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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:44 AM Apr 2015

Michael Moore: Disarm the police

Filmmaker Michael Moore on Thursday called for the release of all blacks jailed on drug sentences to be released, and for the police to be disarmed.

“Here’s my demand: I want every African-American currently incarcerated for drug ‘crimes’ or non-violent offenses released from prison today,” Moore tweeted.

“Next demand: Disarm the police,” he continued.

Moore’s tweets were in response to the rioting in Baltimore earlier this week, which was triggered by the death in police custody of a 25-year-old black man.

“We have ¼ billion 2nd Amendment guns in our homes 4 protection,” Moore wrote. “We’ll survive til the right cops r hired.”

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240634-michael-moore-disarm-the-police

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Michael Moore: Disarm the police (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2015 OP
Does he want white people jailed on drug charges to be released too... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #1
You seem to be totally missing politically liberal Moore's points about over incarceration of black youth, and also Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #3
Probably true. I think he wants to make sure and disarm the rest of us... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #4
Did you read his tweets? Generic Other Apr 2015 #13
Moore doesn't have much credibility on the "disarm the police" front. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #2
Specious reasoning whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #7
Considering Moore is also anti-RKBA it seems he thinks he's the only one allowed to have protection. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #8
Didn't compare whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #11
You tried to draw analogy. It was a false analogy. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #12
No you're right, Michael Moore has no credibility whatchamacallit May 2015 #18
Why is he entitled to armed protection but works to deny that right to others? Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #20
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... LanternWaste Apr 2015 #9
In what context? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #10
Have his armed bodyguards been beating up and killing people? nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #17
Disarm the police? Uh, no. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #5
Guns don't kill people. Police kill people! immoderate Apr 2015 #6
Hypocrite and an idiot... Oktober Apr 2015 #14
Demand. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #15
superficial mediocrity seveneyes Apr 2015 #16
Fine. romanic May 2015 #19
K&R RandiFan1290 May 2015 #21
Note the immediate Third Way pushback to any suggestion that actual policy changes need to occur. woo me with science May 2015 #22

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
1. Does he want white people jailed on drug charges to be released too...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:49 AM
Apr 2015

or can they just rot? As for disarming police, he can go out on patrol unarmed if he wants. See how long his privileged ass lasts.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. You seem to be totally missing politically liberal Moore's points about over incarceration of black youth, and also
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:59 AM
Apr 2015

the message of how ridiculous the gun loving NRA types are about their precious firearms protecting them - they could never stomach a society with disarmed police, mainly because of their paranoia of the same black youth.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
4. Probably true. I think he wants to make sure and disarm the rest of us...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:02 PM
Apr 2015

before he disarms the police.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
13. Did you read his tweets?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:56 PM
Apr 2015

Michael Moore @MMFlint · 14h 14 hours ago

Here's my demand: I want every African-American currently incarcerated for drug "crimes" or nonviolent offenses released from prison today.
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And the rest who r imprisoned- I dont believe 50% of them did what they're accused of. Lies. Greed. A modern day slave system. Poor whites 2
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Michael Moore @MMFlint · 15h 15 hours ago

Next demand: Disarm the police. We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection. We'll survive til the right cops r hired
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Michael Moore @MMFlint · 14h 14 hours ago

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
2. Moore doesn't have much credibility on the "disarm the police" front.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:51 AM
Apr 2015

Him having armed bodyguards and all.

As for drug and non-violent crimes -- why just African-Americans? Why not everyone similarly situated?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
7. Specious reasoning
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

I don't see commonality between armed-to-the-teeth racist cops and a few bodyguards who may be packing. If a member of congress had made the statement would they likewise have no credibility because of their security? Or is this the requisite RW-style Moore Hate that accompanies any thread about him?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. Considering Moore is also anti-RKBA it seems he thinks he's the only one allowed to have protection.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

The only thing specious is comparing Moore to a government official.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
6. Guns don't kill people. Police kill people!
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

Freddie Gray was not killed with a gun. We should make it illegal for police to kill.

--imm

romanic

(2,841 posts)
19. Fine.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:12 AM
May 2015

Just make sure to disarm the gangs and criminals and whoever else has guns illegally on the streets. Hell disarm those living in the hood who have legal guns to protect their homes too.



Seriously MM has completely lost me ever since he made that crack about Obama. This is just another irrational point to add to his irrelevance.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. Note the immediate Third Way pushback to any suggestion that actual policy changes need to occur.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:49 AM
May 2015

The MO of corporate Third Way propaganda is to give lip service to the disempowerment of minority groups while DEFENDING THE MALIGNANT POLICIES THAT SUSTAIN IT and attacking those who would implicate Third Way politicians in its perpetuation and escalation.

Police militarization has been aggressively expanded under the Obama administration. Militarization of our police departments is a *bipartisan* effort of corporatists in both parties, right along with mass surveillance, the assaults on journalism, and the persecution of whistleblowers. The programs and legislation that are turning our police departments into paramilitary forces come through Homeland Security and the Pentagon, and are being used to suppress and intimidate dissent, exploit communities, and fill lucrative private prisons with slave labor as the nation is corporatized and Americans are made into a nation of low-paid wage slaves.


The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424


Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter&quot , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.”

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.


The corporate corruption of this nation will never end as long as we fail to recognize how we are being manipulated by politicians and their propaganda machines that claim to care about these problems, but deliberately rule out discussion of actual policy changes to address them and smear those who attempt to begin such discussions. Notice how our corporate media never even MENTIONS the complicity of corporate politicians in expanding these programs that militarize police.

That is why the lies of neoliberals are so dangerous.

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