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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMad Libs with Westboro Baptist Chruch!!!! Let's everybody play!
Here's how the game works: Below I have posted three juicy examples of Westboro Baptist 'religious speech' which some DUers claim is 'not provocative nor inciting'. I invite readers to read these quotes then reread them, replacing the words 'sodomites' and 'Jews' and 'fags' with the name of a minority group that you actually respect....see how it sounds to you.
"Filthy sodomites crave legitimacy as dogs eating their own vomit & sows wallowing in their own feces crave unconditional love."
Westboro Baptist Church news release, Jan. 15, 1998
"We told you, right after it happened five years ago, that the deadly events of 9/11 were direct outpourings of divine retribution, the immediate visitation of Gods wrath and vengeance and punishment for Americas horrendous sodomite sins, that worse and more of it was on the way. We further told you that any politician, any political official, any preacher telling you differently as to the cause and interpretation of 9/11 is a dastardly lying false prophet, cowardly and mean, and headed for hell. And taking you with him! God is no longer with America, but is now Americas enemy. God himself is now Americas terrorist."
Fred Phelps, 9/11: Gods Wrath Revealed, Sept. 8, 2006.
"JEWS KILLED JESUS! Yes, the Jews killed the Lord Jesus
Now theyre carrying water for the fags; thats what they do best: sin in Gods face every day, with unprecedented and disproportionate amounts of sodomy, fornication, adultery, abortion and idolatry! God hates these dark-hearted rebellious disobedient Jews."
Westboro Baptist Church news release, April 23, 2009
We lived through this and much worse, brought again and again to our funerals and sanctuaries. This is what has already been done, already demanded of LGBT people and Jewish people for years. To pretend otherwise is a lie.
Next Mad Libs will be a mash up! Rick Warren and Pope Francis, toe to toe with rants about pedophile gays disfiguring God. Sound good?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)But they have the right to say what they want to say, just as I have the right to call them subhuman dogshit.
The First Amendment: if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Not guns and violence. The point is that we are already in it for a pound, this is not new to Geller it is common behavior we've all endured for generations.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)who, we know would ALL slaughter anyone who mocks them, all 1.6 billion of them. We know this because two out of 1.6 billion did it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)In my scenario, it is LGBT culture that is better than religious culture because when attacked by religious hate preachers we respond not with violence but with our well known sense of humor and flair for cultural commentary. We mock them, look good doing it, then win. Other insulted minority groups should consider doing the same, religious or otherwise.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)and I think that respecting others who differ in beliefs from mine is a matter of common decency. But that's just me.
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)We are supposed to "take one for the team" and "wait for our pink ponies." Apparently, provoking us 'ain't nothing but a thang.' It's not even considered as disrespectful as some other acts.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How many times do I have to tell you this?
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Of course, I get mighty confused because then bigots, we're allowed to criticize Christians, most of the time, but others...oh noes, we better not say a damn thing about their hate of gays because...well, you know.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Your group's just not in this year, maybe 2016 will be better?
Oops, nope, it's an election year, you'll be nothing but traction for the bus wheels again.
Kind of like kitty litter in the snow.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Pew Research findings: half muslims worldwide agree blasphemy is punishabe by death.
But hey, it's just two lone shooters, right?
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)Yorktown
(2,884 posts)This having been said, Christianity makes lots of dumb statements.
Especially the creationist strain which is most virulent in the US.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)How many does it take before we can call them "savages" and bomb them into oblivion? BIGOTRY IS BOGOTRY, and it always has the same end. Have I made my point yet?
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Visibly.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)Goodbye!
Protalker
(418 posts)As Pam Geller reminds us, if the savages don't come the first time, have Free Speech events until they do.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)response. They did so for years and in all 50 States. So I don't think you have any point at all.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)resort to violent attacks against these assholes.
Also, hate speech wrapped in dogma is apparently a-ok.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)at the hands of religious clergy have the blind arrogance to claim to oppose denigrating speech toward minorities.
They sure don't like being asked about Westboro. A real conversation stopper.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)No matter how barbaric, ridiculous and hateful they are.
I stand with you, BNW, as an ally, a non-violent mocker and one who will always call bullshit when I see it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of it. This is why well spoken and brave speakers such as yourself are so cherished. You do call 'em as you see 'em and that's the best thing there is.
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Same would happen to gays and women if we decided to "act up." Apparently, we need to stop being so sensitive, but others, not so much.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City in 1968, the JDL's self-described purpose was to protect Jews from local manifestations of antisemitism.[1][5] Its criticism of the Soviet Union increased support for the group, transforming it from a "vigilante club" into an organization with a stated membership numbering over 15,000 at one point.[6] The group took to bombing Arab and Soviet properties in the United States,[7] and targeting various alleged "enemies of the Jewish people", ranging from Arab-American political activists to neo-Nazis, for assassination.[8] A number of JDL members have been linked to violent, and sometimes deadly, attacks in the United States and in other countries, including the murder of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee regional director Alex Odeh in 1985, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in 1994, and a plot to assassinate Congressman Darrell Issa in 2001.[9] The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism's database of identified terrorist organizations, which is compiled by official contractors and consultants to the United States government and is supported by the Department of Homeland Security, identifies the JDL as a "former terrorist organization".[10] The JDL's website states that it rejects terrorism.[11]
According to the Anti-Defamation League, the JDL consists only of "thugs and hooligans".[12] The group's founder, Meir Kahane, "preached a radical form of Jewish nationalism which reflected racism, violence and political extremism,"[1] attitudes that were replicated by Irv Rubin, the successor to Kahane.[13] In 2002, the Southern Poverty Law Center added the Jewish Defense League to its list of watched hate groups for the JDL's "long history of bombing, assaulting and threatening its perceived enemies" such as "the Soviet Union, neo-Nazi activists, Palestinian leaders, prominent black Americans and even Jewish moderates" as well as other Jewish radicals, and stated that the JDL "claims to have 13,000 members, but apparently has a few dozen at best."[4]
In 1994, the JDL's sister movements Kach and Kahane Chai were both outlawed in Israel as terrorist organizations posing a threat to state security; they are also banned in the United States and the European Union.[14] "JDL Canada" remains legal,[15] despite sharing the ideology, goals and identical logo of the banned organization.[16] However, the French branch of the JDL, the Ligue de Défense Juive (LDJ), is not illegal in France.[17] Several JDL members and leaders died violent deaths, including Kahane himself.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)If the JDL had done what was done at the Gellar event, not one person would claimed they were "provoked."
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Uh, the JDL was responsible for bombings and other attacks. How are they different from those ones who tried to shoot up Gellers thing?
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Farrakhan and his ilk, they afraid of the JDL? Is anyone even remotely concerned about offending the beliefs of Jews? It vertainly isn't obvious here.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Nor strictly confined to Muslim extremists...
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)While the Pamela Geller thing didn't really make much of an appearance in the news over here, from what I've read at DU I've worked out that the two who wanted to go on a rampage in the US are pretty closely related to the ones over here that the cops have been shutting down before they get started. Two very recent ones are the 17yr old in Melbourne who was making bombs at home and the group who were getting all ready to attack and behead cops at an ANZAC day service (for those who don't know, it's not a religious service, it was the 100 year anniversary of the landing in Gallipoli and it's a pretty sacred day here). They're all lone wolves and more than likely reacting to the siren call of ISIS to try to fuck shit up by killing innocent people.
On a side-note, Westboro Baptist Church hates me as well, though they hate LGBTs so much they feature heavily in the hate of us. I snickered till I got to the bit about people burning alive and when I realised they were talking about this, I kind of felt a bit sick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires
Don't you stupid Aussies get it? Australia is doomed! Nothing, and nobody, can help you. You have sinned willfully after you have received knowledge of the truth.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)From muslims or anyone else.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Protalker
(418 posts)The ACLU which I was a donor to took up their cause in the SCOTUS which intellectually made sense as they were oppressed minority was fine, but no longer on my dime.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)countless times, they were never met with violence but with more speech. LGBT people did not seek to censor Westboro, we simply made them laughing stocks.
That's the point. Geller is not a new monster. Others facing the same monster made fun of it and frankly had a good time doing so. Those who use violence are responsible for that violence and they are also idiots, because you can't use violence to win in such battles, you have to use your wits.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)use "jews killed Jesus" BS. Um, according to the prophecy, if you are to be forgiven he was supposed to die. So, if the jews killed Jesus, they were doing you a favor.
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)I have seen it used by people claiming to be atheists. Supposedly, it demonstrates the Jews need to control, or some such bullshit.
beam me up scottie
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"They died in shame and disgrace, citizens of a cursed nation of...unholy perverts who have departed from the living God to worship on 'Brokeback Mountain'."
"When God wants your attention, He knows how to get it. @WBCSays warned you that if you refuse to repent of your many whoredoms Dutch, Malaysians, Aussies, Indonesians, Germans, et al. YOU WILL PERISH!"
We will be there to tell you to Thank God for the death of this filthy, adulterous, idolatrous, gender-confused, nationality-confused, unthankful brute beast.
I think the absolute worse thing they do is have little kids carry their signs.
Kids aren't born bigots, that kind of hatred has to be taught.
JI7
(89,252 posts)as this is targeted at specific people.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)People choose to believe their deity is being dissed while sexual orientation is not a choice.
Lgbt people are considered abominations from the moment they're born.