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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:56 AM May 2015

"Did Barack Obama Just Lose to Elizabeth Warren?" (Not really...)

Did Barack Obama Just Lose to Elizabeth Warren?
Not really. On the fast-track trade bill, he was rebuffed by his own party.
—By David Corn
| Tue May 12, 2015 Mother Jones



In Washington, as in much of life, it often seems that social evolution doesn't progress much beyond high school. So it was hardly surprising that in the media the battle over the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal was often depicted as a spat between the BMOC of the party (President Barack Obama) and the queen of the alt crowd (Sen. Elizabeth Warren). Yet the vote on Tuesday afternoon in the Senate that blocked fast-track legislation—which would allow the president to bring the TPP to an up-or-down floor vote with no amendments—was a sign that Obama's problems are not just with Warren, the Massachusetts populist and progressive darling. Every member of his own party but one voted to stymie a vote on the fast-track bill Obama has been pushing. And after the vote, Sen. Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat who often is mindful of the interests of Manhattan-based financiers, was at the mic denouncing the fast-track measure and demanding a trade deal that does right by American workers—a jab at Obama, who has passionately asserted the TPP is good for US workers.

It turns out that Warren was not holding a marginal position, as the White House had contended. The president was....

Despite what Obama officials were saying, there are real policy issues at the heart of this debate. One is transparency...Snip..

...There are plenty of other policy details Warren has cited to support her opposition to the TPP and the fast-track bill. This is rather complicated stuff. Yet the White House tried to cast this as a political fight driven by Warren's desire to remain the favorite of progressive Democrats.

Perhaps the White House fell into a trap and focused too much on Warren. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate, was just as adamant in his opposition, declaring that he would block the fast track bill unless it contained provisions aimed at currency manipulation by China. (Labor unions have been demanding that trade deals confront this matter because currency manipulation allows China to export cheap goods and inflate the price of imported goods manufactured by American workers.) But TPP advocates have feared that a currency manipulation provision could sink the whole deal. Democrats, though, rallied behind Reid on this matter.

The outcome of the vote was "shocking," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell observed afterward. And it was. Even pro-trade Democratic senators sided with Reid.

The TPP and fast track are not dead. The White House called the vote merely a "procedural snafu." But Obama and his aides did seem to miscalculate. His strategy of trying to make Warren the odd woman out failed—at least in this round....

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/barack-obama-elizabeth-warren-tpp-fast-track


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"Did Barack Obama Just Lose to Elizabeth Warren?" (Not really...) (Original Post) RiverLover May 2015 OP
Much more than a procedural snafu- that's clearly a lie to minimize cali May 2015 #1
We have to really parse through the attempts to spin the narrative here. RiverLover May 2015 #2
I think the ground shook...TPA/TPP/TIPP are shown as vulnerable HereSince1628 May 2015 #18
Dems voted NO because it didn't include provisions Obama wanted.... JaneyVee May 2015 #3
Spin spin spin! 99Forever May 2015 #4
Spin this: JaneyVee May 2015 #8
Blah blah blah. 99Forever May 2015 #11
Here's from Wyden email after vote: JaneyVee May 2015 #12
More blah blah blah. 99Forever May 2015 #14
Spin! Spin! Spin! JaneyVee May 2015 #16
Jesus, you're rude. randome May 2015 #17
This is what we're dealing with. And... JaneyVee May 2015 #20
"... social evolution doesn't progress much beyond high school ..." pampango May 2015 #15
I thought Dems voted no because they were disrespectful to the POTUS TheSarcastinator May 2015 #5
you left out schizophrenic . nt m-lekktor May 2015 #7
That's what happens when people accuse him of sexism JaneyVee May 2015 #9
OMFG m-lekktor May 2015 #6
This issue may be over your head. JaneyVee May 2015 #10
"Doubtful Obama would have signed" cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #19
Very interesting piece; it was a mistep for the President to focus on Sen. Warren obviously. appalachiablue May 2015 #13
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. Much more than a procedural snafu- that's clearly a lie to minimize
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:58 AM
May 2015

this philosophical rift, but obviously the TPP and TPA are FAR from dead.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
2. We have to really parse through the attempts to spin the narrative here.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:02 AM
May 2015

That's why I loved this article at MoJo, it drilled right to the heart of the matter & exposed the failed attempt by the president to make this something it wasn't.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. I think the ground shook...TPA/TPP/TIPP are shown as vulnerable
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:12 AM
May 2015

regardless of how it's described, American citizens are going to view these things differently after yesterday.

clearly some aspects of TPA must be changed to move it forward, it seems less certain to me that anything in the TPP itself will actually be changed.

Moreover, it's up to the politicians to use this to advantage in negotiating the agreement's path forward. I don't really trust DCdems to do more than find a way to make sure this works for their financial overlords.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. Dems voted NO because it didn't include provisions Obama wanted....
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:39 AM
May 2015

Republicans stripped worker protections and currency manipulation from it. Doubtful Obama would have signed considering his support for those provisions. In the meantime, we're stuck with NAFTA as TPP was basically a repeal.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
8. Spin this:
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

Email from Shaheen:

"The Senate Finance Committee passed a package of trade bills that included provisions to level the playing field for American workers and businesses, including measures to address currency manipulation and properly enforce trade agreements.  Unfortunately, the Republican leadership in the Senate did not bring the entire Finance Committee package to the floor for consideration. It’s critical that these measures be included in the trade package before I can agree to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed to the bill.” 

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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. Here's from Wyden email after vote:
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:02 AM
May 2015

"As I told you last month, it is critical that any new trade agreements protect American workers, level the playing field, protect human rights, raise labor standards, protect the environment, and defend a free and open internet.  

If we're going to strike a trade agreement, it has to be a fair deal for American workers.  

To make that happen, I negotiated an agreement with Republicans in the Senate.  We agreed to move forward with votes on critical enforcement provisions at the same time as the vote on trade promotion authority.  We had a deal.  

But today, it became clear that the Republican leadership in the Senate would insist on moving forward on expanding trade without the accompanying enforcement provisions.

Without enforcement, this trade deal is a bad deal for America.  Without enforcement, this trade deal would fail to protect our workers against trade cheats.  Without enforcement, this trade deal would allow the shameful practices of child labor and slavery to continue unchecked.  

As I told my colleagues, if we don't have a deal on enforcement, then we don't have a deal on trade.  

No deal means no deal.

I remain committed to expanding trade opportunities for Oregonians and all Americans. But we're going to do it right."

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Blah blah blah = troll level. It's apparent you only care about "Obama look bad" instead of facts. That's a tea party trait. Cheers!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
14. More blah blah blah.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:04 AM
May 2015

Progressives won, Republicans lost. I guess we can clearly see which side of that equation you sit on, eh?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. Jesus, you're rude.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:11 AM
May 2015

Apparently you go 'blah blah blah' over information you don't like. That's the absolute worst thing about this setback for the TPP -that we have to contend on DU with childish baiting like "I told you so!" and "I was right!"

Whereas the rest of us -what I assume to be the majority of DU- are simply waiting to see what happens next. You know, like objective observers of national politics.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
20. This is what we're dealing with. And...
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:19 AM
May 2015

Here I thought sticking fingers in the ear and saying blah blah blah to facts was exclusively a conservative trait.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. "... social evolution doesn't progress much beyond high school ..."
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:05 AM
May 2015

"Spin spin spin!

Bwahahahahahha."

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