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The White House version | |
22 (65%) |
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Seymour Hersh's version | |
12 (35%) |
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daleanime
(17,796 posts)will stop terrorism.
NotoriousRBG
(44 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Last edited Mon May 11, 2015, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)
Bucky
(54,084 posts)A lie and an invasion that spawned, literally, a thousand times more terrorists than OBL ever did by blowing shit up or getting his head ventilated.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)sooner or later.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Until more is known his story doesn't add up. And he has made some wild unsubstantiated claims previously.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,035 posts)Let's ask him.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am anti death penalty.
But if some folks' ugly and murderous deeds end up causing them to lose their lives, I won't waste a second thinking about it or them.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)At least he doesn't have the Seal Team commander demanding Obama just give the order and let them do their job like Freeper tinfoil story.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)low-level bureaucratic source, according to the Hersh fan club.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)than does the WH version. I am CONVINCED that his version is closer to actuality than is the WH version. Ms Bigmack
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)iredoglake.com/2015/05/10/us-establishment-press-dismiss-shrug-off-seymour-hershs-story-on-killing-of-bin-laden/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to register and post.
the term "Firebagger" comes from that site.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's the Alex Jones of the Left.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)when it comes to voters in this country. It's sad.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)You should assume everything posted is wrong.
onenote
(42,769 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)Obama got him, as promised. Bush let him go. That's what I know and that's enough.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)I'm not easily swayed by conspiracy theories.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I'm not prepared to accept their account of ANYTHING on face value.
Further, I learned as a liberal to "ALWAYS QUESTION EVERYTHING".
So I can't really vote in good conscience.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Rev 1, rev 2, rev 3...?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Your poll offers only two responses.
Since I take NOTHING the government says at face value, I cannot respond by voting. My guess is that the truth can be found somewhere in between the government's claims and Hersch's.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Unlike the authoritarians who believe everything issued from government (and later contradictions) without reservation, people who question authority are loath to follow any single source. This poll will be a slam dunk for the former not for the latter.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Why would Bin Laden's death be any different?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)We know that to be a fact so by definition, the White House version is lies lies lies. The scammer's verison might not be right, but the White House version is a lie.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Those who are easily swayed by conspiracy theory and other forms of tinfoilery.
No surprises here...
djean111
(14,255 posts)In this particular case, I don't believe anything. So what? What's the point?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why don't We the People who paid for the operation get to see mission reports or photographs?
How come the body got dumped in the sea?
How come the guy was killed if he was surrounded?
Wouldn't it make sense to put him on trial and show the world what a mass murderer gets?
More importantly, what he knew would be a real boon to the CIA and the rest of the super secret alphabet soup making war on whoever wonders why do the rich keep getting richer off of wars without end?
We'd only gone to war and killed millions of people who had nothing to do with 9-11, so I think the government has a bit of explaining to do.
Hersh, on the other hand, is doing his job.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)We did show the world what a mass murderer gets.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And it was never proven he was a murderer. We have the government's word on it.
Bucky
(54,084 posts)The man bankrolled numerous terrorist plots around the world and owned up to it. It made more sense to shoot bin Laden than, say, invade the wrong fucking country. What's ridiculous is the fact that the Bushies let him walk the earth for an additional 7 years while they played oil-grab a thousand miles away from where OBL was last known to live.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I truly do not care.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)This ain't on it.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)That one is the one I'm going with.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Gothmog
(145,619 posts)This appears to be very shoddy work by Hersh
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We will really not know.
It would not be the first time a WH narrative of an event changes as that material is declassified. But it would not be the first time doubts start to emerge from low level retired folks who had some access either of course in 50 years your kids will give like two shits and j and you will likely be pushing daisies
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Once the nuclear deal was reached, he probably lost his shit.
He hates Obama for not carrying out an attack against Iran which would have validated his crap.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)In fact, it seems rather likely, and I don't recall Democrats criticizing those articles at the time.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)A nuclear deal makes it much harder for even the next admin to attack Iran.
Hersh knows this.
He's pissed.
The time he spent writing bullshit about Iran was all for not.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)EX500rider
(10,872 posts) Contradictory claims. Hersh disregards the fact that two of the Navy Seals involved in the attack on Bin Laden's compound have come out with details of the raid that directly contradict his account. Bergen, who visited the compound after the operation, writes that there was clear evidence of a protracted fire fight, as the location was "littered almost everywhere with broken glass and several areas of it were sprayed with bullet holes".
Unrealistic conclusions. Why would the Saudis support a man who wanted to overthrow the Saudi monarchy? Why, if US support for Pakistan was part of the bargain, did US-Pakistani relations deteriorate in the years after the raid? If the US and Pakistan were co-operating, was a staged raid really the simplest possible way to ensure that Bin Laden was killed?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32698016
As is often the case with conspiracy theories, perhaps the sharpest criticism of Mr Hersh's narrative is that it relies on a large cast of characters operating effectively while maintaining universal secrecy. Vox's Fischer accuses Hersh - who won a Pulitzer in 1970 for exposing the My Lai massacre of Vietnamese civilians at the hands of US soldiers - of producing a growing number of difficult-to-believe exposes based on tenuous evidence.
In the last three years, for example, he has penned pieces alleging the George W Bush administration trained Iranian militants in Nevada and that Turkey was behind chemical weapons attacks in Syria.
"Maybe there really is a vast shadow world of complex and diabolical conspiracies, executed brilliantly by international networks of government masterminds," Fischer writes. "And maybe Hersh and his handful of anonymous former senior officials really are alone in glimpsing this world and its terrifying secrets. Or maybe there's a simpler explanation."
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Why would anyone?
Unvanguard
(4,588 posts)That does not mean that the White House is a full and accurate depiction of events, especially since it's not clear the US government knows everything (e.g., about the degree to which Bin Laden had support from parts of the Pakistani government).