.com
Andrew Perez @AndrewPerezDC andrew.perez@ibtimes.com on May 26 2015 8:44 AM EDT
Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given millions to the Clinton Foundation. Scott Olson/Getty Images
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Repeat about 400 more times, wait for it to "go away".
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You have to be one of her biggest supporters. You are clever in how you are going about this but it is beginning to become transparent. Others are going to figure out you are in her corner.
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Lyric
(12,675 posts)The last thing any of them need to deal with is the raging right-wing insult and froth machine. Especially the kids...
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Joe's got more heartache to process than any person should.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)has a choice they love and most all have great respect for Sanders and Clinton. As they learn about O'Malley they all seem to respect him as well. That puts every word of your op into question. We have a great field building.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)but I'm very pessimistic and see the field as extraordinarily weak, with one severely flawed name candidate and several well-meaning, but weak challengers.
Feel free to talk me down.
On the upside, the GOP field is an absolute, not-ready-for-primetime freak show and gives Dems some hope.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The republicans are going to put up a fight. I just don't think that one candidate is severely flawed. If you listen to the Gowdy crew you would get that impression. Her numbers are nothing short of spectacular. Sanders is building up a strong base that will be working extremely hard for him. O'Malley has executive knowledge and I believe that will help him build a strong ground game. As far as Clinton goes, no talking you down from there. Every email story is straight from Gowdy. That isn't hyperbole. People are playing "six degrees from Kevin Bacon" with the Clinton Foundation and some are buying into it. Nothing anyone can do if people are willing to buy what Gowdy sells. Posters here have claimed everything from the Clintons laughed about Obama on Rush to she want to privatize social security. Every one false and every one increases her favorability.
On the more serious side, her IWR vote was a disastrous flaw. One that will have zero significance in the general. Since the election results are your concern, that should be of no worry.
Edit: I didn't mean I don't want to talk you down in a disrespectful manner. I meant it as in you have reasons for your concerns.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)You'd think they'd be more campaign-savvy and be rebutting this stuff with a rapid response team, instead of watching drive her negatives up and eat away at her lead.
At the least, the campaign needs some serious revamping.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think she is running a masterful campaign. Maybe you can show me where her favorability rating has sank over the last two months? Or where her negatives have been driven up? I haven't seen any change that I would call significant.
As SOS she was often behind the scenes. That lends itself toward lower negative numbers. It would make sense they would go down a little. I have seen nothing that would make me to say they are being driven up in any drastic or significant amount.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)She’s slipped underwater in personal favorability for the first time since her unsuccessful run for the presidency in 2008. She’s deeper in the hole for honesty and trustworthiness – down 5 points in just two months and 12 points in the last year. And Americans by 17- to 24-point margins disapprove of her handling of recent questions on her use of personal e-mail while secretary of state, her handling of the Benghazi attack in Libya and fundraising by her family’s foundation.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-hillary-clinton-weakens-trustworthiness-jeb-bush-slides/story?id=31454068
On the Democratic side, 45 percent of Americans see Clinton favorably overall, vs. 49 percent unfavorably. Her favorable rating has plummeted by 22 points from 67 percent during her popular tenure as secretary of state.
Perhaps most alarmingly for her campaign, the number who see Clinton as honest and trustworthy has dropped from 53 percent a year ago, then 46 percent two months ago, to 41 percent now. Fifty-two percent now don’t see her as honest and trustworthy, the most, again, since April 2008.
http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1169a12016Politics.pdf
Fifty percent of Americans say Clinton does not inspire confidence, up from 42% in March of 2014. Fewer think she cares about people like them. And a growing number of people, now up to 57%, do not consider her honest and trustworthy.
http://time.com/3904698/hillary-clinton-2016-presidential-race-poll/#3904698/hillary-clinton-2016-presidential-race-poll/
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)would get him elected. They don't even need to start till next year.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Then bring in Julian Castro for VP...even better.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I just want someone that will speak to issues that I find most important for a change.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)Now he may enter on his own without a draft. The worst has happened and possibly time to delve deeply into service again. We shall see. I adore him.
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)They are the only candidates who I feel fan possibly understand what life is like for those of us not born into wealth. However, I disagree with your assessment. I see Bernie as having a chance in the general, because he connects with people, and can build support in town halls and debates. Joe is the opposite. He doe not connect, and has a way of making a valid point in a way that comes off as callous or out of touch. That's why they always had him hidden somewhere during the campaigns. He is a liability.
That said, I salivate at the prospect of a president committed to fully funding Amtrak
Mr. Robot
(39 posts)And the largest voting bloc of Independents will go to him.
Therefore, yes, he can win the GE. The mainstream Republicans are waking up and realizing the extreme right is decapitating mainstream Republicanism.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)so kids with student loans that didn't pay off are fucked.
No. He's less of a war hawk, but he's in bed with wall street too.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Damaged goods? No more so than usual, and she doesn't poll that way.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)But if he were to announce his candidacy I would give him serious consideration.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)More bashing of Secretary Clinton. Fortunately, most Democrats who can think for themselves will see it as just another propoganized hit piece.
lame54
(35,294 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He is the Plan B in the highly, highly, highly...unlikely event Clinton implodes and she has more lives than Rasputin...
If HRC was to drop out of the race he would automatically receive her huge institutional support and fund raising apparatus. Also, President Obama would put his considerably heavy thumb on the scale for him..
But, again, HRC isn't going anywhere.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)He's got a funeral to deal with not expecting to bury another child before him especially the one that was suppose to carry on the Biden name in politics. I think we all expected Beau Biden to one day take over Dad's senate seat although Beau preferred earning his own way with running for Governor first.
