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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:45 PM Jun 2015

Where Does America Fit In The World?

Choices to be made about America’s future place in the world, from large and in charge to walking softly and fixing our own problems first. Global strategist Ian Bremmer joins us.


President Barack Obama sits with Kuwaiti Emir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah, Secretary of State John Kerry, center right, and Gulf Cooperation Council leaders and delegations at Camp David, Md., Thursday, May 14, 2015. (AP)


Iraqi forces, run out of Ramadi this weekend. By ISIS. Now just 75 miles from Baghdad. Even as US warplanes pummeled ISIS from the sky. It’s a big deal. And it raises the question again of just how deeply the US should be involved. Not just in Ramadi and Iraq, but all over the world. Should we send in troops and fix things? Should we turn our attention homeward, and fix the United States? Global strategist Ian Bremmer says we have to decide. We can’t go on jerking from crisis to crisis. And now is the time to choose. This Hour, On Point: choosing a solid, clear global course for the USA.


Hear this on On Point w/ Tom Ashbrook.

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OP inspired by a conversation I was having in another thread about American isolation. Ian Bremmer the author of the new book, “Superpower: Three Choices For America’s Role in the World.” (@ianbremmer) thinks we have three choices going forward as a country.

Here are the three options as outlined in the book:

Independent America asserts that it’s time for America to declare independence from the responsibility to solve other people’s problems. Instead, Americans should lead by example—in part, by investing in the country’s vast untapped potential.

Moneyball America acknowledges that Washington can’t meet every international challenge. With a clear-eyed assessment of U.S. strengths and limitations, we must look beyond empty arguments over exceptionalism and American values. The priorities must be to focus on opportunities and to defend U.S. interests where they’re threatened.

Indispensable America argues that only America can defend the values on which global stability increasingly depends. In today’s interdependent, hyperconnected world, a turn inward would undermine America’s own security and prosperity. We will never live in a stable world while others are denied their most basic freedoms—from China to Russia to the Middle East and beyond.


Which one do you support? Why?

Bremer asks...

“When I began writing this book, I didn’t know which of these three choices I would favor. It’s easy to be swayed by pundits and politicians with a story to sell or an ax to grind. My attempt to make the most honest and forceful case I could make for each of these three arguments helped me understand what I believe and why I believe it. I hope it will do the same for you. I don’t ask you to agree with me. I ask only that you choose.”

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hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Of the three choices given,
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

I will go with Independent America. Being the world's cop enriches only the MIC, and the world bumbled along for many centuries without us playing Imperialist Overlord. Spend some of that money getting us off the goddam fossil fuel teat and addressing climate change, which could kill billions and make much of the world uninhabitable. A far better investment than bigger toys for the military to use against brown people the world over.

Security interests are one thing. The financial interests of the tenth-percenters are quite another. The first should be defended. Let the rich pigs pay for defending their own swinishness should they desire to do so.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
2. I agree that we can't do everything, but I think there are some things we can help with.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jun 2015

We can't do this only or primarily through the military though, there are so many other things we can do and ways we can do it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
3. Agreed
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

A few paltry percent of the bloated military budget could work miracles in winning hearts and minds all over the world by helping to aid real development. But TPTB always look to the military first, last, and always.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
4. If that military budget was reduced and that money was used differently...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jun 2015
AMAZING things could happen, yes there would be fewer jobs in that sector but I'm sure the other investments would make up for it.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
6. The world may have bumbled along, but it wasn't without one or another Imperialist Overlord.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jun 2015

Remember that the Dutch, the Spaniards, the Portugese, the Norwegians, the French, the Greeks (to a certain extent) the Romans and many others played the part we are currently playing.

And who can possibly forget the British?

"Britannia Rules the Waves" wasn't just a song lyric and the expression "The sun never sets on the British Empire" was most certainly true for a very long time.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. And the one lesson we never learn is that lesson of ihistory.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

Empires always fall. Give people a hand up, not a handout, and for Celestia's sake not the freaking Marines as a first resort. Time to save the military for actual threats to the territory of the country or dealing with another Hitler should one arise.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. We learned the lesson a long time ago, we just don't ever apply what we learn.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

Just like all the other countries that thought hubris would save them.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. This...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015
Time to save the military for actual threats to the territory of the country or dealing with another Hitler should one arise.


+1

We could do things that would inspire people, rather than destroy them.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. Ian's Book sounds interesting....
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

I've seen snips of his appearances on Bloomberg Finance Media.

He has a tendency to be a bit "Double Speak" ....and since he founded the "Euarasia Group"....I know he has to deal with the spew from the other Think Tanks who are much more powerful.

He's usually an interesting watch even though he walks the fence so carefully one wonders what he REALLY MEANS.

His new book is probably an interesting read. Maybe he comes clearer in his position in the book.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
7. It's interesting I don't know a lot about him but I heard this live the other day...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jun 2015

and it's stuck with me. Interested to see what DU thinks, but I'd love to know more about Bremmer as well.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. Here: and if you Search Engine "Ian Bremmer, Eurasia Group" there are many You Tubes of his Talks
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

Ian Bremmer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ian Bremmer

Ian Bremmer
Born November 12, 1969 (age 45)
United States
Occupation Political scientist, author, entrepreneur
Education BA, Tulane University
MA, PhD, Stanford University
Website
ianbremmer.com

Ian Bremmer (born November 12, 1969) is an American political scientist specializing in U.S. foreign policy, states in transition, and global political risk. He is the president and founder of Eurasia Group, a political risk research and consulting firm. As of December 2014, he is foreign affairs columnist and editor-at-large at TIME.[1] In 2013, he was named Global Research Professor at New York University.[2] Eurasia Group provides analysis and expertise about how political developments and national security dynamics move markets and shape investment environments across the globe.
Contents
Life and career

Bremmer is most widely known for advances in political risk; referred to as the "guru" in the field by the Economist[3] and The Wall Street Journal[4] and, more directly, bringing political science as a discipline to the financial markets.[5] In 2001, Bremmer created Wall Street's first global political risk index, now the GPRI (Global Political Risk Index). Bremmer's definition of an emerging market as "a country where politics matters at least as much as economics to the market"[6] is a standard reference in the political risk field.

Bremmer has published nine books, including the national bestsellers Every Nation for Itself: Winners and Losers in a G-Zero World (Portfolio, May 2012), which details risks and opportunities in a world without global leadership, and The End of the Free Market: Who Wins the War Between States and Corporations (Portfolio, May 2010), which describes the global phenomenon of state capitalism and its implications for economics and politics. He also wrote The J Curve: A New Way to Understand Why Nations Rise and Fall (Simon & Schuster, 2006), selected by The Economist as one of the best books of 2006.[7] He recently came out with Superpower: Three Choices for America's Role in the World (Portfolio, May 2015), which calls for a complete rethink of America’s role in the world, following on its incoherent and prohibitively expensive foreign policy strategy since the end of the Cold War.

Bremmer is a frequent writer and commentator in the media. He is the foreign affairs columnist and editor-at-large for TIME Magazine, a contributor for the Financial Times A-List,[8] and has also published articles in the Washington Post, the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Harvard Business Review, Foreign Affairs and many other publications. He appears regularly on CNBC, CNN, Fox News Channel, Bloomberg Television, National Public Radio, the BBC, and other networks.

Among his professional appointments, Bremmer serves on the Presidents Council of the Near East Foundation, the Leadership Council for the Concordia Summit, and the Board of Trustees of Intelligence Squared. In 2007, he was named as a 'Young Global Leader' of the World Economic Forum, and in 2010 founded and was appointed Chair of the Forum's Global Agenda Council for Geopolitical Risk.

Bremmer received his B.A. at Tulane University, and his M.A. and Ph.D. in political science from Stanford University in 1994. He then served on the faculty of the Hoover Institution where, at 25, he became the Institution's youngest ever National Fellow. He has held research and faculty positions at New York University (where he presently teaches), Columbia University, the EastWest Institute, the World Policy Institute, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and the Asia Society Policy Institute, where he has served as First Harold J. Newman Distinguished Fellow in Geopolitics since 2015.

Bremmer is of Armenian and German descent.[9]
Key concepts
The J-Curve
Main article: The J Curve: A New Way to Understand Why Nations Rise and Fall


Bremmer's J curve[10] outlines the link between a country's openness and its stability. While many countries are stable because they are open (the United States, France, Japan), others are stable because they are closed (North Korea, Cuba, Iraq under Saddam Hussein). States can travel both forward (right) and backwards (left) along this J curve, so stability and openness are never secure. The J is steeper on the left hand side, as it is easier for a leader in a failed state to create stability by closing the country than to build a civil society and establish accountable institutions; the curve is higher on the far right than left because states that prevail in opening their societies (Eastern Europe, for example) ultimately become more stable than authoritarian regimes.
State capitalism

Ian Bremmer describes state capitalism as a system in which the state dominates markets primarily for political gain. In his book, The End of the Free Market: Who Wins the War Between States and Corporations (New York: Portfolio, 2010), Bremmer describes China as the primary driver for the rise of state capitalism as a challenge to the free market economies of the developed world, particularly in the aftermath of the financial crisis.[11]

More at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Bremmer



 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
17. Independent. Our record of "help" is self-serving, greedy, and ultimately self-defeating.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jun 2015

I would love to our country become just another nation among nations. No longer a "super-power" dependent on brute force or a hegemonic nation dependent on colonies (aka "allies&quot .

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

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