Obama's approval rating with liberal Dems has remained extremely high as he's pushed TPP

[Cali_Democrat]

Please don't shoot the messenger.

I'm just pointing out some basic facts.

3 weeks ago his approval rating with liberal Dems was 84%
2 weeks ago it was 85%
1 week ago it was 88%
This week it's 87%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

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TPA and TPP have been front and center the last month, but it hasn't hurt Obama's standing with liberal Dems.

[malthaussen]

1. I never shoot messengers.

It's more fun to cut off their heads.

-- Mal

[still_one]

2. Obviously they didn't ask DU

[djean111]

3. Oh! Then, since I consider myself liberal, and liberals give Obama a high aproval rating, then

logically, I should like the TPP! Nope, I don't do that lockstep thing. Not logical at all. And, since Obama cannot run for prez again, I don't see why his approval rating matters in the least. Never did see that. I am an issues person, not a lockstep poll-following person.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. You're clearly one of the few liberal Dems who doesn't approve

Sure, you guys exist, but you're few and far between.

[djean111]

6. That's okay. Not much of a herd-oriented animal. And since the poll did not include a question

about the TPP, as far as I can tell, I don't see why that poll should make me feel I need to approve of the TPP.
Are you saying that, because of a poll, I should be happy about the TPP? Good grief! And - no.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. "Are you saying that, because of a poll, I should be happy about the TPP?"

No.

[ucrdem]

4. Liberals get it.

Libertarians, not so much.

[djean111]

7. Really? If someone does not care for the TPP, they are libertarian? Oh, boy - that's desperate.

And a fail. Oooh, will I be a dreaded Left Leaning Libertarian? As if that had any impact on anything.

[ucrdem]

10. Yes, that's the way it seems to sort out:

Liberalism has been from its early modern beginnings oriented toward internationalism, including commerce and treaties, and is not resistant to regulation.

Libertarians are mistrustful of government intrusion i.e. regulation and from what I've seen TPP like ACA is basically a super-sized set of regulations.

[cui bono]

20. Wow. This is the third term in as many days that you have no idea what it means.

First was dog whistling. I don't think you were ever able provide examples of your claim that Sanders is dog whistling.

Second was reactionary. Again, you never came up with evidence of your accusation that Sanders is being reactionary.

And now liberals. If you think what you described is liberal, if you really believe that, you need to stop posting and go educate yourself. Just because you ignore the posts of those who point out you are wrong or those who ask you for evidence of your false and ridiculous accusations doesn't mean you aren't completely wrong.

Oh, and your logic, boy oh boy, as if your screwy OP wasn't the worst logic ever, your trying to make the TPP something that liberals should get behind by tossing around the term 'regulations' in your post above, wow, you really should be embarrassed. It must be aggravating to have to try so hard to support POTUS on something so dreadful that you have to make yourself look so uneducated and stupid to do it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

14. This guy isn't competent to judge who is liberal

He is extremely centrist, and I'm being charitable.

[cui bono]

17. You mean self-described liberals who are actually centrist will defend Obama on anything.

Actual liberals really do get it and see it for what it is, a disaster.

A lot of people think just because they're a Dem they are liberal, and therefore just accept Obama as a liberal, which he most certainly is not. He himself calls his policy moderate Republican.

Also, most polled Dems really don't pay that much attention to all these issues like DU does.

[cali]

21. I am anything but a libertarian. I am a staunch liberal

and people have been hearing for 6 years now from the MSM how liberal he is. It's inaccurate, but what the hell.

Hey, I'm sure you back the President on the admin's decision today to grant approval to Shell to drill in the fragile Chukchi Sea- despite the BOEM's own assessment that there is a 75% chance of a major accident, and despite Shell's history in the Arctic.

But you trust him, so it's all good.

[Marr]

8. You guys really need to make up your minds. Do we know what's in the TPP and love it, or

does it not even exist yet, so we can't legitimately form an opinion on it?

Seems to be whatever's most convenient at any given moment.

[polichick]

9. That's simply because most people support their team when polled.

[FSogol]

11. Or because most Democrats don't think Obama would do something that would harm America.

[Andy823]

12. +1,000,000 nt

[Cali_Democrat]

15. Yep. nt

[cali]

22. You mean like open the Chukchi Sea to Shell drilling

despite the government's own assessment that there is a 75% chance of a major accident?

Fuck, people are just so.... trusting.

[FSogol]

24. Maybe they should just let Russia drill there. They have a much better record on the environment,

right?



File Under: "Being President means you get everything you want."

[TheKentuckian]

27. How do you get that if someone opposes drilling in a sensitive area that they want the Russians to?

Quick to reach for the boogieman to justify the inexcusable.

[FSogol]

31. Check your map. There is a race to drill the Arctic. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

34. Drilling the artic is stupicidal, check physics.

[FSogol]

35. If we don't someone else will. Not simple physics, it is simple economics.

I'd rather we do it. We at least sometimes care about the environment. Other players will may not.

[TheKentuckian]

37. It shouldn't be drilled at all. It is flat out insane, the risk/reward ratio is way upside down

and you know it.

Ogga bugga RUSSIA!!!

You want to rattle sabers, dick measure about life on this fragile little orb.

[cali]

38. one more time

They will or they won't. Our drilling there does nothing to stop them

[cali]

36. how the fuck would we stop them if they did?

Utterly inane and ridiculous post

[Number23]

16. With every minute of every day, DU proves its utter and complete disconnect from reality

This is just one area.

The "incrementalism" OP which is probably the most embarrassing, ignorant thing I've ever seen here, the re-emergence of the paid shills foolishness, and so much manic activity right now just highlights how scary the level of thought and discourse is here. It's just unreal how bizarre this place is now.

I think one of the reasons the president's approval hasn't taken a hit yet is because for all the screaming and braying from certain quarters, the simple fact is most Americans really don't know much about the TPP yet.

[steve2470]

32. +1 nt

[SidDithers]

18. DU rec, for lots of reasons...nt

Sid

[MohRokTah]

19. Obviously, they failed to survey enough members of the DU bubble.

[KamaAina]

23. That would be because most people outside DU have never heard of TPP

the M$M has done an awfully good job not covering it.

edit: Seems Media Matters has noticed that, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026657577

[Rex]

25. .

Nothing more entertaining then when people foam at the mouth!

[cali]

26. gee, maybe the FACT that there's been a dearth of coverage on the tpp

has something to do with this. don't believe me about the media blackout?

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026657577

[madinmaryland]

28. And now he is going to allowing drilling for oil in the Arctic north of Alaska.

[hay rick]

29. Ignorance is bliss.

If they polled "liberal Democrats" who know what TPP is the numbers might be slightly- or profoundly- different. Gallup, Rasmussen, etc. are rapidly overtaking "internet poll" in the credibility derby.

[Cali_Democrat]

30. Liberal Dems are probably the most well-informed voting bloc

...not ignorant by any means.

[hay rick]

33. You can be well-informed on a lot of issues and not know what TPP is.

I don't know what % of self-described liberal Democrats are knowledgeable on TPP. I have noticed that the media isn't in a rush to keep people informed.