What's the biggest difference between Hillary and Bernie?

[kentuck]

Personally, I think it is money.

Hillary is more connected to Wall Street and the Big Banks than is Bernie. Also, as a former Secretary of State, I think Hillary might be somewhat more hawkish on wars in the Middle East.

What do you see as the major difference?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Money was my first thought too, my dear kentuck!

And that is certainly a big part of it.

Wars too. Wall Street etc also.

I think Bernie is more people oriented, as in what's best for us? Hillary cares way more for the 1%.

Those are where the differences lie, for me.

[upaloopa]

5. Money and the 1%? You write a very abbreviated

critique of Hillary's public life.
She deserves much better.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. I was answering kentuck's question about the differences between the two.

My intent was just that.

I was not writing Hillary's bio. Really.

[L0oniX]

14. Deserves??? We don't owe her anything. She's filthy rich.

[pokerfan]

24. Yep

I know which side I'm more closely aligned with.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

35. Thanks for this graph, my dear pokerfan!

It's very detailed and informative.

I too know which side I'm more closely aligned with.

[AuntPatsy]

2. gender

[Maedhros]

11. Perhaps, but largely irrelevant.[n/t]

[BainsBane]

56. It is not irrelevant

at all. It is reflected in many of her positions and past experience fighting problems like human trafficking, which most people around here have no interest in. It's irrelevant to you because those issues don't affect your life, but your experiences and concerns are not universal.

[Maedhros]

69. Those issues affect my life every bit as much as yours.

I think it's a bit uncharitable to claim that most people on DU are unconcerned about human trafficking.

I guess gender is important if one wants it to be.

[cali]

12. ideas over gender. Much as I'd like to see a woman President

that is not the most important thing to me.

[AuntPatsy]

32. I was kind of being off handed in my reply, knowing it was not the answer wanted but in

Some perverse way I can't help but feel that it's way past time...

[misterhighwasted]

15. The clear winner. Gender.

[winter is coming]

27. Way down at the bottom of my list of things to consider. n/t

[AuntPatsy]

31. Sarcasm...

[HappyMe]

55. Irrelevant.

Not a reason to vote for a person. I prefer ideas.

[marym625]

3. money, war

And Hillary seems to change her views based on polls

[Gregorian]

4. Commercial/noncommercial

[REP]

7. Their supporters

Sorry misread the question. That's what they have in common.

[NCTraveler]

61. +1 nt.

[hifiguy]

8. The O'Jays know

HRC is far, far too close to the banksters. Not surprising, they own her lock stock and barrel.

[cali]

9. She's not somewhat more hawkish. she's FAR more hawkish.

He voted against both Iraq Wars. She voted for the IWR and advocated for intervention in Syria, was pro bomb bomb bomb Libya.

Let's see: she voted for the Patriot Act. He voted against it.

But for me the real sticking point with HRC is that I don't trust her to honest, and that she "evolves" on issue after issue after issue- from criminal justice to immigration to marriage equality, etc.

[magical thyme]

10. key differences: $$$$, WAR.

Also, Bernie is unequivocally against TPA and TPP.

Hillary has come out against the ISDS chapter of TPP, but to my knowlege not specifically against TPA or TPP.

[polichick]

13. Just like differences here, one believes in gov't of, by and for the people...

and the other accepts that corporations/Wall Street will continue to greatly influence policy.

[bigwillq]

16. To me, Hillary represents more of the same

that's been coming out of DC for years. To me, she's not a "fresh" candidate. She's a "been there, done that" candidate. I'm over the Clintons, never liked them to begin with.

Bernie, and not necessarily him personally, but his ideas, and his approach, and his passion for taking on Wall St and Big Business, and how he seemingly fights for the middle class and the poor, is refreshing. He says the things that need to be said.

I like candidates like Bernie. I think we need more of them.

[DanTex]

17. The biggest is that Hillary can win and Bernie can't.

The second biggest is that Bernie is more economically liberal than Hillary. But in the grand scheme of things, that's not such a big deal, because in either case, the president's policies are going to be greatly reduced by congress, so the outcome won't be so much different.

[OLDMADAM]

18. Integrity..

[CharlotteVale]

19. ITA - money. As in Hillary does the bidding of those with money.

And has no compunction about throwing those without it under the bus. Remember the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2001 that she was behind?

[olddots]

20. Hillary has a sharp lawyers instincts

She is trained to win for her client which is great if you are her client .

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

21. I think this

People = Labor, seniors, students, middle class, poor

[Fumesucker]

22. Sincerity

Bernie says what he thinks.

Hillary says what she thinks voters want to hear.

[winter is coming]

28. ^^ This. n/t

[mmonk]

23. I think you have got it.

Our corporate lords. Both issues are created by them. Only people not blinded by party and thus defined by label know it.

[peacebird]

25. Integrity. Honesty. Power of convictions. Bernie has these, Hillary doesn't.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

26. Bernie and Hillary are both leaps and bounds superior in every way to every con.

Do they have differences?

I sure hope so.

[MohRokTah]

29. Biggest difference is Hillary can win and there is no way possible for Bernie to win. eom

[MaggieD]

33. Took the words right out of my mouth!

That is definitely the biggest difference in my book.

[BrotherIvan]

36. i.e. MONEY

[kentuck]

38. The ultimate pragmatism.

Amidst the shreds of idealism.

[Hoyt]

54. Yep. Clinton would do well to pursue many of Sanders' visions, but he can't win as Prez.

There might be other places for him.

[HappyMe]

58. Who would Democrats vote for if he won the nomination?

[Hoyt]

65. If he wins, I'd vote for him. But it's not going to happen. Sorry.

[MohRokTah]

64. I think he's great where he is.

He's the Lion of the Senate, IMO.

[Hoyt]

66. I'm cool with that, but there might be a cabinet position or something too.

Rather than a US Trade Rep, we need a US Transition to Denmark Rep.

[99Forever]

30. Honesty. n/t

[leveymg]

34. Within 12 months of her election, we will be at war with Iran.

That's what's at stake. If it's not her, it will be the GOP neocon who does it.

Ready for Hillary's wars?

[Maedhros]

71. Can we really say that Hillary wants war with Iran?

She was certainly giddy over our destruction of Libya, but I haven't seen her posturing toward attacking Iran.

[leveymg]

75. She takes hard-line positions that make it all but inevitable.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/hillary-clinton-bibis-no-enrichment-demand-is-not-an-unrealistic-position/386635/

Hillary Clinton has stayed silent on the controversy surrounding Benjamin Netanyahu's appearance before Congress, but she has not always been silent on the key issues facing the Obama Administration's Iran nuclear negotiators. Last August, when I interviewed her on various foreign policy matters, she took a hard line on Iran and its ambitions. When I asked her, for instance, whether the Israeli (and Arab) desire to see Iran denied any uranium enrichment capability was unrealistic, she answered, "It’s not an unrealistic position. I think it’s important that they stake out that position." She argued that she herself believes that Iran possesses no "right" to enrich.

So when Benjamin Netanyahu stakes out this exact position in his speech today to Congress, keep in mind that that a Democrat who might be the next president doesn't, in fact, see eye-to-eye with President Obama on this crucial issue.

[Maedhros]

79. Good point.

Much would depend on who she appoints as Secretaries of State and Defense (and Energy, I suppose).

[BrotherIvan]

37. Money

Only Hillary can win = money

And in fact, in every interchange I've had so far with Hillary supporters, that is the answer that it always comes down to.

[kentuck]

39. Money-wise...

The Clintons are the only ones that can compete with the likes of the Koch Bros and Stanley Adelson.

[BrotherIvan]

40. It's true

And to think that is the only way to choose our representatives, why have the populous vote at all? Why not choose the winner by who gets the most money? It would save us a whole lot of time and energy.

But what does "compete against the Koch Bros" really mean? Not all Koch candidates win.

[kentuck]

43. That's true also.

Heaven forbid if we surrender up all hope and idealism to the idea that big money cannot be defeated.

[BrotherIvan]

45. I just keep in mind that the poll that shows the pro-money people on DU

Are but a tiny, tiny fraction. And if one more person says that only the candidate that (fucking) Republicans will vote for can win, I'm gonna blow my stack.

[Maedhros]

72. It's a deep, internalized defeatism that infects the Democratic Party.

"Liberal ideas cant win at the ballot box, so we must elect candidates with conservative ideas."

So many believe the lie they've been sold by the Republican media machine.

[hootinholler]

41. Consistency

[mother earth]

42. Money & the corporate influence it is buying...but the biggest factor is with Bernie, it is not

rhetoric or pandering...it is truth in representation & that man's honesty is what makes all the difference in the world.

Money's influence is a major factor in this election. It cannot be dismissed away as slight or of no consequence. Oligarchy is not democracy.

[Township75]

44. Hillary benefits a great deal from controlled environments, Sanders doesn't need them.

Sanders is more pro gun rights.

Hillary is more pro bank.

Hillary is a woman and Sanders is a man...likely the biggest difference.

i heard that when Sanders takes a dump in the congressional restrooms, no one can go in there for at least an hour afterwards...I think for Hillary it was more like 15 minutes.

[TerrapinFlyer]

46. Money

And sadly it takes money to win. If Bernie can't round up millions, then he will lose.

It doesn't matter if you don't agree with the system we currently have, it is what it is. You can't change this fact before the next election cycle.

It really bothers me how unrealistic many DUers are when it comes to understanding how elections work.

[kentuck]

48. And what does this money buy ??

I can't figure it out?

[KoKo]

47. Their lack of connection to the Middle Class and Poor...

Bill and Hillary's advocacy of DLC/NeoLib Deregulation policies began their detachment with real life in America.

I think they THINK that they are aware, but having the money they have, the fame and circles they run in Globally has left them out of touch with what has gone on out in America. They travel in private jets, stay in the best of hotels or in the homes if the wealthy and powerful and while they have compassion for those in other countries who are poor, they don't seem to focus their foundation on poverty in America. Why is that? Is it because they truly feel that Clinton Administration did great things for America and that if people are still poor its their own fault? Or, is it that there is more gratification in trying to address the needs of those in other countries because that's what concerns the Powerful People they run with who have great interests in those countries for their corporations or business deals.

I was a huge Clinton supporter when he ran. I thought the DLC would help Democratis win once again. I didn't realize how those DLC policies would lead us down the road we are on today. Maybe Bill & Hillary would disavow their DLC Policies if they have noticed. But, I think they are too embedded with the people who profited from those policies (and those of the Repub Wealthy) to even notice these days.

[liberal_at_heart]

50. I agree. Most DC politicians start out with good intentions, but then they live in this

money bubble for decades and it changes them. They no longer understand the problems that the working poor have. How can they help when they don't understand the problem? Bernie hasn't lived inside that money bubble. He is not a multi-millionaire. He can still see what the average American has to go through and sees and understands how unfair things are for the working poor right now. Makes me wonder how the Kennedys did it. They were rich but there was always an understanding in that family that you continue to fight for the average worker, for the unions. It's too bad the Clintons couldn't keep that kind of Kennedy legacy going.

[Hiraeth]

49. Hillary is a shrewd, consumate politician whereas, Bernie is a true statesman for our time.

[NCTraveler]

51. To this point.

It looks like name recognition is the biggest difference. As Sanders gains in name recognition, the money will come in more. I am also not that educate on Sanders foreign policy. One of the reasons I am excited to learn more about him. Overall, I think they hold very similar positions on many issues.

It's not that Hillary is more connected o Wall Street and the Big Banks(she is, not denying that). I think that is somewhat unfair framing. She is simply more connected in every aspect than Sanders. That will change quickly depending on the team he surrounds himself with and if at any point it appears he is a viable candidate.

[HappyMe]

52. Bernie has integrity and consistency as far as the issues go.

Hillary has big money and will owe those big money people.

[Angry Dragon]

53. The Truth

[True Blue Door]

57. Decency.

[Rex]

59. Their primary backers?

Bernie;
Communications Workers of America $16,000 $0 $16,000
UNITE HERE $15,000 $0 $15,000
National Education Assn $11,400 $400 $11,000
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $11,000 $0 $11,000
Service Employees International Union $11,000 $3,000 $8,000


HRC;
Citigroup Inc $266,160 $260,160 $6,000
Goldman Sachs $234,670 $224,670 $10,000
MetLife Inc $155,860 $148,360 $7,500
Time Warner $154,240 $139,240 $15,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $152,015 $144,515 $7,500

[KamaAina]

60. Bernie is not a member of the C Street "Family".

[Purveyor]

62. Bernie is electable, Hillary is not. eom

[Maedhros]

73. Hillary is eminently electable. That's what concerns me.

I think that, as President, she will continue the abysmal foreign policies of Bush and Obama.

[BainsBane]

63. There are many differences

but the only one that seems to matter is that the in crowd has decided that Sanders is perfection personified and Clinton the embodiment of all evil. Clinton must be trashed while absolutely no criticism of any of Sanders positions is acceptable, to the point where gun control and opposition to Israeli occupation of Palestine have been declared minor, a distraction, and not progressive. A former Klansman is held up to attack Clinton, and we learn that the KKK is now more respected among some than a Democratic candidate. Pointing out the Klan has an ugly history is called a sign of "desperation."
All semblance of principle has been disbanded in the name of political expediency to promote a cult of personality that people ironically claim to be based on some pure version of liberalism, yet they invoke any and every right wing meme and character they come across to attack their enemies. Like much in American politics it is tribalism, where the only thing that matters is promoting their own group and elevating one of their own to power while hostilely excluding the rest. Hence even in the homogeneous environment, both demographically and in terms of ideas, dissenters are labeled Third Way for daring to question tactics, even while supporting the same presidential candidate. It bears no relationship to the Democratic voting base, but then that doesn't matter. What matters is people not be exposed to people or ideas they think inferior. Meanwhile, the rest of the country will proceed with an election, while people here will continue to delude themselves into believing their exclusive little community reflects the broader population, when it has been purposefully constituted to be as far removed from that population as possible.

[kentuck]

68. I don't think that is a complete or honest summation.

Bernie is not perfect but he is sincere. He knows what he believes without sticking his finger in the air.

Also, his supporters are issues-oriented moreso than personality. Most believe he speaks truth to the most important issues facing our country. Yes, Hillary voted for the Iraq War Resolution but that is not her biggest sin, in the eyes of many. It is that she is wed to the big money and the corporate takeover of the Democratic Party. That is what is unacceptable.

[hrmjustin]

67. I think Hillary is ready to be president.

[Rex]

70. She was ready to be president in 2008.

IMO, when all is said and done, she will be the primary contender.

[Lyric]

74. Idealism vs. Realism nt

[cantbeserious]

76. HRC Represents American Oligarchs Plain And Simple

eom

[Donald Ian Rankin]

77. Electability.

She has some, he doesn't have any.

[beachbum bob]

78. hillary can win the 2016 election and bernie can't

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. One's a Socialist the other is a Neo-lib.