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Breaking: USA Freedom Act Passes Senate. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2015 OP
Gotta love those Orwellian titles. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #1
I'm just reporting the vote. MineralMan Jun 2015 #8
Oh, I know. Just chuckling (darkly) at the title of the thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #9
Bill titles are always interesting, aren't they. MineralMan Jun 2015 #10
Congress seems to lack a sense of irony. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #11
Everything that is not mandatory is forbidden. hifiguy Jun 2015 #24
Have to see details. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #2
I have no details. MineralMan Jun 2015 #5
Some of the proposed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #12
I wonder how many YES votes were because they were afraid of getting the Hastert treatment? nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #3
Yay! The NSA, CIA, FBI, and MIC will enjoy their Freedom!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #4
I didn't comment on the content of it. MineralMan Jun 2015 #6
I know you didn't. I was commenting on the vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #14
Here's a link: MineralMan Jun 2015 #7
Apparently, the Senate passed the House version MineralMan Jun 2015 #13
What's the difference in "it" and the Patriot Act?? kentuck Jun 2015 #15
I don't know, actually, MineralMan Jun 2015 #16
Roll Call PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #17
I see only one Democrat voting against it. MineralMan Jun 2015 #18
and an Independent Senator running for POTUS in the Democratic primaries. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #20
Yes. I looked at the votes by party, and missed Sanders. MineralMan Jun 2015 #21
I heard a bit of the debate... kentuck Jun 2015 #19
From BBC News: lovemydog Jun 2015 #22
Sounds like a good change. MineralMan Jun 2015 #23
I think it's better than what came before it. lovemydog Jun 2015 #25
so none of Wyden's amendments passed? grasswire Jun 2015 #26

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
10. Bill titles are always interesting, aren't they.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jun 2015

I still remember the Peacekeeper Missile.

Arbeit macht Frei!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. Have to see details.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

There was talk of amendments, or promises of amending it in future, for it to pass. We shall see.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
5. I have no details.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

It is a major modification of the Patriot Act, as I understand, and seriously restricts things like the NSA collecting of information on people who are not under suspicion. If that's the case, then I don't have a lot of problems with it. We still have some security problems outstanding.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
13. Apparently, the Senate passed the House version
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

without amendments. It goes to President Obama for his signature. Apparently he will sign it.

If I understand this correctly, it limits the NSA's ability to monitor communications and requires specific court orders. I have not read the bill, though, so I'm not sure how strong these limits are.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
15. What's the difference in "it" and the Patriot Act??
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jun 2015

I haven't heard much of this debate. But when they give it a name like "Freedom", we should be very wary.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
18. I see only one Democrat voting against it.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

Interesting. Sanders, too, by he's an Independent as a Senator.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
19. I heard a bit of the debate...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jun 2015

A Senator was saying something to the effect that we had to be able to keep secrets and he was critical of Edward Snowden.. I didn't catch his name..

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
22. From BBC News:
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jun 2015

US Senate votes to curtail bulk data collection

The US Senate has voted to limit the government's ability to collect phone data, a policy that had been in place since the attacks of 11 September 2001. The USA Freedom Act extends the government's ability to collect large amounts of data, but with restrictions. The bill, which replaces the Patriot Act, had been backed by President Barack Obama as a necessary tool to fight terrorism. Mr Obama said on Tuesday that he will sign the bill into law.

The bill undoes a national security policy that had been in place since shortly after the attacks on 11 September 2001. The new law replaces a National Security Agency (NSA) program in which the spy agency collected personal data en masse. The revelation of this program by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden triggered a global public backlash.

Instead of receiving bulk quantities of data from telephone and internet companies the NSA will now be forced to request the information through a court order. The data will also be stored on telephone and internet company servers rather than government servers. The request must be specific to an individual entity such as a person, account, or electronic device. A six-month transition will be in place as the policy shifts so that data storage remains with private companies, rather than on government servers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32982140

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
23. Sounds like a good change.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jun 2015

No wonder all but one Senate democrat voted for it. Senator Sanders voted no. Obama will sign it. There it is.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
25. I think it's better than what came before it.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jun 2015

I can understand why President Obama will sign it, because it could have been worse, we still need counterterrorism efforts in place, and this will replace the most intrusive aspects of the Patriot Act. I can also understand why Senator Sanders voted no, as he feels it doesn't protect individual privacy enough. I respect them both.

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