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rurallib

(62,448 posts)
Fri May 29, 2015, 06:14 PM May 2015

Just returned from a Sanders event

Muscatine, Iowa.
Sanders very straight forward , covered many of the usual issues like jobs, wages, TPP, etc.. Got questions on SS, "death" taxes, Pentagon spending. I asked about media and consolidation. Got a real long answer.

had about 100. very intimate. Felt like we were talking adult to adult in a conversation.
Bernie does have quite a quick wit also. Funny guy.

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Just returned from a Sanders event (Original Post) rurallib May 2015 OP
Dammit, I want to go to one!! arcane1 May 2015 #1
+1 daleanime May 2015 #11
I'll get to an event a little closer in time to the Skidmore May 2015 #2
Lucky you, thanks for sharing that. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #3
First time I heard him render "This Land...," I KNEW he had a sense of humor. immoderate May 2015 #4
Very cool! SoapBox May 2015 #5
Not that I would want him to say so during the campaign, but the media oligopolies need Dustlawyer May 2015 #6
+1 daleanime May 2015 #12
The last Vermonter who took aim at the media oligopoly got "screamed" right out of the campaign RufusTFirefly May 2015 #14
Had there been no scream the story would have been why did Dean do so badly? karynnj May 2015 #23
Very much like the banks, both were deregulated during Clinton. Then they consolidated appalachiablue May 2015 #16
I think he wil say it. He certainly hasn't held back when they interview him, telling sabrina 1 May 2015 #25
I have MTP on DVR tomorrow, great idea. Dustlawyer May 2015 #27
Huge K&R! cyberswede May 2015 #7
Had I a semi-long talk once PowerToThePeople May 2015 #8
Yeah-but did he quote any scripture??? N/T catnhatnh May 2015 #9
And did he wear a flag pin on his lapel? Ed Suspicious May 2015 #15
sounds great. (He's going to need that sense of humor.) merrily May 2015 #10
I just signed up for Bernie's event 10:00 am Sunday morning in Minneapolis. 99Forever May 2015 #13
Sounds like a great event, lucky you. He is a wit, and has a good sense of humor. appalachiablue May 2015 #17
Recommend...Thanks for Sharing! KoKo May 2015 #18
Thank you, rurallib! Enthusiast May 2015 #19
The Minnesota event is tomorrow morning - TBF May 2015 #20
As soon as he gets to Western IA... Omaha Steve May 2015 #21
Kick and R. BeanMusical May 2015 #22
Yes. "An adult in conversation." DirkGently May 2015 #24
Every time I read posts such as this it just reminds me of INdemo May 2015 #26
What was your question? zappaman May 2015 #28
I asked about media and their lack of diversity of opinion rurallib May 2015 #29

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. Very cool!
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:12 PM
May 2015

What? He talked issues?

Sheesh...doesn't he know he is just supposed to attack other candidates?

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
6. Not that I would want him to say so during the campaign, but the media oligopolies need
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:29 PM
May 2015

busting up every bit as much as the big banks! The regulatory agencies need the former private sector heads replaced with career regulatory personnel. They allowed these mergers and acquisitions to eliminate competition and screw us badly! Look no further than what we pay for Internet and how slow it is compared to the rest of the developed world. Same for drugs, healthcare, phone... you get the picture!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
14. The last Vermonter who took aim at the media oligopoly got "screamed" right out of the campaign
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:18 PM
May 2015

And I don't think that was a coincidence

The scream scene was shown an estimated 633 times by cable and broadcast news networks in just four days following the incident, a number that does not include talk shows and local news broadcasts.However, those who were in the actual audience that day insist that they were not aware of the infamous "scream" until they returned to their hotel rooms and saw it on TV.


Of course, it could've been worse




karynnj

(59,504 posts)
23. Had there been no scream the story would have been why did Dean do so badly?
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015

He and Gephardt were supposed to be numbers one and two - per expectations. In fact neither got even half the people Kerry got. Not to mention, within the Senate - even on the communications subcommittee of the Commerce committee, Kerry had a long record calling for more diversity in the media and against the trend to media consolidation.

I know many here wanted Dean to win, were thrilled when he raised a huge amount of money from small donors on the internet, when he appeared in August 2003 simultaneously on three major news magazines with mostly positive press, and when he topped nation wide polls in Fall 2003. In fact, he had more superdelegates, more money and more media support than anyone going into Iowa.

However, he was already on somewhat of a downswing in early 2004. In NH, where he had a big lead - Clark moved in on him taking some of his support and when Clark started to implode most of his support went to undecided. (setting the stage for Kerry to gain a lead after winning Iowa as he was well liked, but he was not seen as likely to win the nomination. Go back and look at national media in Fall 2003, the media pushed Dean, the media pushed Clark, the media pushed Edwards, and a small portion (big labor related) pushed Gephardt. The ONLY coverage he got was questions on whether he would drop out after Iowa or after NH.)

In Iowa, through fall and January, Kerry was consistently winning people over - and they stayed with him, while Dean's numbers (Des Moines Register polling) were slipping. The nationwide media ignored that for the most part speaking of the difficulty of polling for caucuses. Then the weekend before the caucus, two things happened that could have accelerated that trend. Dean, harassed by an elderly heckler, demanded he "sit down". The Kerry campaign had received a call from the man Kerry saved in Vietnam. The staffer who got the call was smart enough to know this was gold. They immediately flew the man out and had him join Kerry at a previously scheduled event for Youthbuild, a program that helps poor, mostly minority young people learn trades while helping them complete high school. The video of Rassman seeing Kerry after over 30 years - hugging and Kerry responding to Rassman's thanks by quietly saying "anyone would have done that" was played - at least on cable repeatedly, usually before or after Dean yelling at the man. Add to that a nasty ad battle between Dean and Gephardt.

I suspect that that yelling might have had more impact that the famous "scream" that was painful for me to hear - even though I prefered Kerry at that point, after a year of wanting either of them rather than any competitor.

It may be trite, but in most nomination fights, there is always talk of who has momentum -- and who has under performed. Kerry's momentum not only helped him win NH, it helped him fight the next set of states, that were not friendly to New England - MO, OK, SC, DE, NM, ND and AZ. Dean, losing both Iowa and NH and Trippi having blown almost all the huge amount of money raised strategically opted to not seriously contest these states, concentrating instead contest later states that were more friendly. Meanwhile the media pushed the "sunny" John Edwards - Bill Clinton redux sans bimbo eruptions. Obviously, they were pushing for a replay of 1992 where on a similarly timed set of mostly Southern states, Clinton emerged as the new frontrunner. (Consider that if that happened, Kerry would be far weaker, Edwards had a pretty shallow resume and was still hawkish - there was a real possibility that Dean could return (for the first time by victories) as the front runner.

So, let's consider the impact of the scream. If you look at Dean's NH numbers, they did not decline - they just did not increase. Clark's numbers undecided eroded quickly, going to Kerry. In addition, Gephardt withdrew. Any support he had would certainly not have gone to Dean. Explain why Kerry would NOT get the momentum in NH that every other Iowa winner got? Explain why when Dean failed to meet expectations that his numbers would increase in the short interval between Iowa and NH. It is hard to say that Dean's loss in NH where he did come in second was not a function of where he was before Iowa and the fact that Kerry, already liked, got the frontrunner's momentum.

Now consider the next day with the 7 events. Dean's decision not to compete was that he NEEDED the momentum that winning Iowa/NH would have brought to even do well in those states. As it was he was short on money and cut his losses there. When Kerry won 5 of the 7, he became even stronger.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
16. Very much like the banks, both were deregulated during Clinton. Then they consolidated
Fri May 29, 2015, 09:12 PM
May 2015

into big monopolies. Time to break them up! Dutch began ignoring the Sherman Anti-Trust Act in 1987.
Same with Big Pharma, health ins., phone cos. as you say.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. I think he wil say it. He certainly hasn't held back when they interview him, telling
Sat May 30, 2015, 03:14 PM
May 2015

them what their jobs are supposed to be, turning the tables on them when they try to stick to their Corporate produced scripts.

He's on Meet the Press tomorrow. We are playing a game here in the Bernie forum. Every time Chuck asks him about Hillary, people can either donate to Bernie's campaign and/or go their Social Media sites, and Chuck Todd's and spread the word about Bernie.

OR, some people are going to play the Drinking game! Lol!

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
27. I have MTP on DVR tomorrow, great idea.
Sat May 30, 2015, 09:27 PM
May 2015

I believe Bernie would say it too as he is straight forward and honest, qualities that are extremely rare these days! Mit may not hurt him much if he does since they already want to do whatever they can to stop him.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
8. Had I a semi-long talk once
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

with Tom Foley on media consolidation and bias during the "Dean scream" time in '04. He appeared very saddened about how things were.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
13. I just signed up for Bernie's event 10:00 am Sunday morning in Minneapolis.
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:56 PM
May 2015

I'm pumped to have an opportunity to actually meet this exceptional man face to face. I've spoken with him a couple of times during Brunch with Bernie and his no dodging, completely honest approach is something so rare in today's political, I couldn't not be there to meet our next President. World changing history happening right in front of me. Wow, just wow.


appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
17. Sounds like a great event, lucky you. He is a wit, and has a good sense of humor.
Fri May 29, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

He's an excellent speaker also, and will not be lured off message by the media. Very skilled, naturally.

TBF

(32,092 posts)
20. The Minnesota event is tomorrow morning -
Sat May 30, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015

I am waiting for him to come to Texas. I can drive to Austin if necessary. *drums fingers*

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. Yes. "An adult in conversation."
Sat May 30, 2015, 03:06 PM
May 2015

Sanders never sounds like he's tightroping along to imply one thing while saying another. I believe he quite literally speaks his mind.

Hard to do in politics; harder still to do that and get corporate sponsorship.

Therefore all the more worth doing.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
26. Every time I read posts such as this it just reminds me of
Sat May 30, 2015, 04:47 PM
May 2015

Hubert Humphrey and JFK. These great liberals told it like it was and got voters excited from all walks of life.
This was before the corporate mafia hijacked our Democracy of course.
* I would have to add Jimmy Carter in there also but still it was different because he had to fight the corporatists.


There is something about Bernie Sanders entering the race that just gets me excited about liberal politics which I haven't been since the 60's.

People are getting excited about Bernie Sanders campaign and the media will have to pay attention soon because Bernie Sanders is not a spoiler candidate. He is real, he doesn't have to worry about stepping on corporate toes or doesn't have limit to his corporate criticisms as other candidates do. This is June 1st and after 2 weeks his momentum is building fantastically. I think he has a good chance to win the nomination if he can build his grass roots campaign up, and so far I think the cornerstones are in place.

Ok baby boomers do any of you agree?

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
29. I asked about media and their lack of diversity of opinion
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:13 PM
May 2015

His answer was quite long - can't remember much right now

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