Already tired of the primary?

[RobertEarl]

I sure am.

Being as a recent DU poll showed 90% of us are Bernie voters, then we should just admit to the inevitability of it and make GD a Bernie group and be done with it. The supporters of that other person can have their own group and we'll all be happy!

[LAGC]

1. BernieUnderground.

The few Hillary supporters can all head over to Discussionist once Hillary's big money wins her the primary, but this site is forever Bernie's.

[RobertEarl]

4. Yes it is

The other's supporters should just accept that Bernie has won over DU and do other things?

[LAGC]

6. A little healthy debate back and forth never hurt anyone.

Frankly, I'm not too worried about who wins the primary.

And I'm not that deluded to think that Bernie could accomplishment that much as president, depending on the makeup of Congress.

All I care about is that Reagan's red-headed stepchildren (Scalia and Kennedy) get replaced on the SCOTUS by staunch liberals.

Anything beyond that is pure gravy.

[RobertEarl]

8. Keeeripes!

I just reread your first post and you think Clinton will win the primary!

My bad. See, the thing is, DU called the 2008 election about Clinton and it's called this one, now. If you think money is gonna win, we really have nothing to discuss. My bad.

[sabrina 1]

14. One thing I know about Bernie, he will FIGHT Congress if he has to, the way Obama

is fighting them now, only Bernie will fight the Republicans. And yes he can win unless we don't want him to.

[Bobbie Jo]

21. Skinner may disagree.

Just sayin...

[Thinkingabout]

2. I don't think there is anything stopping making another blog site for Bernie supporters.

DU is trying to elect Demcrats.

[morningfog]

72. Good thing! Bernie's running as a Dem.

And the best Democrat there is.

[KMOD]

3. I thought we were against coronations?

[betsuni]

9. Ha! Good one. nt

[KMOD]

12. :)

[sabrina 1]

15. We are. Bernie was chosen by the people. He didn't inherit anything he EARNED it.

[KMOD]

43. I don't believe the people have chosen yet.

but early polls outside of DU indicate the complete opposite of the DU poll.

[Trajan]

53. Not surprising ... Maybe you would be more happy

"Outside of DU"? ...

Practically anywhere else will do ...

[KMOD]

55. I can't even tell when people are joking or not anymore.

If you are joking,

If you aren't joking, wow!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. If he or she left D U would be losing a contributing member...

If he or she left D U would be losing a contributing member...Somebody would have to replace his or her contribution, am I right?

[hrmjustin]

100. Was that sarcasm?

[sabrina 1]

64. Bernie asked the people if they wanted him to run, promising that if they did, he would.

A resounding 'yes' from Democrats and Independents (any Indie polls you'd like to refer us to, the largest voting bloc now in the country as voters flee both parties) and he has kept his promise.

Even among just Dems, Bernies polls have been steadily rising since Jan. as more and more people get to know him.

Hard to say you support someone you never heard of, no? But as he becomes known, his polls have gone from 1% way into the teens, and will only continue to rise as his supporters and his campaign make his name as familiar to voters as Clinton.

I, eg, have already signed up several Dems for Bernie. IT was easy, not familiar with him at all, they asked for info. All I had to do was to tell them where he stands on important issues, show them his long record, and all they wanted to know was 'where do I sign up'.

[hrmjustin]

59. What people?

[sabrina 1]

65. You mean you missed his message to voters? Thankfully most of us did not. 'People' = 'voters, Dems,

Indies, and most of all, those who had dropped out of the system in disgust who are increasingly returning just to vote for him.

[hrmjustin]

66. You said he was chosen by the people.

Last I checked there was no primary yet.

[sabrina 1]

67. He was chosen as a candidate BY THE PEOPLE, not by Wall St. Every other candidate in this race

was chosen by and is backed by Corporate money. Bernie is backed by the people's money.

A vote for Bernie is a vote AGAINST Citizens United. A vote for any of the other Corporate funded candidates is a vote FOR Citizens United.

[hrmjustin]

69. But he wasn't chosen by anyone yet in a vote.

Yes his fundraising is impressive but it doesn't equal votes.



What do you think of the op?

[sabrina 1]

79. You have chosen Hillary, Who is backing your candidate? I have chosen Bernie and thankfully he

listened to those of us who begged him to run.

Did Hillary ask the people if they wanted her to run, or was she approved by those Corporate entities who are funding her campaign?

I don't recall her asking us whether or not we wanted her to run.

I do recall Bernie doing so. That is why he is running.

So who asked Hillary to run? Why is she running?

Bernie is being funded by ordinary people like me.

Hillary is about to receive approx. 2.5 billion dollars from those who asked HER to run.

[hrmjustin]

80. Many of us asked Hillary to run thank you very much.

She has broad support in our party.

[zappaman]

86. What party would that be?

The fascist party?

"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658778

[hrmjustin]

87. That is a classic!

[zappaman]

89. I hope Hillary is not the nominee.

If she is, it looks like we will lose some DUers!

[hrmjustin]

90. Lol.

They will just have to deal with President Hillary Clinton.

[zappaman]

91. Yes but...

On another site I suppose.

[hrmjustin]

94. If she is the nominee I suspect thst most will get behind her.

The ones that won't will be silent through the election so they can complain about her after she is elected.

[sabrina 1]

116. When you are the party's only candidate, you should have full support until the voters have other

choices. I didn't ask her to run, I was told she was inevitable.

Now it seems she is not. We are going to have other choices, not just Sanders. Now that broad support is likely to start diminishing, in fact it has. As it should be.

[hrmjustin]

117. That is fine that you didn't ask her to run but I and many others did and support her.

Cheers.

[brooklynite]

93. What do you think READY FOR HILLARY was all about?

I believe their support level was about one million. Exactly how many "people" asked Sanders to run?

[Agschmid]

76. Lol.

We had a primary? I didn't notice. Weird.

[Evergreen Emerald]

96. If you don't believe Clinton EARNED IT

Then you have not been paying attention.

[sabrina 1]

115. I have been paying attention. This is what I pay attention to:

1) The voting record on major issues of candidates running for the WH.

2) How their campaign promises gel with that record.

And now we know that one if the most important things to look at is:

3) Who is funding them?

#3 is going to be a huge in all campaigns from now on.

Because you don't get billions of dollars from wealthy, corporate entities unless they are expecting something in return.

And because of the major problems with our electoral system IS this poisonous money that is buying our Representatives.

Now we have a candidate who is not taking their money.

All the whining about Citizens United can now be put into action, because a vote for that candidate who is refusing their money, is a vote against CU.

[leftofcool]

29. Not really.

They want to crown Bernie so he can go around waving his magical wizard wand that will solve all of their financial woes.

[RichVRichV]

82. Not really.

Actually we want to elect Bernie so we can start down the road back to fiscal sanity. Supply side economics is a total failure. It's time people wake up and realize it (and they are).


No one has the illusion that electing Bernie will magically fix all of our problems. He is just the first major step to retaking our country for the people.

[brooklynite]

95. "Supply side economics is a total failure"

I wasn't aware that any Democrat was in support of Supply Side economics. You DID know that Hillary Clinton voted against the Bush Tax Cuts, right?

[JoePhilly]

118. DU is a perpetual search for the next Messiah.

[John Poet]

5. The fact is, the independent/socialist in this race

is a better democrat than the Democrat.

[AtomicKitten]

17. True.

[Brother Buzz]

7. I got to get that damn Wayback Machine back from the starfish so...

I can retrieve my sample ballot.

Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for midnight, May 06, 2016.

[RobertEarl]

10. I am so glad

That whenever you see my posts you think of the sea stars. Shows I made a huge impact on speaking for them. Thanks!

Oh, they still don't know why they are wasting away. But they did find a 600% increase in Fukushima material, in the water the sea stars live in.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. We're having our own little convention out here to put up a local...

slate for this year.

And next year all of the House, a third of the Senate, and a whole bunch of governors, state legislators and who knows what else is up for election.

But, let's keep Bernie Underground going.

Boo-yah!

[sabrina 1]

16. Bernie's supporters will vote straight Democrat, Progressive Democrat for a change. Iow we will

be looking for the Progressives the party never supports and they will benefit from Bernie's increasing popularity.

No more nose holding, this time have someone to vote FOR.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Well, the remaining Not as Bad 10% are still around and assuring us that Hillary can't lose.

And, that the TPP and fracking are good for us.

[RobertEarl]

18. 9% now

They are running out of members. Some have even gone so far as to start posting about GOP candidates.

I feel bad for them. 8% is their next level?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I have been on this board for twelve years...

I have been on this board for twelve years and donating to it all this time. I don't plan on leaving.

[tammywammy]

20. I don't think any decisions should be made off an unscientific bullshit poll

There was also a large amount of support for Kucinich on DU and that translated to squat outside our bubble. Though Bernie certainly has the ability to do much better than Kucinich

[RobertEarl]

25. I didn't even vote in that poll

I did vote for Kucinich tho.

Reading DU back in 2008, one could tell Clinton would not win, and now in 2015 same story. If Clinton can't even poll even on DU she doesn't stand a chance. Bernie, tho, is tops. He's trending big with a mass following of educated and invigorated activists. You may call their polling bullshit, but from where I sit, it's the future of the Democratic party's nomination. Best just join in and get with the program! Go Bernie!

[brooklynite]

101. But she doesn't have to win on DU...she has to win with Democrats...

Last time round she got the same amount as Obama: 18 million votes. So Bernie needs to become as popular as the most transformational candidates in decades, who was also well organized and well funded. Care to tell us how he does it?

[FSogol]

22. Look at how well it worked for President Kucinich! He had 90% approval on DU too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Somebody should resurrect the actual DU polls from that era.

It would provide comic relief.

[FSogol]

24. True. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. The search function can be difficult...

This thread is pointless and divisive.

[leftofcool]

26. That would be a hoot!

[RobertEarl]

28. Link?

I think Kucinich had about 20%. But if you have proof otherwise.....

You should learn to trust DUers and quit fighting the reality that Bernie is gonna win. Bernie is inevitable. He's the best candidate we've had in years and years.

[leftofcool]

31. LMAO! Let us know when he starts polling at better than 12%

[RobertEarl]

54. Won't be long

Bernie has just begun. Clinton's been around forever.

What is important is that DU - the educated and informed real Democrats - are so much in favor of Bernie. That will translate very soon across America and it will be overwhelming. My advice? Don't fight it. Accept it and be glad. Its what all the cool people will be doing.

[leftofcool]

78. Bernie is not a Democrat so therefore his supporters can't be Democrats

He can "run" as a Democrat but that does not make him one. He said so himself.

[RobertEarl]

81. Ever hear of...?

Scraping the bottom of the barrel? Cause that's what you just did.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. No, I'm not tired since it doesn't really start until the Iowa sings.

From a Real Clear Politics Poll, it appears that Senator Sanders (I intend to stay away from using first names since the use of first names for politicians is frowned upon according to the news) is not doing quite so well outside of DU>

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

[RobertEarl]

34. It started here already

Which is good.

We already have a clear front runner on DU. Bernie Sanders.

I would suggest that anyone doubting such wisdom exercise their right to post another poll just to confirm how teeny-tiny small the opposition to Bernie really is on DU. PUMA types can then be reminded of the reality and maybe they can get with it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Democratic Underground is as representative of the Democratic party as the sites...

Democratic Underground is as representative of the Democratic party as the sites that shall not be mentioned are representative of the Republican party...

[brooklynite]

99. Although to be fair, that OTHER site tends to disdain the Republican Party.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. IMHO, that might be another area of similarity./NT

[Agnosticsherbet]

45. I think of this whole phase as the equivalent to betting on a horse race.

All of the horses are not even at the starting gate.
We are not even sure where the jockeys are.
But the betting windows are open, almost everybody has picked a favorite.

Now, if Senator Sanders were running for President of Democratic Underground, he would win the race before the competition made it around the second turn.

In the polls outside of DU, he is being beat by Michelle Obama. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html)

Though I previously supported Senator Sanders, I've decided to wait and see who else is running, and get a feel for the track.

[upaloopa]

32. There is no scientific poll that says 90% of us

are Bernie voters. You should say 90% of those who replied to the question answered Bernie. That does not represent DU. This OP like so many others represents the delusional state of mind Bernie supporters are in and they think we should hand over the 2016 election to them!

[RobertEarl]

35. heh

You should post a poll of your own.

Denial of the reality that Bernie rules is what is delusional.

It's done. Bernie rules DU!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. "It's done. Bernie rules DU! "

And Ben Carson rules Free Republic...

Both gentleman have as much chance of being POTUS as I do of beating Kimbo Slice in the Octagon.

[leftofcool]

39. Until Hillary wins the primary and then you will have to take Bernie back to Vermont

[RobertEarl]

44. Hillary is not going to win

Not a chance. DU polls show the reality. 90% of DU members for Bernie. Why is that? Because DU members are educated and informed. Now we spread the message to the rest of the US, eh? That is the program. We should all just get with it and make it so.

[L0oniX]

85. Goldman Sachs will be helping.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches-2013-10?op=1

[upaloopa]

49. You don't know anything about statistical

sampling do you? With that lack of incite don't you see why your side will never convince a majority to vote for you?
It's almost as if you are naive children playing in an adult game.

[RobertEarl]

50. Eh?

I could see the writing on the wall in 2008. It said Clinton could not win, and she did not.

The writing on the DU wall today is in BIG letters: Bernie in 2016!!

The country will be well served with such a great President!!

[leftofcool]

51. How's Bernie polling in Kentucky?

[NCTraveler]

33. I thought we already had a safehaven for Sanders supporters.

I mean outside of gd. Are your sensibilities so offended that you need two safe haven groups? Sounds more like bullying to me. Sanders himself is strong enough to stand up to scrutiny, you should learn from him.

[RobertEarl]

37. It's just sad

To see the flailing about for other candidates. We need unity now. Bernie can defeat the big money politics and we all need to get behind him to whoop big money's butts. He is the only choice to do so.

[NCTraveler]

40. I don't buy into coronations as you do.

In any way at all.

[RobertEarl]

42. Not coronation

Just reality. Bernie has won over the hearts and minds of good DUers from sea to shining sea.

[NCTraveler]

47. No candidate has been endorsed at du. One is overwhelmingly supported.

You seem to be very sensitive about support of other progressive candidates. This idolization you have with Sanders is somewhat uncomfortable. There was an op started today taking on your exact thought process.

[RobertEarl]

52. It's a good thing Bernie is so great!

I don't really cotton to the personal attacks. So very distasteful. You should probably reconsider your avenue of intercourse?

[RobertEarl]

41. My apologies

Surveying the number of replies tells me that there are quite a few members replying that I do have on ignore. That's the way it goes.....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Passive-aggressiveness is an ugly trait.

Please add me to your "ignore list".


Thank you in advance.

[MoonRiver]

48. Might not work since Skinner is a Hillary supporter. n/t

[GusBob]

56. I love primary elections, always have

Even before I was old enough to vote I enjoyed that part of politics. Learning about the different candidates of both parties, their positions and listening to their supporters , watching the campaigns, how they shape up, the back stories, the inside stories, the strategies.

After the elections there are always the reprises that are published by magazines, what happened behind the scenes. I love reading them.

The primaries are great because there are so many choices. The more the merrier for me. Which is why I don't have anyone on ignore.

The general election are always kind of a let down. You know who your gonna vote for. Nate Silver tells ya whose gonna win the last 2. Bush v Gore was a real bummer. When Wonkette called it for Kerry, that was a bad time too

[RobertEarl]

57. Primaries used to be fun for me too

Not so much any more. It really is cut and dried for me. Bernie has everything I ever wanted or expected from a President, so it's a done deal. 90% of DU agrees. Yay!

As for ignore, there are some here who just are tiresome and not worth letting irritate me. I try to reply to all who post in my threads. But I don't have time or patience for some, so ignore is quite welcome for my viewing pleasure.

[GusBob]

105. So your post has 104 replies and 2 recs

How many replies are you ignoring?

[hrmjustin]

106. mine it seems.

[GusBob]

107. *laughs*

[hrmjustin]

109. Can't say I blame him.

His last interaction with me did not go well for him.

[zappaman]

112. To be fair...

You're in the majority of DU on that subject!

[hrmjustin]

114. lol.

As this op shows.

[hrmjustin]

58. Who made you boss?

[LanternWaste]

60. You then believe that particular poll is a valid indicator

You then believe that particular poll is a valid indicator despite its lack of any standard methodology, and changes should be made to DU based on its outcome?

If so, do that apply to all DU polls or simply this one? If the latter, what is the precise and relevant difference?

"and we'll all be happy!" Cool prophecy, Exidor! Pull the other one...

[RobertEarl]

61. Sure we'd be happy

Happy with Bernie as the nominee of the party? Hell yeah!! Who wouldn't be except the folks in the VRWC.

You are free to try your hand at a poll, eh? I'd wager the numbers today would be up to 92 percent for Bernie.

[LanternWaste]

70. Did you accidentally or consciously avoid the relevant question posed?

Did you accidentally or consciously avoid the two primary and relevant question posed?

I understand-- they may be inconvenient queries given one's bias, and if answering them illustrates a lack of rational thought, I completely understand avoiding them...

[RobertEarl]

73. Huh?

It is quite obvious that I consider the poll to be accurate and indicative of how the majority of DUers consider this situation. Doh!

Therefore, you can be aware that I considered your redundancy to have been not only redundant, but twicely irrelevant.

If you have a real considered question I'd be most happy to enjoin it, as, at present, you are not yet on my ignore list.

[hrmjustin]

62. If you really think this should happen then send the owners a note.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

[BainsBane]

63. Yes, narrow the acceptable ideas and participants

to an increasingly smaller, even more homogeneous group so they it no way resembles the voting demographic of the Democratic party or the US.

The primary hasn't begun. The discussion on this site has nothing to do with the primary or the election, and that poll signals nothing other than people have ensured anyone who diverges from the orthodoxy of group think is targeted as the enemy. Post a question about Sanders' position on the issue and the OP is met with derision. People don't want to discuss any issues. They want to worship their chosen political messiah. I'm told they did the exactly same thing with Obama, only to then turn on him.
God help Sanders if he's elected. The first ones calling for his head will be the very ones worshiping him now.

[RobertEarl]

68. Narrow? Enemy? Worship? Messiah?

Wow wee zowweee. You sure have a knack for keywords. No substance, tho.

Bernie has years of background which is quite aligned with the smart, educated and informed members of DU. We are not easily fooled, and Bernie is not a run-of-the-mill politico who goes around fooling people.

Now there's something of substance to chew on, eh?

[LanternWaste]

71. There is more than a wee bit of irony in that given the substance of your posts in this thread...

" No substance, tho..."
There is more than a wee bit of irony in that given the substance of your posts in this thread...


(insert rationalization below to better justify holding others to a higher standard than you've been holding yourself to in this thread)

[RobertEarl]

74. Maybe I be pulling some legs?

Ya think? Sure got a reaction from some-a-one-a-you-two.

I did proffer some substance about Bernie's creds and why he has such vast and overwhelming support on DU. You did have a chance to chew on it before replying. Doesn't seem you liked the taste.

[BainsBane]

83. Are you not demanding loyalty?

To make DU a Sanders only zone? Yes, narrow, to people who think and live exactly like you.

How is it that "educated and informed" people take any thread asking about Sanders' plans for the presidency as a attack against their hero?

I don't know why you are so determined to banish anyone with any views that don't comport precisely with your own, the so-called "underground" ( ). The fact the owner has come out for another candidate apparently has no effect on your conviction that you are entitled to determine what views are allowed to be expressed here. And here I was am thinking that DU suffers from having a narrow demographic that in no way resembles the population at large, while you are determined to make it even more homogeneous. Evidently the prospect of being exposed to ideas that you don't agree with is something that an "educated and informed" person such as yourself finds unacceptable. Such hostility to intellectual engagement does not comport with my understanding of education, but then my concept of education doesn't require everyone to think exactly like me because i know that very concept is entirely antithetical to critical thinking.

[RobertEarl]

88. Intellectual engagment would be nice

Bernie wants to engage Hillary and I can hardly wait.

As for my wanting to banish, that is a false accusation. I merely wish to spare others of them wasting their time.

I am just expressing my opinion and I see you want me to not do so? Heh. That's weird.

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. We will ALL be much happier once each and every one of us has slipped the bonds

of negativity and become Of The Body who bask in the radiance of the awesome wonderfulness of BERNIE! (I took the liberty of appending a "!" to his name. I hope it's not too ostentatious.)

(I support Bernie, too, but what the heck -- might as well have a little fun with it all. I figure we're probably hosed no matter who gets elected, so there's no great harm in enjoying this nice little ride in the tumbrel.)

[RobertEarl]

77. That's the spirit!!

Bern, baby, Bern!!

[FSogol]

84. LOL, Bernie will say the words of the Constitution backwards and all corporations

will be undone. True Socialists will rise up for free college and free Government baby gifts (like Finland!) while corporate CEOs will live in misery and gnash their teeth....

[brooklynite]

92. Amazing how quickly favorable polls supporting Hillary Clinton are discounted as "name recognition"

...while an opt-in poll is apparently a bellwether for the entire DU community.

[Evergreen Emerald]

98. Irony alert. He is not a democrat.

You are advocating for limiting the GD (of Democratic Underground) to independent supporters?

Lol.

[longship]

103. What primary?

There are no primaries this year that I know of. So I don't know how I could be tired of one.

However, I do get rather tired of the naive and combative idiots here on DU who apparently think that the 2016 primary is next week and the general election is in 2015 instead of 2016. And all the party infighting makes DU utterly suck!

Those people are acting like two year olds.

I might remind folks that tearing down your opponent does absolutely nothing to support your candidate. All that accomplishes is to make politics utterly suck, as well as DU.

[giftedgirl77]

104. Or you could just take your shit to the Bernie Sanders group

Since this is Democratic Underground & not Bernie Sanders Underground. Many of us chose to ignore the silly ass poll you chose to reference.

[RobertEarl]

110. That was a great poll

Indicative of the way DUers see the primaries.

Go Bernie!

[hrmjustin]

111. Can you link to the poll?

Because if 7t is the one I think you are talking about it didn't ask whoare you voting for but more about voting the heart.

Link?

[sufrommich]

108. Not just a troll OP but a Meta troll OP. nt

[zappaman]

113. Hey, give him credit.

He's racking up the recs!