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IS "SHE" THE CORRECT WAY TO PRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME OF THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA? (Original Post) Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 OP
I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!! NuclearDem May 2015 #1
the BBC online seems reliable to me. How could the English spelling of Xi translate into SHE? Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #6
BECAUSE CHINESE TO ENGLISH TRANSLITERATION IS ALWAYS A BIT SCREWY NuclearDem May 2015 #7
WELL WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU KNOW!? Rex May 2015 #16
HEY KIDS, PIPE DOWN! jberryhill May 2015 #26
HOLY SHIT IS IT 10:30 ALREADy!?!?! Rex May 2015 #27
. jberryhill May 2015 #28
"THAT" looks like the house in The Amityville Horror Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #29
Third base? Fozzledick May 2015 #58
Good question. zappaman May 2015 #2
What an odd reply. Let's ask Agent Smith, instead. Welcome to The MATRIX, Neo... Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #13
Or zappaman May 2015 #17
WE GOTTA WRITE IN ALL CAPS ON THIS OP! Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #34
GOTCHA! zappaman May 2015 #36
WHILE I WAS PRAYING OR... Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #38
yes nt KT2000 May 2015 #3
This might help. diabeticman May 2015 #4
That "sh" sounds very close the the German "ch" in "ich" rock May 2015 #52
I wonder why the name isn't spelled in English the way it is pronounced... Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #53
It appears that both sounds are in Chinese rock May 2015 #54
Is Beijing the correct pronunciation for Peking? Answer: It certainly is if the Chinese say so. Hekate May 2015 #5
Well, Xuxa is pronounced Shu Sha, so I guess so. NYC_SKP May 2015 #8
Posting in ALL CAPS is internet short-hand for shouting, and generally considered quite rude. Electric Monk May 2015 #9
DIDN'T YOU KNOW THIS IS A WORLDWIDE "SCREAMING" OP? ;-) Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #32
That's what she said. nt betsuni May 2015 #10
Yes (ignoring the tone issues). nt Bonobo May 2015 #11
Is she or isn't she... jberryhill May 2015 #12
Extend the ee part...sheeeeeeeeee Rex May 2015 #14
WHO WANTS TO KNOW? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #15
HU WANTS TO KNOW! jberryhill May 2015 #18
Man I stepped right into that one... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #21
That's what his wife said jberryhill May 2015 #22
STOP XIT-STIRRING! pinboy3niner May 2015 #35
A PREVIOUS POST DID NOT EMPASIZE THE WORD "THAT" READ "THIS" NSA RESPONSE FOR SURE! Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #50
HELLO OPERATOR!? MY REFRIGERATOR IS RUNNING! Rex May 2015 #19
Do you have Prince Albert in a can? jberryhill May 2015 #20
No but I do still have some unopened Billy Beer. Rex May 2015 #23
Depends jberryhill May 2015 #24
Two cannibals are eating a clown. Rex May 2015 #25
Of COURSE it tastes funny pinboy3niner May 2015 #31
"X" is pronounced like the "sh" in "wish." Warpy May 2015 #33
Wow. That is subtle. Chellee May 2015 #37
Chinese is a tonal language, unlike English. Also, it is more than one language, united by... Hekate May 2015 #40
No xit, Xerlock pinboy3niner May 2015 #41
No, the first is toward the front of your mouth, tongue behind your teeth Warpy May 2015 #42
Oh wow, that is subtle, but I totally get what you mean. Neat. Electric Monk May 2015 #43
Then you get the "Q" versus "ch" Warpy May 2015 #49
If anything, it's the other way round for me muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #45
Chinese languages are tonal BainsBane May 2015 #39
Reminds me of the Bush-era "Hu's on first" oldie-but-goodie... Tanuki May 2015 #44
Sir, Hu is now the president of China hifiguy May 2015 #56
Guess Who is on next. Fozzledick May 2015 #60
Anecdote; interestingly, Chinese languages have a lot in common with the ancient Mayan underahedgerow May 2015 #46
Land migration? pfft jberryhill May 2015 #47
Proof, I tell you!! hifiguy May 2015 #61
Yes, it pretty is - LibertyLover May 2015 #48
It is, but I have no idea which tone is appropriate arcane1 May 2015 #51
HERE YOU GO! sakabatou May 2015 #55
Ask Ursula. longship May 2015 #57
Welcome to the Matrix Neo... Let's ask the Oracle Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #59
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. HOLY SHIT IS IT 10:30 ALREADy!?!?!
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:34 PM
May 2015

I BETTER GET MY ASS UPSTAIRS AND IN BED!

*STOMP*

*STOMP*

*STOMP*

SHORT FLIGHT OF STAIRS!!!!

GOODNIGHT!!!

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
29. "THAT" looks like the house in The Amityville Horror
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:47 PM
May 2015

or maybe a movie called Halloween. "You can't kill the bogeyman."

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
13. What an odd reply. Let's ask Agent Smith, instead. Welcome to The MATRIX, Neo...
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:02 PM
May 2015

What does "WE ARE LEGION," mean?

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
38. WHILE I WAS PRAYING OR...
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:15 AM
May 2015

IS I.T. SPELLED PREYING ONLINE, I FOUND THIS 9/11 THEORY:
Revelation 9:11New International Version (NIV)

11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer)[git ready! It's comey.]

rock

(13,218 posts)
52. That "sh" sounds very close the the German "ch" in "ich"
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:15 PM
May 2015

Which is very close to the "sh" in English. If you put your tongue in the position for a "y" as in yes and force air through it will sound much like the "sh" but further back. So the answer to the poster's question is, "Yes, that's how we say it when anglicized."

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
53. I wonder why the name isn't spelled in English the way it is pronounced...
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:24 PM
May 2015

Chinese language characters are far different than English letters.

rock

(13,218 posts)
54. It appears that both sounds are in Chinese
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

That is "sh" as in English "shoe" and "ch" as in German "ich". So they need to distinguish both sounds in the orthography.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
5. Is Beijing the correct pronunciation for Peking? Answer: It certainly is if the Chinese say so.
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:37 PM
May 2015

The BBC probably checked.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
9. Posting in ALL CAPS is internet short-hand for shouting, and generally considered quite rude.
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:43 PM
May 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_caps

With the advent of the Bulletin board system, or BBS, and later the Internet, typing messages in all caps became closely identified with "shouting" or attention-seeking behavior, and is considered very rude. As a result, netiquette generally discourages the use of all caps when posting messages online. While all caps can be used as an alternative to rich-text "bolding" for a single word or phrase, to express emphasis, repeated use of all caps can be considered "shouting" or irritating. Its equivalence to shouting traces back to 1984 and traces back to printed typography usage of all capitals to mean shouting. Such poor netiquette has led to a number of employees being laid off for this particular reason.

Response to Electric Monk (Reply #9)

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
50. A PREVIOUS POST DID NOT EMPASIZE THE WORD "THAT" READ "THIS" NSA RESPONSE FOR SURE!
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:52 PM
May 2015

READ THIS NEWS ARTICLE:

1 dead after Fort Meade gate crashing
NSA: Car failed to stop before police opened fire

The NSA released a statement Monday afternoon saying the driver of the (stolen) sport utility vehicle, Hall, disobeyed instructions from an NSA police officer and failed to stop shortly before 9 a.m. Authorities deployed barriers at the gate as the SUV accelerated toward an NSA police vehicle blocking the road.

"It's overwhelming to me. It's an eye-opener, first of all, because that could have been anybody being in a situation like that, not to say that just anybody would steal a car, but we could be in a bad situation and not in a good head-space," Leonard said. "I'm sure that they didn't leave their house knowing that they wouldn't come home that day or that that would be the end."
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/police-investigating-reports-of-shooting-crash-at-fort-meade/32085082

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
33. "X" is pronounced like the "sh" in "wish."
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:59 PM
May 2015

"Sh" is pronounced like the "sh" in "shirt."

The difference is subtle but it's one that's apparent in that language.

Chellee

(2,101 posts)
37. Wow. That is subtle.
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:10 AM
May 2015


Confession - I don't hear a difference between the 'sh' in wish and the 'sh' in shirt.

Is it the length of time you hold the sound?

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
40. Chinese is a tonal language, unlike English. Also, it is more than one language, united by...
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:30 AM
May 2015

....a system of writing that is not based on an alphabet or syllabary. Even though the writing system was modernized a couple of decades ago and the Chinese informed the West of their preferred spellings (which is how we got Beijing from Peking) it still remains a difficult language for Westerners to learn.

My undergrad major was Asian History, but I graduated in 1971, so all of the place-names I learned are now difficult for me to recognize, not to mention the important historical persons.

All of which is a kind of long way of saying: I can't tell the diff between "sh" -- "sh" -- and "Xi" either!

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
42. No, the first is toward the front of your mouth, tongue behind your teeth
Wed May 20, 2015, 02:15 AM
May 2015

and the second is more toward the sides.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
43. Oh wow, that is subtle, but I totally get what you mean. Neat.
Wed May 20, 2015, 02:27 AM
May 2015

I've never thought about it like that before.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
49. Then you get the "Q" versus "ch"
Wed May 20, 2015, 05:19 PM
May 2015

"Q" is the tch in "itch." "Ch" is like "church." Not quite as subtle but a difference they pick up quickly.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
45. If anything, it's the other way round for me
Wed May 20, 2015, 05:13 AM
May 2015

I pronounce 'wish' with my tongue slightly more out to the sides, I think, and 'shirt' with it a little more 'domed' in the middle. That may be influenced by the shape of my mouth for the vowel sound, though; though it seems the same, for ''wish' and 'shit' with the same vowel sound.

Maybe it's an American thing? I'm British.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
39. Chinese languages are tonal
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:18 AM
May 2015

Mandarin is tonal. So it's not possible to write an entirely phonetic pronunciation in English since we don't have a way to convey changes in tone.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
56. Sir, Hu is now the president of China
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:44 PM
May 2015

Who?
Yes, sir, Hu.
That's what I wanna know, who?
It's Hu.....


underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
46. Anecdote; interestingly, Chinese languages have a lot in common with the ancient Mayan
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:52 AM
May 2015

languages in terms of sounds and spellings. Not meanings though.

I blame that land bridge migration thingy.

Xel Ha, Chichinizta, Xcaret, etc.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. Land migration? pfft
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:41 AM
May 2015



Everyone has been looking inside the pyramids, but nobody's been looking UNDER them!

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
48. Yes, it pretty is -
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:30 AM
May 2015

my daughter's last name, given to all children at the orphanage she came from, is Xi. All girls got the same first name - Li - as well. It was the middle name that distinguished them. My daughter's Chinese name is Xi Li Liang. According to her Chinese teacher it is pronounced She Lee Lee Ang.

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