To Those Who Keep Saying Not Rallying Around Hillary Right Now Is Desdain For Unity:

[mylye2222]

Firsr: There is a primary happenning. Early stages of it. I know some here expect a Hillary coronation. But this is no how democratic process works.

Secondly it is really upsetting, that rethoric of labelling other candidates-Sanders first RN-supporters "RW" or insinuating they voted for Nader in 2000. Al Gore list because Florida was stolen.

Then, should I remind you, you are blaming a lack of unity, even a "secret pro RW opération " the fact some wants a progressive, socialist ( in a european meaning) true liberal nomineee. Supporting the hypest one doesnt allow to constantly dismiss others who don't.
And btw we all know Mrs Clinton and her inner circle didnt exactly showed "concern for unity" in 2004 and 2008..... Political strategy, mainly, but it was done anyway.

[leftofcool]

1. I'm sorry, there won't be a coronation. Senator Sanders is running as we all hoped.

SOS Clinton has an inner circle???????? Damn! I wasn't invited. Gonna have to email her about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. May I have a list to the horde of posters who are saying Bernie shouldn't run?

Thank you in advance.

[upaloopa]

3. There isn't enough for them to complain

about so they are making shit up.
Takes a lot of imagination.

[Doctor_J]

6. right after you quote the section of the op that says duers are saying that

The op says that the HRC fan club claim supporting Sanders fractures party unity. These are the same people whose slogan in 2008 was PARTY unity My Ass.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I am confused...

Most of the PUMAS left the board in 08 never to return...

There are over 100,000 members here and I can count on one hand those saying Bernie shouldn't run...

[Gman]

4. Ralph Nader is solely responsible for everything

Bad that's happened since 2000.

[mylye2222]

5. So Florida was not stolen? ???

[davidn3600]

11. Nader wasn't the reason Gore lost in 2000

1. The Republicans were going to steal Florida one way or another.
2. Gore lost his home state.
3. Palm Beach County in Florida designed a ballot that was too difficult for many people to interpret ("Butterfly ballot&quot . This resulted in many people accidentally voting for Pat Buchanan instead of Gore. We can't get mad about this though because that ballot was designed by a Democrat and signed off by the Democratic party.

Nader's voters wouldnt automatically support Gore. These people were voting 3rd party for a reason. They didn't like Gore or Bush. Many of the Nader voters would have either voted for another 3rd party candidate or would have stayed home.

Despite popular belief, there are voters in this country who do not vote based on who's the lesser evil.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I hate to relitigate the 00 election

I hate to relitigate the 00 election but your assertion that " Nader's voters wouldnt automatically support Gore. These people were voting 3rd party for a reason. They didn't like Gore or Bush. Many of the Nader voters would have either voted for another 3rd party candidate or would have stayed home" is incorrect.

But in Florida, where the race was ultimately decided, exit polling showed that if Nader’s name had not been on the ballot, 47 percent of his Florida supporters would have voted for Gore, 21 percent would have voted for Bush, and the rest (32 percent) wouldn’t have voted for president. That would have given Gore another 45,000-plus votes and a clear victory.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0502/Bernie-Sanders-Liberal-Democrats-savior-or-Ralph-Nader-spoiler

Nader ran a shitty campaign, he received a whopping 2.75% of the vote and less than 2% in Florida...It just so happened enough of it came out of Gore's hide to throw the election to Bush...Nader supporters would have had a point if he made a real showing and got 5%, 10%, or !5% of the vote but he didn't. He was the proverbial guy who tripped the marathon runner right before he reached the finish line.

In closing. his measly 2.75% of the vote didn't demonstrate mass dissatisfaction with the Democratic party.It did demonstrate a third party candidate hurts the candidate ideologically closest to him or her, even if said third party candidate receives a paltry amount of the vote.

[davidn3600]

15. Nader was never going to get that much and he knew he wasn't

There is a point in why 3rd party candidates even bother. They know they don't have the money or the resources to compete against the two massive parties. And the people that vote for them are the same way. They exist to make a point.

People who vote lock-step with their party always say these candidates are spoilers and the people who vote for them throw their vote away. But get into an discussion with these people and they will tell you that in their mind, this is the only candidate they feel they can vote for.

There is always a small percentage of Americans who will vote for someone other than the Dem and Rep. Like I said, not everyone in this country votes for the lesser of two evils. Not everyone votes a straight Democrat or straight Republican ticket. I've met people who have voted Republican for governor and Democrat for President. I mean you would think that doesn't make sense but it's actually not that uncommon. And ultimately, people have a right to vote for whoever they want.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I agree that you own your vote...

But I believe that my point that if there was mass dissatisfaction with Bush and Gore in the 2000 presidential race Nader and Buchanan collectively would have garnered a lot more than 3.75% of the vote between the two of them.

Now you can argue that this a function of manufactured consent and money in politics...Maybe we can have that argument/discussion another day...

PEACE
DemocratSinceBirth

[Gman]

17. Had Nader never run

None of the bad things in the last 15 years would have happened. It doesn't matter about KY, FL or anything else buts probably the most destructive and irresponsible thing I've ever seen a human do.

[brooklynite]

7. UNREC

...for the lazy repetition of cliche'd statements without evidence

"To Those Who Keep Saying Not Rallying Around Hillary Right Now Is Desdain For Unity" -- name someone. Cite a post.

"I know some here expect a Hillary coronation" -- name someone. Cite a post.

[cwydro]

8. I know, right? I keep seeing these type posts.

I was a Hillary supporter way back before Obama.

However, my mind is open and I've got no problem with other Dems supporting whomever they want.

[FSogol]

18. Last month that poster said that there wouldn't be a primary. Now: "There is a primary happenning."

Epic naivete?

[Metric System]

10. Who said that? Where? Links please. These seem to be claims concocted out of thin air.

[djean111]

12. I am a Bernie supporter - and no one is saying this now. We have begun primary season,

and people won't say things like this unless Hillary wins the nomination.
No need to stir up controversy where none exists. Certainly not helping Bernie.

[JaneyVee]

14. Is this post directed at the make believe scenario in your head?

You're more obsessed with tanking Hillary than the Republican party.

[SidDithers]

19. Kick...nt

Sid