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Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:39 PM Jun 2015

What do you think of a Bernie Sanders/Alan Grayson ticket for 2016?

I usually stay out of the candidate fray, but found myself rooting for Dennis Kucinich before and during the '08 Primaries, even though he was anti-handgun and I'm a gun owner. I'm NOT just a "one issue voter", I look at ALL of the qualities. I was also a John Edwards supporter until he shot himself in the dick... so to speak. Neither Clinton nor Obama were my first choice, but I voted for Obama in the General Election because he was the Democratic Nominee.

I'm finding myself *really* fired up over Bernie Sanders! I love his message and like the way he comes across... you can tell he is genuine, aka "The Real Deal" or "WYSIWYG". As for Alan Grayson, I just like his swagger and attitude. He's another "WYSIWYG" type and won't take shit from anyone. **ETA** I have been saying that the Dems need to engage in some "smash-mouth politics" ever since the swiftboating of John Kerry, and I think Grayson is the man for that job.

That being said, I won't be responding to many, if any, replies to this poll as I don't feel a need to do so just to build up my post count. If someone directs a personal response to me, then yeah, I'll answer out of courtesy but my goal is just to see how people feel about this ticket.

Peace,

Ghost


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Yes, I would vote for them in a heartbeat and think they could win
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What do you think of a Bernie Sanders/Alan Grayson ticket for 2016? (Original Post) Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 OP
I am not sure Grayson is the right VP yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2015 #2
My sentiment exactly Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #23
Alan Grayson thinks he is Bernie Sanders Renew Deal Jun 2015 #3
I like Grayson. A straight talker. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #4
How about Marcia Fudge? nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #5
I had never heard of her before & had to look her up. I think she would be a viable candidate. Link: Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #11
I'd like to see Sanders/DiBlasio PADemD Jun 2015 #6
how about trees that grow candy and ponies for everyone? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2015 #7
Not Grayson! I agree with most of what he says, but The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #8
+1 darkangel218 Jun 2015 #10
" His divorce has been as ugly as anything from the Jerry Springer show..." His personal life should Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #17
Generally speaking, I agree that one's personal difficulties The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #18
I like Grayson but I don't think he is VP TM99 Jun 2015 #9
Nydia is wonderful! I'd vote for Sanders/Velazquez closeupready Jun 2015 #14
Not Grayson Kalidurga Jun 2015 #12
I think Grayson is terrific, but his lack of self-censorship closeupready Jun 2015 #13
Here is what I think Hobo Jun 2015 #15
Mr Imma-Hide-my-money-offshore NightWatcher Jun 2015 #16
I like Grayson, but not for this. immoderate Jun 2015 #19
Or Julian Castro? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #21
I love Barbara Lee! lonestarnot Jun 2015 #43
Grayson could lose his own seat to the right challenger. MADem Jun 2015 #20
Why can't the VP be a woman ???????????????????? trueblue2007 Jun 2015 #22
Who says one *can't* be?? Or even President?? See my post #11 in reply about OH Rep Marcia Fudge... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #24
Don't burden Bernie with Grayson Tom Rinaldo Jun 2015 #25
Too early to talk about VP kenfrequed Jun 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2015 #27
Bernie would need someone a little more main streamy to win the general election. Vinca Jun 2015 #28
Grayson isn't ready for the big time Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #29
I like Bernie, but at this time I'm not too sure of a VP pick. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #30
Grayson seems to be a bit of a loose cannon Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #31
I don't like Grayson. bigwillq Jun 2015 #32
Bill de Blasio krawhitham Jun 2015 #33
Sanders has good character and........ NCTraveler Jun 2015 #34
Right. Because what Sanders needs to do is further limit his support base Recursion Jun 2015 #35
That's what differences of opinions, and being able to discuss them civilly, is all about... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #38
Might be the first ticket to lose 50 States + DC... brooklynite Jun 2015 #36
Disagree. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #37
Grayson has been melting down lately. I think he would be an embarrassment. nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #39
I think the premise could be the subject of a creative writing paper. tritsofme Jun 2015 #40
I like Bernie. I like Alan. MurrayDelph Jun 2015 #41
BrotherIvan recommended Barbara Lee and I fully and enthusiastically concur! Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #42
That's a conspiracy waiting to happen! Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #44

Response to Ghost in the Machine (Original post)

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
11. I had never heard of her before & had to look her up. I think she would be a viable candidate. Link:
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jun 2015

Thanks for pointing her out!

http://fudge.house.gov/biography1/

Peace,

Ghost

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
7. how about trees that grow candy and ponies for everyone?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jun 2015

l am all for Bernie. But let's try to stay within the world of reality.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
8. Not Grayson! I agree with most of what he says, but
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

he's a loose cannon who seems to be kind of a bully. I like my politicians to have spines, but his spine seems to be connected to a huge asshole. His divorce has been as ugly as anything from the Jerry Springer show, and sure didn't cast him in a very good light. Like his politics, don't like him.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
17. " His divorce has been as ugly as anything from the Jerry Springer show..." His personal life should
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jun 2015

not affect his political actions. Look at Bill Clinton! Not a slam against him though, he was a bad husband, but a great POTUS.

It's like I told someone else the other night. I know quite a few people from NY & NJ and they have a "fuck you, and if you don't like it, fuck you even harder" attitude. As a Native Floridian, I also see that quality in him from there, too, and I like it.

To each his own, though. I like to see the different opinions and just had my eyes opened upthread about someone I had never heard of. Thanks for your input.

Peace,

Ghost

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
18. Generally speaking, I agree that one's personal difficulties
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jun 2015

should not be a factor in their political life. However, Grayson's divorce has been so nasty and so public that it would be a real liability in an election. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/alan-grayson-divorce_n_5999804.html

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
9. I like Grayson but I don't think he is VP
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jun 2015

material. He is too outspoken and likes the limelight too much.

I would be more interested in Barbara Lee, Nydia Velázquez, or Raúl Grijalva.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
12. Not Grayson
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:07 AM
Jun 2015

I would love to vote for Bernie. But, I won't love voting for Bernie/Grayson. I would be okay with O'Malley. But, I think Bernie has someone else in mind and no I don't know who.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
13. I think Grayson is terrific, but his lack of self-censorship
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jun 2015

would make him weaken the ticket, not strengthen it. The baggage he'd bring would be a distraction, sadly.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Grayson could lose his own seat to the right challenger.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:45 AM
Jun 2015

His life is a mess; he's dating a lobbyist...not a good look.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
24. Who says one *can't* be?? Or even President?? See my post #11 in reply about OH Rep Marcia Fudge...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:37 AM
Jun 2015

I have no problem with a woman being President, or VP, and think it's past time for it to happen. I never thought I'd live to see the day when we elected an African American as President, but I did.

**THIS** is just about a ticket that I thought of and, as stated in the OP, wanted to get the opinion/feelings of others about this particular ticket. The general consensus seems to be that I am nuts, and if liking a certain politician because of his being brash/blunt with the opposing party makes me nuts then so be it. I'd rather hear short, brash and blunt than some windbag to take 20 minutes to go to hell, and I'm still lost and not clear on the directions when they are done.

Who would you suggest as woman President *AND* Vice President??

Peace,

Ghost

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
25. Don't burden Bernie with Grayson
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 07:33 AM
Jun 2015

There are other leftist congressional Democrats with the temperament to be in line for the Presidency.

Response to Ghost in the Machine (Original post)

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
28. Bernie would need someone a little more main streamy to win the general election.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jun 2015

I like Grayson, but he'd make Bernie look like the noncontroversial one on the ticket.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
29. Grayson isn't ready for the big time
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 07:43 AM
Jun 2015

While I like Grayson a lot, let's face it - he tends to "go off" undiplomatically, and that's not a great trait to have in a national campaign.

He's an awesome back-bench bomb-thrower, but past that I am hesitant to commit.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
34. Sanders has good character and........
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jun 2015

is more than smart enough to keep Grayson way the hell away from his campaign.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
35. Right. Because what Sanders needs to do is further limit his support base
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jun 2015

Congratulations. You found the one VP pick that alienates more voters than having Sanders at the top of the ticket would in the first place. (Remember, among national Democrats, Sanders has the highest rate of "would never support" responses, at 18%.)

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
38. That's what differences of opinions, and being able to discuss them civilly, is all about...
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jun 2015

You think Grayson would alienate more people, as do others who have replied, but there are many who think like me and would be fired up about it. I like his brashness and "tell it like it is" demeanor.

Remember all the big talk by Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers before the 2006 elections?? If they won the House, they were going to investigate The Chimp for war crimes and for domestic spying and impeach him. Lo and behold, the Dems took the House and the next thing you know we have Pelosi stating "impeachment is off the table". John Conyers changed his tune also, even after having to hold meetings in the basement of the Capitol building because that's the only place the repugs would allow him to do so when they were in power.

I was saying back then that the Dems needed to start playing "smash-mouth politics" after the way the repugs swiftboated Kerry. I want SOMEONE in there who isn't afraid to stand up against the status quo and not only rock the boat of the "Establishment", but to capsize the damned boat! I'm tired of hearing about "wimpy Liberals" who don't get anything done. I, personally, think Grayson is just the man to do it. YMMV...

Peace,

Ghost

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
41. I like Bernie. I like Alan.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:20 AM
Jun 2015

but it would be hard-enough to get the racist "Christians" to accept one Jew in the White House.

Two would be impossible in the current climate.

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