Caitlyn Jenner 24/7/365. Chelsea Manning? (crickets)

[KamaAina]

Why do you suppose that is?

[still_one]

1. well for one thing isn't Manning in prison?

[Warpy]

28. She is. That means no pictures.

No pictures, no coverage.

[cwydro]

30. And no coverage

Of cleavage.

[still_one]

45. They may not allow interviews since I think he was being charged with distributing

classified information, but regardless, lets face it Jenner is a celebrity, not only from his Olympic days, but due to his marriage in the Kardashian family. That is the way the media is, and pretty much has always been. Celebrities will always get more coverage

[Maedhros]

2. Jenner was plugged into the Kardashian attention-machine.

People seem to actually care about the Kardashians more than about what their government is doing to them.

[Ex Lurker]

15. This. And in my view, progressives will eventually regret

making a Kardashian associate the face of this issue. There's just not much that's likable or laudable about Jenner, who has not really accomplished much other than being a great athlete, does not seem to be a particularly good person, and who would have faded into obscurity long ago if not for marrying into a circus.

[still_one]

47. Why will "progressives" eventually regret "Kardashian" associate the face of the issue? As I

understand it during interviews Jenner said he is a long time republican

[pintobean]

3. Athletic icon vs traitor /nt

[KamaAina]

4. One man's (or woman's) traitor

is another man's (or woman's) heroic whistleblower.

[pintobean]

10. We're talking about America's opinions

not one man's. You asked and I gave you an obvious answer.

[Maedhros]

20. Traitor? Wow.

And you have the Constitution as your avatar. Very ironic.

/bye.

[truebrit71]

44. Right?

[Maedhros]

53. When did this become Authoritarian Underground? [n/t]

[pintobean]

54. What does it mean when

you put "/bye" in a post, like you did above? Usually, it means a member is putting another member on ignore, but you didn't do that, and you continue to talk about me.

[frylock]

57. 1/20/2008

[LanternWaste]

26. Many people confuse what is merely a response with an actual answer.

Many people confuse what is merely a response with an actual answer. Easy mistake to make...

[pintobean]

40. Ironic

X2

[cali]

11. she's detestable, icon or not.

Evidently, she completely cut her son's from her first marriage out of her life. Nothing but a revolting publicity hound interested in her new piece of shit reality show.

[pintobean]

14. I don't really care

about Jenner's personal life, but you obviously do.

[cali]

19. I care because I find all the gushing wildly overdone

[OKNancy]

69. kind of how I feel about Manning

When in the army, Manning slugged his female supervisor in the face.
Manning was out of control and mean. The young woman still has bad dreams about Manning.

( Edit to add that the woman thinks the transition is fake and a ploy for attention )

[Scootaloo]

62. You would be hailing that "traitor" as a hero if a republican were president

[pintobean]

64. What a strange attack.

[TBF]

5. She's a republican.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/27/bruce-jenner-is-a-republican-heres-the-reason-that-shouldnt-surprise-you/

ETA - although that may change if she reads online all the vile things that the religious right are saying about her ... I have had to defend her and I'm sure others have as well

[KamaAina]

6. I just learned that.

One wonders how her repuke buddies are dealing with this.

[TBF]

7. I just did an ETA to report

what I've seen on Facebook. They are saying truly vile things.

[Initech]

13. The comments sections regarding Caitlyn Jenner have been horrifying.

Really thank God for Firefox and the comment blocker add on.

[NCTraveler]

8. One is in a jail cell.

One is on the cover of a magazine.

[NobodyHere]

36. If Caitlyn wasn't rich

They'd both be in jail right now.

[NCTraveler]

38. I'm not familiar with what she did that would land her in jail.

I really don't keep up with them much.

[jberryhill]

52. Killing someone

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/18/bruce-jenner-crash-video_n_6708802.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Video shows Bruce Jenner started a chain-reaction crash that resulted in a woman's death on a Malibu highway, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Jenner was hauling an off-road vehicle on a trailer behind his Cadillac Escalade on Feb. 7 when he steered to avoid cars slowing for a traffic light in front of him on Pacific Coast Highway, the official said.

Jenner's SUV rear-ended two cars, pushing a Lexus into oncoming traffic, the official added.

The driver, Kim Howe, 69, was killed when it was struck head-on by a Hummer.

[NCTraveler]

68. I know we have a great love for jail sentences.

But I'm not sure how that article equals "should be in jail."

[malthaussen]

9. There was a little attention paid to Chelsea...

... mostly about whether or not the government should pay for her medical expenses. But certainly not as much as Caitlyn is garnering. But I'm sure a good part of the country would just as soon Chelsea stayed disappeared for the next generation.

-- Mal

[joeybee12]

12. Because the Khardashians are experts in media (over) exposure...

Caitlyn is getting as much mileage out of this as possible, and I really tend to doubt when all is said and done, her story will have advance sympathy for transgenders as a whole in any way measurable...it's about Caityln, not about transgenderism.

[msongs]

16. she works hard for the money. nt

[JI7]

17. because Bruce Jenner is famous and well known. same reason royal baby

Or some other celeb baby birth gets more attention.

[NuclearDem]

18. At least they've got one thing in common.

An escape hatch for the assholes.

"She's a traitor", "she's a Kardashian."

[KamaAina]

21. So help me, I can't decide which is worse!

[jberryhill]

25. Jenner is a vacuous media personality

So?

I'm supposed to think she's a wonderful awesome human being who didn't kill someone while unsafely towing a load with a Cadillac SUV?

People of all genders can be assholes. Jenner is one of them.

[NuclearDem]

34. Thanks for proving my point.

[jberryhill]

35. The point being what?

That anyone can be a jerk?

That I'm supposed to fall on my knees and worship a vacuous reality TV star 1%er because she did something that plenty of ordinary everyday people do all of the time and don't get a magazine cover for it?

[jberryhill]

41. Concern trolling?

WTF?

I'd love to know how stating that Jenner is a "reality" TV personality whom I don't care for fits any definition of "concern trolling", and you can "note" whatever you like.

Your facile characterization of someone expressing a genuinely held opinion is noted - in bold, in my large notebook of things noted.

[NuclearDem]

42. Show "concern" for the trans* community by shitting all over one of the world's most public trans* figures

Yeah, that's concern trolling. Spare me the edgy reality TV show hate. People can despise the Kardashians and not drag that shit into a discussion about Jenner's transition. Those that can't either have an agenda or need to grow the fuck up.

[Ex Lurker]

48. Jenner is part and parcel of the Kardashian clan

and is all about Jenner.

[jberryhill]

50. I did not express any "concern" for the trans community

I expressed my opinion of Jenner.

The OP is not about "Jenner's transition".

The OP poses the question of why Jenner has gotten so much publicity, whereas Manning has not.

The reason is that Jenner is a media personality, and has been one for a while. That observation is directly relevant to the question posed in the OP. The OP is about "Jenner's fame" and its origins, and is not a discussion of trans people in any larger, more general sense whatsoever.

As I had posted elsewhere, "A vacuous media personality has made an important development in her life."

I said nothing about any community whatsoever. My own son, formerly my daughter, had transitioned to be who he is today, and is a wonderful person. Jenner is not. So, do tell me about my "agenda".

I'm sorry that you believe my opinion about any individual needs to be informed by with what classification of persons they may be grouped.

Ben Carson is an African-American political candidate. He is also one of the leading morons of our time. That he is African American has nothing to do with him being a moron, and it is not "concern trolling" to express my opinion on his aptitude for the office of president either.

And, as you seem to be interested in me and my motivations, I sent the alert on the one-post troll who joined the thread below.

[truebrit71]

43. "Traitorous piece of filth?

Wow...I think you're on the wrong website pal...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. From day 1.

[truebrit71]

61. "piece of filth"?

Wow.

Amazing what you see on DU nowadays....

[jberryhill]

23. Manning was a national celebrity?

For what?



How many episodes of an E! Network reality program did Manning log?

[KamaAina]

24. I remember that box! I was twelve.

I am now 50.

[jberryhill]

27. Zzzzz all you want

Jenner has been part and parcel of the "celebrity for celebrity's sake" reality TV program culture for quite a while before now.

[REP]

65. Long before anyone knew what a Kardashian was, there was Jenner

Jenner's been thirsty for fame and attention forever.

[jberryhill]

31. In before MIRT!

I always miss these. Now I finally know.

[lonestarnot]

39. On to the next one.

[sharp_stick]

32. Oh please fuck off douchebag n/t

[hrmjustin]

46. Chelsea is in prison so no pictures.

[struggle4progress]

49. Jenner: Olympic gold medalist 1976, numerous TV appearances from 1980,

brief auto-racing career, business success. Married for decades with three children. Divorced this year and almost immediately declared self trans in TV interview. So there's a high-profile person, known to and admired by many Americans. I had no idea who Jenner was, cuz I don't follow sports, don't watch TV, don't pay attention to cars, and haven't been interested in aircraft supply: that probably puts me on the fringes of mainstream America

Manning: Joined the army in 2007 at age 19. Was unhappy there and within a few years was awaiting separation. Meanwhile released a large number of documents. Exposed and arrested in 2010. Convicted in 2013 at age 25 and sentenced to 35 years, with first possibility of parole in 2021. This history doesn't produce the level of name-recognition Jenner had. People who followed the Manning story in any detail probably associate Manning with some Australian guy who's hiding in an embassy to avoid being charged with sexual assault in Sweden, so Manning's story doesn't produce the same fanbase Jenner had

[aikoaiko]

51. Most people never heard of Bradley Manning so emerging as Chelsea was uninteresting

Between Bruce's history of athletic excellence and more recent fame connected to his step and bio daughters makes him famous enough that emerging as Caitlyn was fascinating to many.

I don't think it's surprising

[lamp_shade]

56. Lack of interest perhaps?

[Chisox08]

58. Because she is one of the Jennerdashians

[Lady Freedom Returns]

59. All I know is that Caitlyn Jenner is HOT!

Bruce Jenner, Ok.. But Caitlyn! WOW!!!!

[Renew Deal]

60. Famous vs infamous

Jenner is a celebrity

[PowerToThePeople]

63. Because one is a traitor in the eyes of the fascist state. n/t

[KamaAina]

66. Roger that.

[Lil Missy]

67. One is known for coming out and the other became known as a criminal. n/t

[WillowTree]

70. How many people would have even known who Manning is?

Bradley WHO??? Chelsea WHO???

On the other hand, most people would have known who Bruce Jenner was, even before he became associated with the vacuous Kardashians.