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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:01 PM May 2015

The Treachery of Images: This is Not a Pipe by Rene Magritte

“Art is life under new management...”
--Simon Schama

La Trahison des Images. Ceci n’est pas une pipe. 1929. The Los Angeles County Museum of Art.
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Is Magritte’s subversion of the normal what we experience every day in our daily lives? Are we confronted in the most ordinary circumstances with mysteries, either in our common language or our every day things? It is the conundrum I “think” that Rene Magritte poses with his prodigious artistic output from the 1920s until his death in 1967. This is an early work, recalling advertising which is what the artist did when he was starting out in his career.

Surrealism was a reaction to the Rationalism that was blamed for leading to the conflagration of World War I and coincided with the rising influence of Freudian psychology on the way people interpreted life. The Surrealists sought to join dreams and fantasy and play them out in art and literary themes. Magritte is a Surrealist you can treasure, if, like me, you cannot bear the pomposity and relentless self promotion of Salvador Dali (whose art eludes some of us or that we just cannot like). Magritte’s tidy persona underplays and understates, then his punch lands on you...

The artist is telling us that what we see or think we see may not be the reality of what is there. He wants to set up paradox in our minds. Of course, we know it is not a real pipe. Magritte himself declared he “couldn’t smoke it.” We are in Plato’s cave looking at the play of shadows on the wall...or, perhaps, through the looking-glass like Alice.

All is fine and good but then Magritte turns around and offers us this

This is a Piece of Cheese. 1936/37. The Menil Collection. Houston.
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Aha! Gotcha! This was a set up all along!

The slice of brie is in a picture frame (or on a cheese tray?) which is within a glass serving dome, on a little pedestal resting on a white surface, several degrees of separation from our presumed view...it does not even depart from its grounded reality and exist in space like the pipe does. But of course, neither object is what it is made to represent.

Magritte claimed there was no meaning “behind the picture," or outside of the image in his art. British art critic David Sylvester has concluded that "Magritte wanted his pictures to be looked at, not looked into, wanted their mystery to be confronted, not interpreted, seeing it as the revelation of a mystery latent in all things...”

His precious banality becomes our handsome artifact of another era. But his work, viewed in terms of its historical significance, is a harbinger of upcoming trends in art for its emphasis on concept over execution. Without Magritte we most certainly would not have Warhol, Lichtenstein or Johns or any of what became Pop Art. So Magritte becomes invaluable. He seems to be there with his sneaky humor and persistent tension always lurking on our reality, or what we think is our reality.

Magritte always wants to play with our head: the treachery of the commonplace in the midst of bowler-hatted men in ordinary dark overcoats and sensible shoes primly carrying an umbrella. And sometimes there are many of them, crowded together, looking at us just outside of our open window or simply raining down on the town or, ominously, as assassins at a crime scene. Or just a suit and hat empty of any wearer. You never know, he says, what you’ll find as you go about your most ordinary day. You could end up with a large green apple on your face.

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The Treachery of Images: This is Not a Pipe by Rene Magritte (Original Post) CTyankee May 2015 OP
Ceci n'est pas un pape gratuitous May 2015 #1
Good one! CTyankee May 2015 #2
You know how tough it is to find the right context for that gag? gratuitous May 2015 #3
I know you worked hard on it...LOL... CTyankee May 2015 #7
Ceci n'est pas une pipe nucléaire tridim May 2015 #4
Magritte would have loved the irony of that one! CTyankee May 2015 #5
THAT is a highbrow gag. hifiguy May 2015 #9
sometimes I think we're all surrealists here on DU... CTyankee May 2015 #10
Well-spotted, that Hekate May 2015 #30
The real world might only be explained by surreal art. Octafish May 2015 #6
You can see a real progression of this concept when you look at Pop Art retrospectively... CTyankee May 2015 #8
Absolutely. Octafish May 2015 #11
Wow. I have had a very strange thing happen to me with one of Van Gogh's Crows in wheat fields... CTyankee May 2015 #15
That is the Feeling. Octafish May 2015 #41
I am still, albeit only partially, Borges. ananda May 2015 #20
Sea of Joy. Octafish May 2015 #40
Isn't photoreal produced using high resolution projection technology? RadiationTherapy May 2015 #14
I have no idea on the technology employed. I am more concerned with the esthetics... CTyankee May 2015 #16
Reality is stranger than art seveneyes May 2015 #12
I love Escher! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #28
Ceci n'est pas une prophet. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #13
Kind of a cop out... CTyankee May 2015 #17
Hell, yeah. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #18
I wonder if Magritte would say we have become the media represenation of what we CTyankee May 2015 #19
I don't know about Magritte, but that is a fascinating concept. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #22
The Human Condition I ananda May 2015 #23
A beautiful comment and an intriguing image. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #24
My pleasure. ananda May 2015 #25
Runner-up in reason.com's 2010 Draw Mohammad contest was: muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #35
Hahaha. i love it. That is really clever. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #42
I am looking. pangaia May 2015 #21
well, I am researching Warhol now for an upcoming essay and hopefully will soon get CTyankee May 2015 #32
I definitely look forward to reading your thoughts on Warhol. pangaia May 2015 #36
I guess they are, "with a twist." CTyankee May 2015 #37
Now that is a true Escher scenario. pangaia May 2015 #39
Oh good awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #44
This painting is especially meaningful to me CrawlingChaos May 2015 #26
Magritte is Dobbs Approved! blogslut May 2015 #27
Like the Subgeniuses say hifiguy May 2015 #46
Ah! This one I know fairly well. longship May 2015 #29
That was a great book. Changed my way of thinking. CBGLuthier May 2015 #33
Once again, a lovely diversion. Thank you. Hekate May 2015 #31
Aw, man...How can you not like Dali? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #34
I think it was his exposure when I was a kid. He was always on TV and seemed to be CTyankee May 2015 #38
"if the lobster phone rings, don't answer it: I'm not here!" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #45
or reprobates who did very bad things...Bernini sent his assistant to slash the face of his CTyankee May 2015 #47
I like Dali a lot, and recently came across Kay Sage, who I think petronius May 2015 #43
I see Dali, I think "Bosch did it better." malthaussen May 2015 #48
I like Bosch, too. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #50
some Magritte works echo Bosch to me... CTyankee May 2015 #51
Magritte was great, very iconic. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #54
I like that right off the bat...intriguing concept...I like the replication of the arches... CTyankee May 2015 #56
k&r Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #49
The Four Stages of Enlightenment malthaussen May 2015 #52
excellent! CTyankee May 2015 #53
It's sort of an echo of Samuel Johnson, malthaussen May 2015 #55
Ha! "I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it!" (New Yorker cartoon)... CTyankee May 2015 #57
I remember it! malthaussen May 2015 #58
That makes us pretty old... CTyankee May 2015 #59
K & R Coventina May 2015 #60
I like Dali's paints, but not very the artist... syringis Apr 2018 #61
I never cared for Dali's surrealist works...Magritte was more my cup of tea... CTyankee Apr 2018 #62

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. You can see a real progression of this concept when you look at Pop Art retrospectively...
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:46 PM
May 2015

art is always in the context of its time. Magritte's waking dreamscapes were heavily influenced by Freud. I look at photorealism and ponder what it is trying to say to us and I don't have a clear understanding. A future art historian will no doubt sort it out in no time!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Absolutely.
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:19 PM
May 2015

Zen and Heisenberg tell us:

Things are what they appear to be.

Until observed, when they change.

Then, things are new things.

And we've become something else.




My favorite work of art is by Max Ernst. Decades ago, it was on a wall, just around the door to the impressionist gallery at the Art Institute of Chicago. I think it's oil on glass, about 4-by-8 inches. I wanted to take it down and put it in my pocket, it was so beautiful. The piece was placed in a small case, hanging on a wall at eye level. It was a view to another universe and I stared for an hour. To me, the thing is Borges' Zahir. I went back a few years ago, they've moved the piece into a big glass case with some disjointed sculptings, down a dead-end sideway on the third level. Not knowing its name, no one knew about it when I asked to see the piece. No problem, though, I found it and stared at the thing until my friends came for me.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. Wow. I have had a very strange thing happen to me with one of Van Gogh's Crows in wheat fields...
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

I broke down in tears. It was in the Van Gogh Museum after an art intensive in the Netherlands. I think it is because I had a wonderful art study of Dutch art. Wow, what a great trip that was...overwhelmingly fabulous...

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. That is the Feeling.
Sat May 9, 2015, 10:39 AM
May 2015

We have four Van Goghs at the Detroit Institute of Arts. Both portraits make me cry every time I stand before them.

http://www.dia.org/search.aspx?search=Van+Gogh&show=collection#collection

It's everything about the works. The strokes that show how much feeling the artist put on to the canvas. Their sheer beauty, from the colors to the subjects. Perhaps most of all the knowledge that the artist suffered rejection most of his life, even though the figures in his art show the direct spiritual connection between all people.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
14. Isn't photoreal produced using high resolution projection technology?
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:54 PM
May 2015

Maybe there is a statement in that it is a product of electronic light projection of a digital imitation of a subject rather than of a live model.

I love your art posts. Please do them forever.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. I wonder if Magritte would say we have become the media represenation of what we
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:43 PM
May 2015

we fixate upon....his folks were Surrealists after all...

ananda

(28,866 posts)
23. The Human Condition I
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:21 PM
May 2015

Mental walls can be breached so that new worlds can grow.

We might also find that the world is as much a window to art as art a window to the world, as Magritte did in his marvelous painting The Human Condition I, which is a print on my living room wall by the way.

ananda

(28,866 posts)
25. My pleasure.
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:17 PM
May 2015

I literally grew my art wings looking at Magritte all around me during my college days when Dominique de Menil ran the Art History department and original Magrittes hung on the admin walls.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
21. I am looking.
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:51 PM
May 2015

As you may expect, Magritte is new to me.
Now here is the thing; I spent so many years playing "avant-garde' music, so many many pieces, most of which, of course, well never be heard again, and some of which have become sort of 'standard repertoire,' And everything in between. And playing at a very high level with very, very good musicians, all over the world....I gained the experience to at least feel confident in having a rather good professional opinion, above and beyond what I 'liked.'

But, here, and with so much surrealism, I rarely can get beyond the intellectual. I do accept that this is my short coming. I saw the same in a lot of music; music, of course, that few people know.

But with your involvement, your knowledge and your looking into things, that DOES tweak my interest to pursue another step.

I also have always had a problem with soup cans, especially with water lilies just a few steps away. That says something about me, and not soup cans.

I must be getting old...

Thank you again for a very thought-provoking art history lesson.. I am going the next step with Rene Magritte.



CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. well, I am researching Warhol now for an upcoming essay and hopefully will soon get
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:21 AM
May 2015

to MoMA for a new show displaying his soup cans. It was just reviewed yesterday in the NYT and very much liked by the reviewer. Warhol was a philosopher...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. I definitely look forward to reading your thoughts on Warhol.
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:08 AM
May 2015

Good point about him being a philosopher.
Are not all/most artists also 'philosophers?' Or perhaps 'psychologists?'

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. I guess they are, "with a twist."
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

I'm deep in a book about Warhol by the late Arthur Danto, who was a professor of philosophy at Columbia. He takes up the question, which is central to my forthcoming essay, about the difference between Warhol's soup cans or Brillo boxes and the products you buy at the supermarket. IOW, what makes one art and the other not art, altho Warhol was sued by the man who designed the then Campbell soup label (himself a struggling Abstract Expressionist artist) for stealing his design. Play that one out in your mind...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
39. Now that is a true Escher scenario.
Sat May 9, 2015, 10:13 AM
May 2015


It is true, is art what we see? Is what we 'see' in the world really what we think it is?
How difficult it is to truly see ourselves as we really are; not just how others see us, that is difficult enough. But how we really are.

So one question for myself is, why would I prefer to have a Rothko, or Kline, or a Hiroshige hanging in my home rather than....whatever else?

Why would I prefer to play John Cage's Credo In Us, or the Third Construction, or the Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano rather than.. ?

Interesting.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
26. This painting is especially meaningful to me
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:26 PM
May 2015

As a young and super-angsty teenager first discovering fine art, this painting, in particular, had a profound effect on me. I remember staring at it regularly for long minutes, whereupon I pondered the question of what really is art, in it's essence - what is it's purpose, and what is illusion. Heavy thoughts for my young brain at the time.

And I've been making surrealist art ever since. I've always been drawn to surrealism - I love the macabre and absurd aspects of it. I especially love Yves Tanguy and Max Ernst (but so many more, of course). In a very real way, these paintings saved me at a dark time in my life. Art, I've found, can be a kind of salvation. I like to think it saved me from a life of crime. So far.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. Ah! This one I know fairly well.
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:27 AM
May 2015

Thanks to Douglas Hofstadter. Magritte is featured in his Pulitzer winning first book Gödel, Escher, Bach (GEB), a book which is an amazing adventure for ones brain. He introduces René Magritte late in the book when he is discussing reference frames. I've read the book multiple times and go back to it fairly regularly on a quiet day.

I particularly like Mental Arithmetic which is how I see GEB.


And The Fair Captive which is downright bizarre:


My best to you CTyankee.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. Aw, man...How can you not like Dali?
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:18 AM
May 2015

I mean, he was out of his ever-lovin' gourd, no question- but he did some amazing work.



CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
38. I think it was his exposure when I was a kid. He was always on TV and seemed to be
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:46 AM
May 2015

preening. So full of himself. I guess that jaded me forever when it came to his art.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
45. "if the lobster phone rings, don't answer it: I'm not here!"
Sat May 9, 2015, 04:21 PM
May 2015

I hear you- he seems like someone it would have been awful to be stuck, say, in a cab with for an hour.

But, then, a lot of very talented artists had some fairly severe personality defects, or worse, cough Picasso cough

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
47. or reprobates who did very bad things...Bernini sent his assistant to slash the face of his
Sat May 9, 2015, 04:43 PM
May 2015

mistress, Costanza, who was cheating on him with his brother. I did an essay here a while back http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024902041

There are stories of excruciatingly awful things many artists did over the course of their careers.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
43. I like Dali a lot, and recently came across Kay Sage, who I think
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:20 PM
May 2015

has some Dali-like elements:


In the Third Sleep, 1944

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
48. I see Dali, I think "Bosch did it better."
Sat May 9, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

But please remember, I'm a philistine. The two Brueghels get an honorable mention, too.

-- Mal

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. Magritte was great, very iconic.
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:00 PM
May 2015

Not just the guy with the apple for the head, the train coming out of the fireplace sticks in my head, too.


Someone current who does work that vaguely reminds me of Magritte is Rob Gonsalves-

some might argue his stuff is too trite or "cute", but I like the way he manipulates images, negative space, etc.




CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. I like that right off the bat...intriguing concept...I like the replication of the arches...
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:07 PM
May 2015

one concept I did not include in this essay was that of "liminal space" which is the space between your old comfort zone and any possible new answer. I've studied it with regard to the poem "Ode to a Nightingale" by Keats who is in a stupor listening to that bird's song. Gotta love the Romantic English poets...

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
52. The Four Stages of Enlightenment
Sat May 9, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

(This has nothing to do with art. Nothing, I say!)

The Master said: place your hand into the stream, young one, and tell me: does your hand part the water, or does the water flow around your hand?

The First Stage: "My hand divides the water."
The Second Stage: "The waters encompass my hand."
The Third Stage: "Both hand and water are illusion. Strive to reject Maya and see to the heart of things."
The Fourth Stage: "My hand is wet."

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
55. It's sort of an echo of Samuel Johnson,
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:02 PM
May 2015

Who, when asked by Boswell how he refuted Bishop Berkeley's Treatise, kicked a stone in his path and replied "I refute it thus!"

-- Mal

syringis

(5,101 posts)
61. I like Dali's paints, but not very the artist...
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 04:35 PM
Apr 2018

Magritte was a gifted artist. He was original, audacious and had a deep and complex thought.

I live very close to the house where he grew up in Chatetet (about 3 or 4 miles or so).

Now, it is one of the museums dedicated to Magritte.





CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
62. I never cared for Dali's surrealist works...Magritte was more my cup of tea...
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

I saw "this is not a pipe" at LACMA several years ago. I really liked it. It's a smallish work but IMO it is wonderful.

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