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Primarily, because people are pissed off at the status quo.
Bernie Sanders speaks common sense, beyond the "Party" level.
Many Americans are extremely dissatisfied with the mainstream of both major Parties. Democrats and Republicans alike are unhappy with the direction our country is going. They are looking for someone to lead.
No doubt, Republicans will be licking their chops that a "socialist" is running. They shouldn't be. Democrats, as usual, are full of doubt that Bernie may be too far out of the "mainstream" to win. Both are wrong.
Many Americans are ready to look beyond the Party label. Even though Bernie may run as a Democrat, most folks understand that he is not your "run-of-the-mill" Democrat. He speaks for the people, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents alike.
That is why he will surprise the establishment.
(Edited by suggestion: Changed "The American people" to "Many Americans"
still_one
(92,317 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)Still very powerful but there are other sources of media, such as Twitter, FaceBook, and Instagram that get a lot of attention on the mainstream media.
still_one
(92,317 posts)gossip
kentuck
(111,106 posts)Unlike the mainstream media... It's part of free speech.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)from TV anymore. They will hear about him from other sources - so will others.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Now that I mention that... I wonder what his stats are.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)"calls himself a democrat socialist" - cbs is already using semantics to attack bernie.
personally, would describe myself as a socialist democrat. i've never heard persons refer to themselves as democrat socialists. do they even exist? persons in the socialist party who call themselves democrat socialists?
still_one
(92,317 posts)Him a chance to address the public, but instead used second hand hack, (so-called news analysts), who will speak "in place of Bernie, as to what he is really saying", when all they have to do is ask him
The fact That Bernie is running as a Democrat, is going to force the media's hands I think, and make it easier for Bernie to get air time
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)bernie will have those of us who can get the word out to the grassroots and spread his actual responses - verbatim.
still_one
(92,317 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)MSNBC--and then only to speak in support of something Congress and/or Obama was doing.
Just about the second he said he might run, MTP had him on, rather cynically I thought.
This is the first in our series spotlilghting Presidential candidates.
Yeah, way, way before anyone is paying attention. Now you can exclude him later. Thanks, Chuck Toad.
But I wasn't the tiniest bit mad at MTP because, regardless, they gave Sanders air time. And, the more people hear him, the better.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)We need to flood the networks with support!
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)He didn't fall for any of their nonsense and did a good job promoting his message.
mopinko
(70,175 posts)nobody has been leaning on him to tow the party line. a stark contrast.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)He'll be running as a "Democrat." That's a party affiliation. D'oh.
i am talking about his long and illustrious career so far.
and stop saying if. that is completely disingenuous. and transparent.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I am simply correcting a misstatement of fact. Duh
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)If he was to good for Dem's to join all these years, why
should Dem accept him as one of them.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)Because of Citizens United, there's almost no way a candidate can run as an Independent and have enough money to get his views out, especially a candidate like Bernie. He also points out that it wd be very difficult if not impossible for him to get on the ballot in every state and then get enough people to manage his campaign in every state.
He has thought it thru I think and has decided, I think rightly, that the risk is worth it.
Even if he fails to get the Dem nod, he will have at least made his views known and this will force the so-called Dems to take another long hard look at the issues they are running on. It will help keep the floor from tilting so far right that the average worker and the average citizen will never again have a chance to have their needs and opinions aired.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Now, when He needs Dem's he wants to make use of a Party has
been working for his interest all along!
We Dem's worked in the party all along, should have to say as to whether
we want him!
He seems to have to snobby to join until down when he wants something!!
kentuck
(111,106 posts)He has caucused with the Democratic since the time he first arrived in the Senate. What the hell are you talking about??
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)She has worked with in party, even in the bad times, she never quit,
and she kept fighting when the Dem's lost over and over to the GOP
Hillary and Bill had the most successful Presidency in history, it was
because they worked for the middle class, that is why the whole country
got rich, not just the rich.
They were able help the more American's at one time, than any other Presidency:
(expt FDR
Bernie, cannot out do Hillary in loyalty to the Dem party!! He just joining now!!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)In other words, he is more Of a true democrat than the DLCer HRC is, which is why Wall Street loves her.
She is for Wall Street, fracking, outsourcing, trade deals, war..... He is for the people.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)hurts.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)mopinko
(70,175 posts)he has caucused with them the whole time he was in the senate. but staying independent freed him from that party pressures that make everyone else a dino according to du.
i have no problem accepting him.
but hang on to your bogus issue if it makes you feel better.
merrily
(45,251 posts)spoken out for their causes. Even though they tried and tried to defeat him when he was Mayor of Vermont. They even joined hands with Republicans to run one candidate between them to try to knock him out and he still won and still cooperates with them. He's been so useful to them (and so successful in winning elections) that they don't even run anyone against him in Vermont anymore.
merrily
(45,251 posts)formally announcing he was running as a Democrat.
JEB
(4,748 posts)but plain spoken truth has its ways of being heard. The people are desperate for an authentic voice from an authentic leader.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)sincerity cuts through lots and lots of barriers or boundaries. especially amongst those who have learned to rely on their common sense and trust to make a living for themselves. this is also very true amongst many of the marginalized people in our country have a real radar for sincerity.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)I have been fond of that term for many years. Much more accurate than "mainstream media."
merrily
(45,251 posts)No one wants to make the man behind the curtain too obvious to all of America.
procon
(15,805 posts)You make the claim that, "The American people are ready to look beyond the Party label". Yet the nation has never been as polarized as it is now, or so rigidly separated into the queues of red and blue, and divided by factions battling other factions, that our political ideologies have spilled over into almost every aspect of our lives.
What do you foresee will be Sander's plan to unite so many disparate philosophies so that he can overcome the frontrunners clear majority?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie Sanders doesn't try to please this group or that group. He just really is a good person. He really is honest.
He is not going to plan to unite so many disparate philosophies. He is just going to be the candidate you can trust to be honest and to listen to your point of view and try to work with you while holding to American values.
He isn't going to worry about overcoming the front-runners clear majority with some clever ad campaign. He is just going to be himself. Take it or leave it. That is how he has always gotten elected as an independent social democrat in what was before his election a pretty conservative state. Vermont elected mostly Republican senators even during the Great Depression. And then there is Bernie. Patrick Leahy was also pretty liberal, but also very independent.
We shall see how his approach sells. It is something different. I am volunteering for him. I think he will appeal to a lot of people who don't vote because the candidates are such phonies with their huge production companies and phony, phony ads.
procon
(15,805 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)I will support a loyal Dem!!
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)I like Leahy too, a Dem. but fairly independent as you say. Some here have questions Re social democrat vs. democratic socialist as in European usage. It helps me to emphasize democrat, with putting the social in front. Akin to the opposite, corporate democrat. There's many kinds of Dems.- social, centrist, New Dem., corporate, FDR, JFK, environmental/green. *The 'socialist' term will become an issue soon, for sure.
-Appa
merrily
(45,251 posts)The 'socialist' term will become an issue soon, for sure.
Sure. But it's been being said about Obama for 8 years.
JEB
(4,748 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)It often amazes me what motivates a relatively infrequent poster to post.
JEB
(4,748 posts)I was referring to the empty labeling of Bernie as a socialist as the tired and over used it is. And I awlays take time to read JDPriestly posts. Always thoughtful and succinct.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But I really can't see 65 Million people voting for him to win the presidency. I would love him as POTUS but socialism is a toxic word to Americans.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)in the general election.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And that's a good thing. IMO.
think
(11,641 posts)But one never knows. Maybe people are sick of being lied to.......
DhhD
(4,695 posts)It needs to be corrected in American schools too, same time Sanders corrects it before the public.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)9/11 that in a few years we would elect a President whose middle name was Hussein, I'd have laughed in his face. Time has a way of changing perspectives.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and not just because there will be fewer candidates in the race. He has more gravitas than Kucinich, and I think having MSNBC on for a good 10+ years now has given Democratic candidates an outlet to practice and improve their delivery for televised audiences. Back in 2004, MSNBC having liberals at night was something new and novel.
No way Bernie can win the nomination or GE, though.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)to the Senate for decades, since the Republican Party was founded until Patrick Leahy and then Bernie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Vermont
Bernie's seat was solid Republican until he ran.
Leahy's seat was also pretty solid Republican until Leahy ran.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Millennials don't remember the cold war, for the most part, and whilst they may not be about to fly a hammer and sickle flag in their backyards, they at least don't shrink from the s-word like Dracula from a crucifix the way previous generations did.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and it is pretty worn out by now.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Repugs have no idea what "socialism" means...actually, most Americans don't know...They should read more about Finland...
GO, BERNIE, GO
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He makes no bones about it. It won't sell well. just a fact.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Also, it's not impossible to point out the huge difference between socialism and Democratic socialism.
People say this can fly only in Vermont. However, I've been to Vermont. The rich and poor and middle class people of Vermont are no different from people anywhere else. They need jobs, food, shelter, medical care, affordable college educations for kids who want them, equal rights and they are sick of wars.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)might be that leader. The problem, as he has mentioned, is that he will represent a great threat to the Plutocratic Oligarchy and they have unlimited resources to throw at him. And they have the Corp-Media at their disposal. We must provide grassroots support for him to survive.
Volunteer here: https://berniesanders.com/volunteer/ This is our chance for a president that will represent the people.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)He's a threat even from an awareness standpoint. In a national election he gets a very big microphone to drop some truth. The masters minions will do their bidding to ensure the public thinks he is an old senile man, who just doesn't "get" the way the world works now. They'll ensure that even if he does win the stage is set for 60% of congress to oppose him on everything whipping up the uninformed populace with that still ingrained fear of communism and insuring we have another 4 years of slowing sliding towards oblivion.
Are we desperate enough to open our eyes this time? That will be the question over the next 16 months.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)from the point of view of most voters (even though his campaign was well organized). Americans are in a mood for outsiders and really unhappy about what the established parties have done and are doing. That's why you see the Congress change hands election after election. Individual seats are safe because people are loyal to their locally elected representatives and senators as people. But voters are very unhappy with the status quo and cling to every absurd rumor. There is a sense that our politicians are bought out and not very honest. That opens space for Bernie who just can't be bothered to put on a show and lie.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)...and take back our freedom.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Sign up to help his campaign here: https://berniesanders.com/volunteer/ I'm in.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)Thanks!
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's up to us to make up for the lack of corporate ca$h by spreading the word. Talk to your friends and family. Educate. Don't think a principled, liberal candidate can't win. To me, this is the last gasp for democracy in this country. If we can't get a candidate who matches the values and fights for the 99%, it's time to hang it up.
And anyone who thinks we won't get a lot of people who will never vote for Jeb Bush is crazy. They are putting up a candidate so bad, that it won't take much to beat him. What it will take is energizing all those who came out to vote in 2008 again. And maybe Bernie's independent spirit and unshakeable integrity can do that.
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)wish to ignore it.
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)-Appa
jalan48
(13,877 posts)It will be interesting to see how the media deals with him. I hope he doesn't get the Howard Dean "scream" approach, out of context sound bites making him appear a bit deranged. It's amazing how good the media is at derailing a candidate's message.
mopinko
(70,175 posts)that all his past appearances, and there are many, are out there for comparison.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)He tells it like it is in dinner table language.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)dressing these fools down when they need it.
Greenspan
and Bernanke
if enough people see him in action, he will draw people from both sides.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i see such grandness for our dems. i do. i am excited about all this. lets keep in mind during all this, even in dem battle, 2008, clinton and kerry became parts of obama. again. inclusive. i can so see both sanders and warren doing what they love, with clinton administration.
i am also learning that clinton, is not bill. i am processing that clinton was first married to bill, so there is a responsibility to step back and support bills run. then she worked for a state, independent. we can see a lot of where she would go. but then, she became an employee of obama. so, she had a responsibility to curtail her path for the boss.
these are realities i am thinking thru now.
anyway....
sanders.
i was having an absolute blast with sanders when my 17 yr old came home. i know sanders is the one for our youth. he is the obama of 2008 for our youth.
energize. get them jazzed. the dean of 2004.
my son will be voting for the first time.
he is not a supporter of clinton cause he kinda sees her the way we have all projected her. and it is not accurate. i like accurate. especially when teaching my boys. i am going to have to suggest he curtail his preconceived notions and openmindedly start listening to her and recognizing what she has said and done in the past. we are not informed accurately, or enough, i am seeing.
so. he is getting politically informed. it is gonna be dem. not a repug to be had. (living in the panhandle of texas, that matters with a soon to be 18 yr old white boy.) he dismissed clinton. i told him about sanders probably jumping in. he says.... but he is a socialist. he wont win. i told him, he is no more than an 80's dem. that we do not know what will happen, with support. my son gets that. has studied all this.
we were talking this morning about sanders. son just found out sanders announced. he is excited sanders is in the race. i tell him, i am way ahead and already on board. plotting. (gotta let the boys know, i know). he says, but sanders is old. i say, that is what they are saying he will be perceived as, so he is a fail before start. to simply dismiss sanders run. i see him more as the cool old professor sittin around you kids, listening to you, and talking with you. how fuggin awesome to have someone that i think.... hears you.
it is ON.... for my son. now, i am going to watch today and see how that develops. cause my son is gonna take this to his school, his voting age peers, cause he is way ahead of them. he will be taking it to the teachers, that all sit around, having these discussions with the kids. (and shame on those attacking teachers that they do not encourage critical thinking. if the kid wants, the teacher is all there. even in the very republican leanings, as teachers, respectful).
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I couldn't be happier.
polichick
(37,152 posts)he must think that the people are ready. k&r
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)And populists in general. This could have the effect of the corporatists of both parties being so obviously at odds with the working class even party differences will matter less, other than for the extreme nutjobs on the right.
As it is now, the MSM ( the corporate media ) only sneer at us in the form of pseudo-enlightened boilerplate as they wag their fingers at the populists over opposition to the TPP; telling us to "face facts" and succumb to the third-way agenda on economic policy ( supply-side / rentier globalism )
If Bernie runs, both the corporatist democratic wing and obviously the MSM will go into absolute code-red alert. Their contempt for the working class will be bare, and it will be strident. Let's see if they want to go there.
polichick
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This on Morning Tool today.
Just remember people, the dirty fucking hippies were right - so right that they had to be sidelined.
We can't let it happen again.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)That's always been my mistake, that I KNEW what the American people were thinking. Like in 1980 when I KNEW that Reagan could never win. You are making several assumptions.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)On almost every issue.
Thanks for your opinion.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Socialism in America does not always benefit just the poor and Middle Class but the wealthy. Right now I think it benefits the wealthy in deference to the so called "Job Creators" as advocated by the Republican Socialists.
I like Bernie Sanders but need to be convinced he would make a good President. As to the charge he is a Socialist so what he is just one of many different kinds.
appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)-Appa
donnasgirl
(656 posts)We had the pleasure in meeting Mr Sanders in a small store in Vermont, the one thing for us that stood out about him was his sincerity about issues he was discussing with others in the store. I am sorry to report this ( LOL) is he is the real deal in my opinion, the man truly cares is the only way to sum it up.
madokie
(51,076 posts)He gives me hope for my Grand daughter that maybe just maybe we'll get our shit together before she reaches adulthood.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)and if Warren stumps for him...on Wall Street issues then we on the Left finally have a voice.
I just hope Foreign Policy issues can be discussed because that's really important to many of us on the Left who are sick of money going for Endless Wars and Death & Destruction of Innocents caught up in all of it. Drones, Secrecy in Government, Silencing Whistleblowers, and Militarization of our Police and Government, NSA Spying, Crookedness on Wall Street and the fight for Overturning Citizens United.
We know all of our Democrats will be strong on Social Issues, LBGT and Women's Rights but the other issues I mentioned have not been addressed. It's long past time we rolled back the Bush Militarization of Government.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Did we get a dedicated forum for him yet?
We need links to his donation sites, just like we should do for Hillary
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Many Americans are satisfied with the Democratic party: its the GOP that is
the problem. I want a loyal Democrat as head of the party not, Bernie
Sanders, he just joining to get elected.
.
Like Dukkis, Bernie will put the GOP in the white house!!
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)You spelled the rest of your post correctly...
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)following Senator Sanders' announcement and the first primaries. If he will have a chance, we should see an immediate jump in his polling in the first round after the announcement and increasing results from then until the first primary. While polls are not an absolute indicator of actual results, they do provide useful information about general trends.
If Sanders trends upwards in the polling, starting with a jump after his announcement, there will be reason for optimism about his chances. If there is no jump or upward trend, it will be equally clear that his is not going to prevail.
Polling will be a better measure than enthusiastic postings from his supporters. I'll be interested to see polling numbers, starting with the very next primary polling of Democratic voters.
PufPuf23
(8,805 posts)He has my vote.
expect him to get treated by media as a non-viable / stunt candidate
I am sure he is serious and thank you Bernie.
Lets get DU behind Bernie
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Then they need not be worried about Bernie. Granted, Hillary will need to trot out left wing appeals, which oddly enough, and thankfully enough, she is, though I bet the Mark Penns and James Carvilles of the world are reaching for the Scotch.
Worst case scenario is that Bernie acts like a good sparring partner that will make sure that she gets her left hook in tune, instead of leaning too much to the right. That left hook, underutilized by the democrats, is exactly what we need to TKO the GOP.
And if Bernie wins, well, just like Obama proved his stuff by taking out Hillary, so will Bernie.
This is a win win folks...
mvd
(65,179 posts)If the country is ready for a Bernie Presidency, we have made great progress indeed! K&R
kentuck
(111,106 posts)For what it's worth.
In my opinion, it does show an inclination to be more open-minded as a country. I do not think Bernie Sanders will be judged as something less than what a Democrat or a Republican might be judged? At least, I hope not.
It's a whole new generation. The WWII generation is almost gone. The Millennials are the last of the WWII generation or they are the beginning of a new generation?
In my opinion, our country has gone thru a generational change. They think differently than generations before them.
mvd
(65,179 posts)Country showed progress there for sure in electing President Obama.
But the recent election results still have me cynical about the electorate. Lots of ignorance. Let's hope young people lead the way.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)onethatcares
(16,178 posts)the relevance of the 60s is more evident today than I ever thought.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)but what do I know?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)What he is doing is recalibrating common sense to bring it into alignment with a reality other than the one carefully constructed by the media industry.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)First, let Bernie's record and positions spread on social media to get millenials excited and engaged. Second, get him a lot of cash early on to propel that momentum to all ages. The fact-based ads he's sure to run will rein in a lot of support. I want to hear pundits say "Senator Sanders is outpacing every candidate, Republican and Democratic, in fund raising this quarter."
Oh yeahhhhhhh.
Billsmile
(404 posts)I'm hoping that Sanders will point out that what he's advocating for is;
1) Is a positions held by the majority of Americans,
and
2) Is a position held by a prior administration (be it the Republican Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, the Republican Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.).
Sanders brings up point #1 constantly, and point #2 might get the media to question its "Socialist" name-calling antics.
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Just judging from Facebook and threads on DU, it's plain that Bernie generates excitement, whereas Hillary generates grudging acceptance.
Paka
(2,760 posts)I feel the people will speak back for him. Spread the word to all who will listen and look for the shift in the polls.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)When people actually heard Wellstone talk even many who could never have imagined voting for him before became enthusiastic supporters. Why? He was HONEST with people and they had no doubts where he stood whether they were in total agreement or not. He didn't back down and he told people the TRUTH. Bernie is cut from exactly the same cloth.
onethatcares
(16,178 posts)WE the people appreciate common sense and straight talk, and there are millions of us that know we're getting the shaft from business, the government and our bosses(at times) WE are not stupid, no matter where each of us comes from and the coolest thing is, there are a lot of boomers that know what it was like 50 years ago, and we know what Social Security and Medicare are about and what's happening to them. It's time,
It's time for a real change in this country. We are the richest, wealthiest country on the earth for the longest time can we finally come into the 20th freaking century in our social services?
Bernie Sanders has this carpenters vote in the primary and the general if he gets that far.
We still have to get the pukes outa congress and the USSC
Cue up the Chambers Brothers.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)The Chambers Brothers...
onethatcares
(16,178 posts)that song rocks.
Time has come today................................................................to try to change the movement of our country.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................again.
Go Bernie, GO>