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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust returned from a Sanders event
Muscatine, Iowa.
Sanders very straight forward , covered many of the usual issues like jobs, wages, TPP, etc.. Got questions on SS, "death" taxes, Pentagon spending. I asked about media and consolidation. Got a real long answer.
had about 100. very intimate. Felt like we were talking adult to adult in a conversation.
Bernie does have quite a quick wit also. Funny guy.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sounds like it was a great time!
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)caucus. Glad you could make it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)What? He talked issues?
Sheesh...doesn't he know he is just supposed to attack other candidates?
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)busting up every bit as much as the big banks! The regulatory agencies need the former private sector heads replaced with career regulatory personnel. They allowed these mergers and acquisitions to eliminate competition and screw us badly! Look no further than what we pay for Internet and how slow it is compared to the rest of the developed world. Same for drugs, healthcare, phone... you get the picture!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)And I don't think that was a coincidence
Of course, it could've been worse
karynnj
(59,504 posts)He and Gephardt were supposed to be numbers one and two - per expectations. In fact neither got even half the people Kerry got. Not to mention, within the Senate - even on the communications subcommittee of the Commerce committee, Kerry had a long record calling for more diversity in the media and against the trend to media consolidation.
I know many here wanted Dean to win, were thrilled when he raised a huge amount of money from small donors on the internet, when he appeared in August 2003 simultaneously on three major news magazines with mostly positive press, and when he topped nation wide polls in Fall 2003. In fact, he had more superdelegates, more money and more media support than anyone going into Iowa.
However, he was already on somewhat of a downswing in early 2004. In NH, where he had a big lead - Clark moved in on him taking some of his support and when Clark started to implode most of his support went to undecided. (setting the stage for Kerry to gain a lead after winning Iowa as he was well liked, but he was not seen as likely to win the nomination. Go back and look at national media in Fall 2003, the media pushed Dean, the media pushed Clark, the media pushed Edwards, and a small portion (big labor related) pushed Gephardt. The ONLY coverage he got was questions on whether he would drop out after Iowa or after NH.)
In Iowa, through fall and January, Kerry was consistently winning people over - and they stayed with him, while Dean's numbers (Des Moines Register polling) were slipping. The nationwide media ignored that for the most part speaking of the difficulty of polling for caucuses. Then the weekend before the caucus, two things happened that could have accelerated that trend. Dean, harassed by an elderly heckler, demanded he "sit down". The Kerry campaign had received a call from the man Kerry saved in Vietnam. The staffer who got the call was smart enough to know this was gold. They immediately flew the man out and had him join Kerry at a previously scheduled event for Youthbuild, a program that helps poor, mostly minority young people learn trades while helping them complete high school. The video of Rassman seeing Kerry after over 30 years - hugging and Kerry responding to Rassman's thanks by quietly saying "anyone would have done that" was played - at least on cable repeatedly, usually before or after Dean yelling at the man. Add to that a nasty ad battle between Dean and Gephardt.
I suspect that that yelling might have had more impact that the famous "scream" that was painful for me to hear - even though I prefered Kerry at that point, after a year of wanting either of them rather than any competitor.
It may be trite, but in most nomination fights, there is always talk of who has momentum -- and who has under performed. Kerry's momentum not only helped him win NH, it helped him fight the next set of states, that were not friendly to New England - MO, OK, SC, DE, NM, ND and AZ. Dean, losing both Iowa and NH and Trippi having blown almost all the huge amount of money raised strategically opted to not seriously contest these states, concentrating instead contest later states that were more friendly. Meanwhile the media pushed the "sunny" John Edwards - Bill Clinton redux sans bimbo eruptions. Obviously, they were pushing for a replay of 1992 where on a similarly timed set of mostly Southern states, Clinton emerged as the new frontrunner. (Consider that if that happened, Kerry would be far weaker, Edwards had a pretty shallow resume and was still hawkish - there was a real possibility that Dean could return (for the first time by victories) as the front runner.
So, let's consider the impact of the scream. If you look at Dean's NH numbers, they did not decline - they just did not increase. Clark's numbers undecided eroded quickly, going to Kerry. In addition, Gephardt withdrew. Any support he had would certainly not have gone to Dean. Explain why Kerry would NOT get the momentum in NH that every other Iowa winner got? Explain why when Dean failed to meet expectations that his numbers would increase in the short interval between Iowa and NH. It is hard to say that Dean's loss in NH where he did come in second was not a function of where he was before Iowa and the fact that Kerry, already liked, got the frontrunner's momentum.
Now consider the next day with the 7 events. Dean's decision not to compete was that he NEEDED the momentum that winning Iowa/NH would have brought to even do well in those states. As it was he was short on money and cut his losses there. When Kerry won 5 of the 7, he became even stronger.
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)into big monopolies. Time to break them up! Dutch began ignoring the Sherman Anti-Trust Act in 1987.
Same with Big Pharma, health ins., phone cos. as you say.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)them what their jobs are supposed to be, turning the tables on them when they try to stick to their Corporate produced scripts.
He's on Meet the Press tomorrow. We are playing a game here in the Bernie forum. Every time Chuck asks him about Hillary, people can either donate to Bernie's campaign and/or go their Social Media sites, and Chuck Todd's and spread the word about Bernie.
OR, some people are going to play the Drinking game! Lol!
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)I believe Bernie would say it too as he is straight forward and honest, qualities that are extremely rare these days! Mit may not hurt him much if he does since they already want to do whatever they can to stop him.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Very glad to see he gave a long answer on media consolidation.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)with Tom Foley on media consolidation and bias during the "Dean scream" time in '04. He appeared very saddened about how things were.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)These are the real important issues I want to discuss.
merrily
(45,251 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm pumped to have an opportunity to actually meet this exceptional man face to face. I've spoken with him a couple of times during Brunch with Bernie and his no dodging, completely honest approach is something so rare in today's political, I couldn't not be there to meet our next President. World changing history happening right in front of me. Wow, just wow.
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)He's an excellent speaker also, and will not be lured off message by the media. Very skilled, naturally.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I would love to see Bernie. I cannot drive that far even if he comes to Ohio.
TBF
(32,092 posts)I am waiting for him to come to Texas. I can drive to Austin if necessary. *drums fingers*
Omaha Steve
(99,713 posts)Marta and I will be there.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Sanders never sounds like he's tightroping along to imply one thing while saying another. I believe he quite literally speaks his mind.
Hard to do in politics; harder still to do that and get corporate sponsorship.
Therefore all the more worth doing.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Hubert Humphrey and JFK. These great liberals told it like it was and got voters excited from all walks of life.
This was before the corporate mafia hijacked our Democracy of course.
* I would have to add Jimmy Carter in there also but still it was different because he had to fight the corporatists.
There is something about Bernie Sanders entering the race that just gets me excited about liberal politics which I haven't been since the 60's.
People are getting excited about Bernie Sanders campaign and the media will have to pay attention soon because Bernie Sanders is not a spoiler candidate. He is real, he doesn't have to worry about stepping on corporate toes or doesn't have limit to his corporate criticisms as other candidates do. This is June 1st and after 2 weeks his momentum is building fantastically. I think he has a good chance to win the nomination if he can build his grass roots campaign up, and so far I think the cornerstones are in place.
Ok baby boomers do any of you agree?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 10:20 PM - Edit history (1)
And what was the answer (in a nutshell)?
rurallib
(62,448 posts)His answer was quite long - can't remember much right now