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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:04 PM May 2015

Why Pam Geller's Muslim-baiting stunt in Garland was a big fat flop

http://theweek.com/articles/553755/why-pam-gellers-muslimbaiting-stunt-garland-big-fat-flop

Why Pam Geller's Muslim-baiting stunt in Garland was a big fat flop
Peter Weber
May 7, 2015

It is unseemly to speak ill of the dead, but Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi were useful idiots.

The two men — who drove to Garland, Texas, from their apartment in Phoenix to shoot up a contest where the $10,000 prize went to a cartoonist deemed to have drawn the best mocking picture of Islam's Prophet Mohammed — were the only Muslims who rose to the provocation of Pamela Geller and her organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative.

Geller is trumpeting Sunday's foiled attack as a victory for herself, and "truth and freedom." It was neither. It was a victory for the Garland police force, and especially for the unidentified traffic cop who heroically shot dead two heavily armed, well-armored gunmen with a .45 caliber Glock pistol. For Geller's group, the event was a flop.

The only reason to rent a giant convention center for a cartoon-drawing contest is publicity. If the subject of the contest is an image deemed blasphemous by large segments of a major world religion, well then you can add provocation to the list of motives. That fits with Geller: Muslim-baiting and publicity-chasing are sort of her things.

The Dallas area's sizable Muslim community reacted using the same strategy my mother advises when confronted with inflammatory idiocy: They ignored her. There were no protesters outside Garland's Curtis Culwell Center, no angry op-eds, no griping to the national news media, no trying to tap into the well-oiled outrage machine. Nobody outside of the Dallas Metroplex would have ever heard of the contest if not for Simpson, 31, and Soofi, 34.
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Why Pam Geller's Muslim-baiting stunt in Garland was a big fat flop (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 OP
Ignored by all except the Hate Kooks dem in texas May 2015 #1
She's got a base and some are quite rich. cbayer May 2015 #2
I wish it were a flop, but I tend to think it was a big win for her. cbayer May 2015 #3
/\ /\ yep dembotoz May 2015 #4
Unfortunately, she has the likes of Fox News working for her. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #8
And Breitbart. They have a huge article about how victimized she isi cbayer May 2015 #9
"Free speech for me, but not for thee." nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #10
I think she's going to have a difficult time finding a venue.. frylock May 2015 #18
That's a double edged sword. cbayer May 2015 #21
I support her right to hold these events, preferably in the desert or on an island far away. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #22
Oh yeah. That's the ticket. cbayer May 2015 #23
She is planning her second cartoon event JanetLovesObama May 2015 #5
My bet is that she will do it somewhere like Garland where there is cbayer May 2015 #11
She might have a more difficult time finding a facility willing to give her space in the future. tanyev May 2015 #16
Who is going to assume the liability in allowing her to host another event? frylock May 2015 #19
I wish Peter Weber would say that to the face of the officer who was shot in the ankle 951-Riverside May 2015 #6
Basically everything in this article is wrong oberliner May 2015 #7
You and you facts are annoying. Bonx May 2015 #15
Next time, have her stand outside the entrance instead of the wounded security guard JPZenger May 2015 #12
Sorry, FAIL. Calling "blasphemy" provocation is a load of you-know-what. Coventina May 2015 #13
"And Simpson and Soofi were not useful idiots, they were attempted murderers." Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #17
OK, point taken on that. I would certainly consider them murderous idiots. Coventina May 2015 #24
Not for Pam. She and similar bigots are getting a lot of coverage from the MSM. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #14
k&r... spanone May 2015 #20

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
1. Ignored by all except the Hate Kooks
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

Geller's big show was only attended by 200 people. I saw a man who was an attendee on TV and he said he'd driven down from Oklahoma. So it was attended by 200 pitiful hate-filled people and two want-a-be terrorists from Arizona. The show was ignored by 99.99999% of the several million who live in the DFW area.

What I would like to know is who is paying Geller's bills. A lot of money was spent to put on this show for such pitiful turnout. Where is the money coming from to support her group?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. She's got a base and some are quite rich.
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:42 PM
May 2015

Part of her anti-islamic campaign revolves around her pro-israel sentiments and there is evidence that much of her funding comes from pro-israel groups.

In addition, at some point she got a $4 million dollar divorce settlement and an additional $5 million from an insurance policy when her ex-husband died sometime later.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. I wish it were a flop, but I tend to think it was a big win for her.
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:45 PM
May 2015

She got lots of publicity. She provided evidence that the US is at risk from islamic jihad which furthers her calls for war. Although I think her 1st amendment claims are entirely bogus, she got lots of support from people across the political spectrum.

I predict her donations will increase and her speaking engagements and events like this will increase.

She's a domestic terrorist, imo.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
8. Unfortunately, she has the likes of Fox News working for her.
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:40 PM
May 2015

More than eager to paint her as a victim of violence and a First Amendment hero.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. And Breitbart. They have a huge article about how victimized she isi
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:44 PM
May 2015

and how shamefully she is being treated by the media. Pure garbage, but it's getting lots and lots of attention.

The First Amendment hero worship is particularly sickening. There are few people in the country who care less about the first amendment than Ms. Geller. She only cares about her speech and wants to silence others.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
18. I think she's going to have a difficult time finding a venue..
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

willing to assume the liability associated with allowing her to host an event.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
21. That's a double edged sword.
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:21 PM
May 2015

Yesterday I said essentially the same thing and thought that was a good thing.

Then someone pointed out that that would be letting the extremists win, and that's a good point.

Much as I despise her, I do support her right to hold these kinds of events.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
22. I support her right to hold these events, preferably in the desert or on an island far away.
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

There, she and ISIS can go fight like cats and dogs until the day is done and leave us normal folk alone.

 

JanetLovesObama

(548 posts)
5. She is planning her second cartoon event
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

right now. I hope to God she does the event in her own home in New York City and keeps her sorry ass out of Texas. We have enough problems here in Texas without her inciting more violence.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. My bet is that she will do it somewhere like Garland where there is
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015

a lot of anti-islamic sentiment.

That's her base and that's who she wants to rile up.

I don't think she would ever do this in NYC.

tanyev

(42,598 posts)
16. She might have a more difficult time finding a facility willing to give her space in the future.
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:54 PM
May 2015

As an Ayn Rand disciple, she should recognize a dope slap from the invisible hand of the free market, but she'll probably call it persecution.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
6. I wish Peter Weber would say that to the face of the officer who was shot in the ankle
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:33 PM
May 2015

and is now in hiding.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Basically everything in this article is wrong
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:35 PM
May 2015

It was certainly not a flop. If it were a flop, no one would be talking about it.

The contest wasn't to draw "the best mocking picture of Islam's Prophet Mohammed" - if you look at the image that won, you will see that is obviously not the case.


JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
12. Next time, have her stand outside the entrance instead of the wounded security guard
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:19 PM
May 2015

Because of the quick actions of local police, only one person was injured - a security guard. Next time, Gellar needs to put herself outside the front door of her "Islamfacist" trap.

Coventina

(27,160 posts)
13. Sorry, FAIL. Calling "blasphemy" provocation is a load of you-know-what.
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:27 PM
May 2015

I don't care if it violates the blasphemy laws of one or one billion, it's a bogus standard of judgment.

Geller is a loathsome human being, but she didn't commit blasphemy. There's no such thing.

And Simpson and Soofi were not useful idiots, they were attempted murderers.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
17. "And Simpson and Soofi were not useful idiots, they were attempted murderers."
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

As far as I know, the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Coventina

(27,160 posts)
24. OK, point taken on that. I would certainly consider them murderous idiots.
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

But still:
Murder = wrong
Blasphemy = not wrong

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