Puppy Mills are kept alive with help of the AKC. (fb page with petition.)

[karmaqueen]

There was a terrible AG GAG bill passed in NC.. It allows abuse and protects the abuser. The Governor Vetoed the bill but there are groups trying to override the Veto.. I am so sick of groups like the AKC and The NRA having the respect of the Country when all they are doing is hurting everyone and everything. Here is a page petitioning the AKC to stop promoting puppy Mills. Thanks..

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Petitioning-American-Kennel-Club/1513807332239385

[pnwmom]

3. The pets in the shelters are only a fraction of the pets that people breed

and purchase every year. There would never be enough dogs for all the people who want them if there weren't some breeders.

In my large city, there are so few dogs coming into the local humane societies (because of our extremely successful spay-neuter campaign) that we import them from California -- which imports others from Mexico. So we end up with mostly Chihuahuas and pit bulls, and very few puppies of any breed or mix. And even if people were happy with the limited choices, there aren't enough to go around.

The aim shouldn't be to ban breeding but to regulate it more strictly and consistently.

[pnwmom]

6. Yes, I am. And the last time someone tried proving me wrong

by sending me to Petfinder, they made the mistake of thinking that the number of dogs available nationally in the breed I was interested in (poodle mix) was the number available locally.

Sorry, but I'm not ordering a dog through Petfinder, sight unseen, from Texas or Ohio.

We got a puppy from a breeder whose home we visited, where we could meet both parents and see exactly how the puppies were being raised. When you get a dog from the Humane Society or Petfinder, chances are you're getting a puppy mill dog, since that's where most dogs originate.

If you check the Seattle/King County Humane Society right now you will see that there are only 30 available dogs, no poodle mixes, and no dogs below the age of 9 months. And a few months ago, when I last checked, there were only about 20 total. And this is a metro area of more than 2 million people.

[pnwmom]

11. And if we stopped breeding all dogs, then the supply would dry up at the shelters

and everywhere else, too.

You just aren't thinking this through clearly.

[magical thyme]

9. no I did not

the petfinder list wasn't good enough for you because you had to have a puppy, it had to be practically in your neighborhood because driving a couple hours to check out available poodles was too far, and your ever-growing list of "has to be" went on endlessly. It became pretty clear, pretty fast, that what you really "had to have" was a purebred, pedigreed, papered, "perfect" puppy chosen from a litter in your neighborhood and available at the perfect time for you.

It was never about loving dogs and you meeting a dog's needs. It was about purchasing a thing to meet your needs.

There's a half dozen poodles and poodle mixes in a Seattle shelter right now on petfinder. But if you were looking right now, you would have an excuse to reject every one of them without even meeting them.

https://www.petfinder.com/pet-search?location=seattle%2C+wa&animal=dog&breed=Poodle&filtersUpdated=false&distance=&name=

[pnwmom]

12. Wrong. I wanted a poodle-mix puppy and i didn't want a tiny dog. There was nothing medium size

or larger that was in the state of Washington.

Right now there are 2 that meet that description that are in the category called "young." Meaning under 2 years old. There are no "babies" -- meaning under 6 months.

But when I was looking there were no young medium or larger poodle mixes at all.

And where do you think most dogs in Petfinder or rescues originally came from? From the same puppy mills that you despise. So if you don't want a puppy mill dog, if you want one whose breeder has done health testing on the parents, then the best thing to do is buy one from a responsible breeder.

[magical thyme]

16. a puppy. within 100miles. at that time.

and the one-year old jack russell mix in Washington was "too old."

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5408228

If you go to Pet Finder, you will see that there is only one medium size poodle mix available in all of Washington State -- a Jack Russell terrier mix that's a year old. Someone who wants a young poodle mix won't find one now in Washington

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6164676
I just did a petfinder search for poodles in/near seattle. there are 106 available. Most of the first 30 are small, but there were also a few mediums mixed in. I *wish* we had that selection here...they are adorable.

pnwmom (60,592 posts)

121. You didn't search for young poodles within 100 miles. We want a puppy we can train. But even expanding the search from "puppy" to "young," and allowing for either gender, this is what's available within 100 miles:
"10 POODLE DOGS WITHIN 100 MILES"
And they're all small. The bottom line is that there are very few young poodles within a reasonable viewing distance, and they are usually small -- not the size we want.


"And where do you think most dogs in Petfinder or rescues originally came from? From the same puppy mills"
Maybe at the breed-specific rescues. Certainly not the strays or, in my area, when they shut down a puppy mill. Mostly people who let their unspayed or unneutered dogs loose and strays. Neither of my dogs is the result of a puppy mill -- not the lab/chow/whatever and not the rhodesian ridgeback/whatever cross. Both unwanted puppies of un-fixed dogs allowed to roam; both pulled from death row. One was a pup -- I wanted to get his mom, but she was already spoken for. The other young, about 7 months.

[pnwmom]

20. The Seattle area has had an extremely successful spay-neuter campaign,

so there are very few unwanted pups born to unfixed dogs here.

"'And where do you think most dogs in Petfinder or rescues originally came from? From the same puppy mills'
Maybe at the breed-specific rescues. Certainly not the strays or, in my area, when they shut down a puppy mill. "


You are inadvertently confirming what I said. Yes, when they shut down a puppy mill the puppies end up in rescues or at the Humane societies. So people adopting them are getting a puppy-mill puppy via the rescue or Humane society. I'm NOT saying kind, caring people shouldn't do that. But not everyone is prepared to take in a puppy mill dog.

[XemaSab]

18. My dog Pippi was about to be taken from Red Bluff, CA, to Oregon when we rescued her

so they brought another dog up north in her place.

I wouldn't have believed it either.

[karmaqueen]

2. I agree..

I try to do something every day to help put an end to them...

[Recursion]

4. You know what else keeps them alive? Shelters that refuse to adopt dogs out

without a house visit by a social worker, a priest, a veterinarian, a landscaper to check the three-acre yard you must have, a second social worker in case the first one had a conflict of interest, and interviews with the stay-at-home "parent" (don't even bother trying to adopt if the dog is expected to be on his own during the day), the dog-walking service you will employ, and the canine psychiatrist you have retained to help the dog overcome his adjustment issues.

[karmaqueen]

7. We have great adoption policy in our Area.

The organizations just make sure you will return the animal if something comes up.. There are an over abundance of animals here and a lot of rescue organizations that pull as many as they can before they are put down .I never had an animal that was not a rescue. We also work with feral cats and I have had 40 cats fixed and homed myself, many at our home over the years...We are having a problem with the HORRIBLE group that got elected in NC last time. They do not care about anything but money and all the work to stop the puppy mills is being abandon.I am so surprised how the American Kennel Club has people fooled into think they are for all animals.. They only want the pure breeds and puppy mills do that the cheapest way..Not one bit of care for the poor animals forced to live in horrible conditions with jut enough to survive..No comfort at all

https://www.facebook.com/NCVAW/photos/a.399821470980.191482.134857435980/10152796373285981/?type=1&theater

[magical thyme]

10. that's mainly with the breed-specific, private rescues

most shelters are even close to that rigid.

[Recursion]

14. I was denied a mutt from a kill shelter because I worked days

and lived alone. There really is a nihilistic streak in some parts of the no-cruelty movement that would rather kill a dog than let it have a slightly less than ideal life.

[magical thyme]

15. that's crazy. I've never heard of a regular shelter denying an adoption

for such a flimsy excuse. And that is an excuse, not a valid reason. What crappy "shelter" was it?

I live alone and work days. I have 2 dogs I adopted (at 2 different times) from different shelters; one local and one I had pulled from a high-kill in Georgia.

[Marrah_G]

19. They are pretty strict up here in Southern New England

Even the ASPCA. I think they just want to try and have the best chance at the dog not being returned, but I can see where it limits the amount of dogs that are able to find homes.

Tough balancing act in less then ideal conditions.

[mopinko]

17. yup. i tried to adopt a terrier

i flunked the social workers visit because, i assume, i didnt have a "terrier proof fence". in spite of the fact that i had a terrier at the time, and she never left the yard, even if i left the gate open.
i ended up buying 2 sisters from a backyard breeder.
same fence, and these dogs never leave the yard, either.

they broke their own rules by not even formally turning me down. they just stopped answering my emails and calls.
i actually have to assume, but since she stopped taking notes after examining the yard....

it was the craziest thing ever. oh, and i expected the rat terrier to chase rodents. what cruelty.

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. AKC is in deep financial trouble

Puppy mill registrations are a major source of income.

Probably 60% of shelter dogs here in KC are pitbulls. Way too many being bred.

Lot's of puppymill dogs end up clogging up the breed rescues. But people buy petstore dogs because they don't want to wait and the can use credit. We tried to get stronger regulation on breeders here and the population all voted for it but then the State govt. Overroad the vote. There was too much money at stake.