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kentuck

(111,106 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:41 AM Apr 2015

Why Bernie Sanders will surprise the political establishment?

Last edited Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Primarily, because people are pissed off at the status quo.

Bernie Sanders speaks common sense, beyond the "Party" level.

Many Americans are extremely dissatisfied with the mainstream of both major Parties. Democrats and Republicans alike are unhappy with the direction our country is going. They are looking for someone to lead.

No doubt, Republicans will be licking their chops that a "socialist" is running. They shouldn't be. Democrats, as usual, are full of doubt that Bernie may be too far out of the "mainstream" to win. Both are wrong.

Many Americans are ready to look beyond the Party label. Even though Bernie may run as a Democrat, most folks understand that he is not your "run-of-the-mill" Democrat. He speaks for the people, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents alike.

That is why he will surprise the establishment.

(Edited by suggestion: Changed "The American people" to "Many Americans&quot

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Why Bernie Sanders will surprise the political establishment? (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2015 OP
Only if the media cover him. They should now that he is running as a Democrat still_one Apr 2015 #1
The media has changed... kentuck Apr 2015 #2
That is the social media, and it is notorious for rumors still_one Apr 2015 #3
Which are usually discovered rather quickly and corrected... kentuck Apr 2015 #5
Yes, not too long ago DU had an article about how the young people were not getting their news jwirr Apr 2015 #14
And Sanders is ALL OVER Facebook! His quotes are shared like mad arcane1 Apr 2015 #61
cbs news reports that bernie hopemountain Apr 2015 #64
Bernie will be able to address that with no problem. The problem I see is that the MSM won't give still_one Apr 2015 #70
and of course, hopemountain Apr 2015 #75
As someone pointed out to me, that is what the social media is all about still_one Apr 2015 #76
It already has. NO ONE gave himi air time before he announced he might run, except merrily Apr 2015 #101
At every turn they marginalize him, watch! Dustlawyer Apr 2015 #65
He was just on Fox News Sunday Mnpaul Apr 2015 #68
he is a free man. his lack of party affiliation means that mopinko Apr 2015 #4
Well, if he runs as a Democrat he has a party affiliation frazzled Apr 2015 #8
duh. mopinko Apr 2015 #18
I have zero agenda. I'm happy to have Sanders run as a Democrat. frazzled Apr 2015 #41
Get it straight.Dems have the right direction but blocked at every turn by republicans bjobotts Apr 2015 #87
If Bernies is a freeman, why is going to use the Dem's get elected lewebley3 Apr 2015 #31
He has explained this several times. Stevepol Apr 2015 #38
Bernies views have been know for 30 years: If he was A Dem he should have joinned lewebley3 Apr 2015 #43
Name one Democrat that has voted for our interests more times than has Bernie Sanders?? kentuck Apr 2015 #48
Hillary has voted more times with Dem's because she is a Dem: and a loyal one! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #63
LOL! Good one. Except Bernie is loyal to the people, and the ideals of the Democratic party B4 DLC peacebird Apr 2015 #69
My head... kentuck Apr 2015 #97
Link to show Hillary voted with Dems more times than Bernie? merrily Apr 2015 #106
You're bizarre nikto Apr 2015 #98
why shouldnt they? mopinko Apr 2015 #50
He's caucused with Democrats in both the Senate and the House (still) and has merrily Apr 2015 #103
His lack of prior affiliation? I'm guessing/hoping he registered as a Democrat before merrily Apr 2015 #102
The corporate media may ignore him, JEB Apr 2015 #6
yes, this is very true hopemountain Apr 2015 #77
"Corporate media" - thank you. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2015 #99
I am not sure they can, realistically, if there is enough buzz IRL and in social media. merrily Apr 2015 #104
Setting aside your optimism for a practical question here. procon Apr 2015 #7
How about the philosophy of common sense and the truth. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #32
That sounds very nice. nt procon Apr 2015 #40
Hillary is good person and a loyal Dem, Bernie is just joining! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #44
Good post. Bernie's authenticity, integrity & concern for the people comes through foremost. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #81
JDPriestly has a habit of making good posts. merrily Apr 2015 #107
I think they have already riden that horse into the ground. eom JEB Apr 2015 #111
You're objecting to my complimenting JDPriestly, a fellow DUer? ok merrily Apr 2015 #112
Oh no, sorry I wan't very clear. JEB Apr 2015 #113
I wish I had your optimism about Bernie... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #9
A self avowed socialist is not going anywhere redstateblues Apr 2015 #11
True - but he will push the debate to the left MaggieD Apr 2015 #13
Americans tend to vote against their own self interests thanks to being manipulated by the MSM think Apr 2015 #25
Perfect time for America to hear the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism. DhhD Apr 2015 #71
I think that many will ignore the party label in favor of how each candidate stands on the issues. jwirr Apr 2015 #15
If someone had told me after LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #17
True. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #19
I was one of those. kentuck Apr 2015 #20
I think he'll do better than Kucinich in the primaries NewJeffCT Apr 2015 #26
He got elected in Vermont, a state that sent mostly Republicans JDPriestly Apr 2015 #33
I don't think that's as true now as it used to be nxylas Apr 2015 #35
The Republicans have been calling Obama a socialist for years Mnpaul Apr 2015 #73
Remember Thespian2 Apr 2015 #74
Obama is not a socialist-Bernie is redstateblues Apr 2015 #79
From 2007 on, Obama was called a Kenyan, a Muslim AND a socialist and he won twice. merrily Apr 2015 #105
I agree with you. There is a Populist Movement just waiting for a leader. I think Sen Sanders rhett o rick Apr 2015 #10
Ya and because of that he's going to be attacked by both parties. Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #28
People are pretty disgusted with the status quo. Obama was an outsider JDPriestly Apr 2015 #34
Are we going to have his back... kentuck Apr 2015 #49
Sign up for his campaign rhett o rick Apr 2015 #51
Done NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #55
Did it ! kentuck Apr 2015 #58
You're damn right we are. nt Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #52
Absolutely! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #95
YES! BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #46
Good post- populism rising for a reason. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #84
The Populist Movement exists even if the Corp-Media and the Third Way Democrats rhett o rick Apr 2015 #92
For sure- growing every week too! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #96
I'm glad Bernie is in and I hope he is able to get his message out to the public at large. jalan48 Apr 2015 #12
it will be interesting. hopefully they will remember mopinko Apr 2015 #21
Bernie doesn't speak in Wall Street accent. CANDO Apr 2015 #16
But Bernie excels at speaking at Wall St. Mnpaul Apr 2015 #72
+1 Go Vols Apr 2015 #114
and never forget, what roles will the others play in clintons run IF she were to win. seabeyond Apr 2015 #22
I couldn't agree more. I predict a groundswell rising against establishment oligarchs. NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #23
Bernie has been speaking with voters all over the country, so... polichick Apr 2015 #24
Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #27
The MSM will come out sharply more derisively toward the progressive wing of the party Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #29
They're already using "viable candidates" to throw shade at Bernie... polichick Apr 2015 #30
My mistake dpatbrown Apr 2015 #36
Somebody is right and somebody is wrong... kentuck Apr 2015 #37
I would love someone to explain to me how America is not already a Socialist country. gordianot Apr 2015 #39
Wealthy Republican socialists needs to be heard more- tis true. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #86
About 5 years ago donnasgirl Apr 2015 #42
I feel good about the news that Bernie is going to throw his hat in the ring madokie Apr 2015 #45
I'm so glad he is running. He brings issues to the table that no one else will address... KoKo Apr 2015 #47
Has to have money and lots of it. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #53
I'm looking forward to the debates between Hillary and Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #54
I usually skip the debates. Not this time. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #57
Bernie Sanders is just another white male! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #56
Like Dukkis? Who? MineralMan Apr 2015 #60
It will be interesting to see what the polling does MineralMan Apr 2015 #59
I hope Bernie does surprise PufPuf23 Apr 2015 #62
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #66
if Hillary is the juggernaut some of her supporters say she is DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #67
I hope you are right mvd Apr 2015 #78
This country elected the first black President - twice... kentuck Apr 2015 #89
Yes true about that mvd Apr 2015 #90
Bernie makes me 'want' to vote! TheNutcracker Apr 2015 #80
Win, Bernie, Win! Let's go back to the Sixties and turn left instead of right. (my new SIGLine!) Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #82
check out the chambers brothers post down below. onethatcares Apr 2015 #119
Bernie will kick it up a notch or two Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #83
I think average republicans are going to like him notadmblnd Apr 2015 #85
I agree- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #88
in fact, I think he will appeal to conservatives so much that he could win if he ran as a Republican notadmblnd Apr 2015 #91
It's not "common sense", it's the truth. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #93
DAMN RIGHT! John Poet Apr 2015 #94
What I hope to see Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2015 #100
When The Media Screams "Socialist" Billsmile Apr 2015 #108
I see enthusiasm for Bernie spinbaby Apr 2015 #109
Bernie speaks directly to the people. Paka Apr 2015 #110
Call it the "Wellstone effect." hifiguy Apr 2015 #115
In all honesty onethatcares Apr 2015 #116
A request? kentuck Apr 2015 #117
thank you so very much onethatcares Apr 2015 #118

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
2. The media has changed...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

Still very powerful but there are other sources of media, such as Twitter, FaceBook, and Instagram that get a lot of attention on the mainstream media.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
5. Which are usually discovered rather quickly and corrected...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

Unlike the mainstream media... It's part of free speech.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Yes, not too long ago DU had an article about how the young people were not getting their news
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

from TV anymore. They will hear about him from other sources - so will others.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
61. And Sanders is ALL OVER Facebook! His quotes are shared like mad
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:28 PM
Apr 2015

Now that I mention that... I wonder what his stats are.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
64. cbs news reports that bernie
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

"calls himself a democrat socialist" - cbs is already using semantics to attack bernie.

personally, would describe myself as a socialist democrat. i've never heard persons refer to themselves as democrat socialists. do they even exist? persons in the socialist party who call themselves democrat socialists?

still_one

(92,317 posts)
70. Bernie will be able to address that with no problem. The problem I see is that the MSM won't give
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

Him a chance to address the public, but instead used second hand hack, (so-called news analysts), who will speak "in place of Bernie, as to what he is really saying", when all they have to do is ask him

The fact That Bernie is running as a Democrat, is going to force the media's hands I think, and make it easier for Bernie to get air time

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
75. and of course,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:04 PM
Apr 2015

bernie will have those of us who can get the word out to the grassroots and spread his actual responses - verbatim.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
101. It already has. NO ONE gave himi air time before he announced he might run, except
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:16 AM
Apr 2015

MSNBC--and then only to speak in support of something Congress and/or Obama was doing.


Just about the second he said he might run, MTP had him on, rather cynically I thought.

This is the first in our series spotlilghting Presidential candidates.

Yeah, way, way before anyone is paying attention. Now you can exclude him later. Thanks, Chuck Toad.

But I wasn't the tiniest bit mad at MTP because, regardless, they gave Sanders air time. And, the more people hear him, the better.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
68. He was just on Fox News Sunday
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:21 PM
Apr 2015

He didn't fall for any of their nonsense and did a good job promoting his message.

mopinko

(70,175 posts)
4. he is a free man. his lack of party affiliation means that
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:55 AM
Apr 2015

nobody has been leaning on him to tow the party line. a stark contrast.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Well, if he runs as a Democrat he has a party affiliation
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

He'll be running as a "Democrat." That's a party affiliation. D'oh.

mopinko

(70,175 posts)
18. duh.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

i am talking about his long and illustrious career so far.

and stop saying if. that is completely disingenuous. and transparent.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
41. I have zero agenda. I'm happy to have Sanders run as a Democrat.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:44 PM
Apr 2015

I am simply correcting a misstatement of fact. Duh

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
31. If Bernies is a freeman, why is going to use the Dem's get elected
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015


If he was to good for Dem's to join all these years, why
should Dem accept him as one of them.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
38. He has explained this several times.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:16 PM
Apr 2015

Because of Citizens United, there's almost no way a candidate can run as an Independent and have enough money to get his views out, especially a candidate like Bernie. He also points out that it wd be very difficult if not impossible for him to get on the ballot in every state and then get enough people to manage his campaign in every state.

He has thought it thru I think and has decided, I think rightly, that the risk is worth it.

Even if he fails to get the Dem nod, he will have at least made his views known and this will force the so-called Dems to take another long hard look at the issues they are running on. It will help keep the floor from tilting so far right that the average worker and the average citizen will never again have a chance to have their needs and opinions aired.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
43. Bernies views have been know for 30 years: If he was A Dem he should have joinned
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:51 PM
Apr 2015


Now, when He needs Dem's he wants to make use of a Party has
been working for his interest all along!

We Dem's worked in the party all along, should have to say as to whether
we want him!

He seems to have to snobby to join until down when he wants something!!

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
48. Name one Democrat that has voted for our interests more times than has Bernie Sanders??
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015

He has caucused with the Democratic since the time he first arrived in the Senate. What the hell are you talking about??

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
63. Hillary has voted more times with Dem's because she is a Dem: and a loyal one!
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015


She has worked with in party, even in the bad times, she never quit,
and she kept fighting when the Dem's lost over and over to the GOP
Hillary and Bill had the most successful Presidency in history, it was
because they worked for the middle class, that is why the whole country
got rich, not just the rich.

They were able help the more American's at one time, than any other Presidency:
(expt FDR

Bernie, cannot out do Hillary in loyalty to the Dem party!! He just joining now!!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
69. LOL! Good one. Except Bernie is loyal to the people, and the ideals of the Democratic party B4 DLC
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:38 PM
Apr 2015

In other words, he is more Of a true democrat than the DLCer HRC is, which is why Wall Street loves her.
She is for Wall Street, fracking, outsourcing, trade deals, war..... He is for the people.

mopinko

(70,175 posts)
50. why shouldnt they?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

he has caucused with them the whole time he was in the senate. but staying independent freed him from that party pressures that make everyone else a dino according to du.
i have no problem accepting him.

but hang on to your bogus issue if it makes you feel better.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
103. He's caucused with Democrats in both the Senate and the House (still) and has
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:25 AM
Apr 2015

spoken out for their causes. Even though they tried and tried to defeat him when he was Mayor of Vermont. They even joined hands with Republicans to run one candidate between them to try to knock him out and he still won and still cooperates with them. He's been so useful to them (and so successful in winning elections) that they don't even run anyone against him in Vermont anymore.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. His lack of prior affiliation? I'm guessing/hoping he registered as a Democrat before
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:17 AM
Apr 2015

formally announcing he was running as a Democrat.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
6. The corporate media may ignore him,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:59 AM
Apr 2015

but plain spoken truth has its ways of being heard. The people are desperate for an authentic voice from an authentic leader.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
77. yes, this is very true
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:16 PM
Apr 2015

sincerity cuts through lots and lots of barriers or boundaries. especially amongst those who have learned to rely on their common sense and trust to make a living for themselves. this is also very true amongst many of the marginalized people in our country have a real radar for sincerity.

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
99. "Corporate media" - thank you.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:41 AM
Apr 2015

I have been fond of that term for many years. Much more accurate than "mainstream media."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
104. I am not sure they can, realistically, if there is enough buzz IRL and in social media.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:26 AM
Apr 2015

No one wants to make the man behind the curtain too obvious to all of America.

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. Setting aside your optimism for a practical question here.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

You make the claim that, "The American people are ready to look beyond the Party label". Yet the nation has never been as polarized as it is now, or so rigidly separated into the queues of red and blue, and divided by factions battling other factions, that our political ideologies have spilled over into almost every aspect of our lives.

What do you foresee will be Sander's plan to unite so many disparate philosophies so that he can overcome the frontrunners clear majority?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. How about the philosophy of common sense and the truth.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:41 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie Sanders doesn't try to please this group or that group. He just really is a good person. He really is honest.

He is not going to plan to unite so many disparate philosophies. He is just going to be the candidate you can trust to be honest and to listen to your point of view and try to work with you while holding to American values.

He isn't going to worry about overcoming the front-runners clear majority with some clever ad campaign. He is just going to be himself. Take it or leave it. That is how he has always gotten elected as an independent social democrat in what was before his election a pretty conservative state. Vermont elected mostly Republican senators even during the Great Depression. And then there is Bernie. Patrick Leahy was also pretty liberal, but also very independent.

We shall see how his approach sells. It is something different. I am volunteering for him. I think he will appeal to a lot of people who don't vote because the candidates are such phonies with their huge production companies and phony, phony ads.

appalachiablue

(41,161 posts)
81. Good post. Bernie's authenticity, integrity & concern for the people comes through foremost.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:24 PM
Apr 2015

I like Leahy too, a Dem. but fairly independent as you say. Some here have questions Re social democrat vs. democratic socialist as in European usage. It helps me to emphasize democrat, with putting the social in front. Akin to the opposite, corporate democrat. There's many kinds of Dems.- social, centrist, New Dem., corporate, FDR, JFK, environmental/green. *The 'socialist' term will become an issue soon, for sure.

-Appa

merrily

(45,251 posts)
107. JDPriestly has a habit of making good posts.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:38 AM
Apr 2015
The 'socialist' term will become an issue soon, for sure.


Sure. But it's been being said about Obama for 8 years.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
112. You're objecting to my complimenting JDPriestly, a fellow DUer? ok
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:54 AM
Apr 2015

It often amazes me what motivates a relatively infrequent poster to post.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
113. Oh no, sorry I wan't very clear.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:21 PM
Apr 2015

I was referring to the empty labeling of Bernie as a socialist as the tired and over used it is. And I awlays take time to read JDPriestly posts. Always thoughtful and succinct.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
9. I wish I had your optimism about Bernie...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:03 AM
Apr 2015

But I really can't see 65 Million people voting for him to win the presidency. I would love him as POTUS but socialism is a toxic word to Americans.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
25. Americans tend to vote against their own self interests thanks to being manipulated by the MSM
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

But one never knows. Maybe people are sick of being lied to.......

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
71. Perfect time for America to hear the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

It needs to be corrected in American schools too, same time Sanders corrects it before the public.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. I think that many will ignore the party label in favor of how each candidate stands on the issues.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:30 AM
Apr 2015

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
17. If someone had told me after
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

9/11 that in a few years we would elect a President whose middle name was Hussein, I'd have laughed in his face. Time has a way of changing perspectives.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
26. I think he'll do better than Kucinich in the primaries
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:18 PM
Apr 2015

and not just because there will be fewer candidates in the race. He has more gravitas than Kucinich, and I think having MSNBC on for a good 10+ years now has given Democratic candidates an outlet to practice and improve their delivery for televised audiences. Back in 2004, MSNBC having liberals at night was something new and novel.

No way Bernie can win the nomination or GE, though.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. He got elected in Vermont, a state that sent mostly Republicans
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:45 PM
Apr 2015

to the Senate for decades, since the Republican Party was founded until Patrick Leahy and then Bernie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Vermont

Bernie's seat was solid Republican until he ran.

Leahy's seat was also pretty solid Republican until Leahy ran.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
35. I don't think that's as true now as it used to be
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:58 PM
Apr 2015

Millennials don't remember the cold war, for the most part, and whilst they may not be about to fly a hammer and sickle flag in their backyards, they at least don't shrink from the s-word like Dracula from a crucifix the way previous generations did.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
74. Remember
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:35 PM
Apr 2015

Repugs have no idea what "socialism" means...actually, most Americans don't know...They should read more about Finland...

GO, BERNIE, GO

merrily

(45,251 posts)
105. From 2007 on, Obama was called a Kenyan, a Muslim AND a socialist and he won twice.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:34 AM
Apr 2015

Also, it's not impossible to point out the huge difference between socialism and Democratic socialism.

People say this can fly only in Vermont. However, I've been to Vermont. The rich and poor and middle class people of Vermont are no different from people anywhere else. They need jobs, food, shelter, medical care, affordable college educations for kids who want them, equal rights and they are sick of wars.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. I agree with you. There is a Populist Movement just waiting for a leader. I think Sen Sanders
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:07 AM
Apr 2015

might be that leader. The problem, as he has mentioned, is that he will represent a great threat to the Plutocratic Oligarchy and they have unlimited resources to throw at him. And they have the Corp-Media at their disposal. We must provide grassroots support for him to survive.

Volunteer here: https://berniesanders.com/volunteer/ This is our chance for a president that will represent the people.

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
28. Ya and because of that he's going to be attacked by both parties.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

He's a threat even from an awareness standpoint. In a national election he gets a very big microphone to drop some truth. The masters minions will do their bidding to ensure the public thinks he is an old senile man, who just doesn't "get" the way the world works now. They'll ensure that even if he does win the stage is set for 60% of congress to oppose him on everything whipping up the uninformed populace with that still ingrained fear of communism and insuring we have another 4 years of slowing sliding towards oblivion.

Are we desperate enough to open our eyes this time? That will be the question over the next 16 months.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. People are pretty disgusted with the status quo. Obama was an outsider
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:48 PM
Apr 2015

from the point of view of most voters (even though his campaign was well organized). Americans are in a mood for outsiders and really unhappy about what the established parties have done and are doing. That's why you see the Congress change hands election after election. Individual seats are safe because people are loyal to their locally elected representatives and senators as people. But voters are very unhappy with the status quo and cling to every absurd rumor. There is a sense that our politicians are bought out and not very honest. That opens space for Bernie who just can't be bothered to put on a show and lie.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
46. YES!
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

It's up to us to make up for the lack of corporate ca$h by spreading the word. Talk to your friends and family. Educate. Don't think a principled, liberal candidate can't win. To me, this is the last gasp for democracy in this country. If we can't get a candidate who matches the values and fights for the 99%, it's time to hang it up.

And anyone who thinks we won't get a lot of people who will never vote for Jeb Bush is crazy. They are putting up a candidate so bad, that it won't take much to beat him. What it will take is energizing all those who came out to vote in 2008 again. And maybe Bernie's independent spirit and unshakeable integrity can do that.

jalan48

(13,877 posts)
12. I'm glad Bernie is in and I hope he is able to get his message out to the public at large.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:21 AM
Apr 2015

It will be interesting to see how the media deals with him. I hope he doesn't get the Howard Dean "scream" approach, out of context sound bites making him appear a bit deranged. It's amazing how good the media is at derailing a candidate's message.

mopinko

(70,175 posts)
21. it will be interesting. hopefully they will remember
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

that all his past appearances, and there are many, are out there for comparison.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
72. But Bernie excels at speaking at Wall St.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

dressing these fools down when they need it.

Greenspan



and Bernanke


if enough people see him in action, he will draw people from both sides.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. and never forget, what roles will the others play in clintons run IF she were to win.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:49 AM
Apr 2015

i see such grandness for our dems. i do. i am excited about all this. lets keep in mind during all this, even in dem battle, 2008, clinton and kerry became parts of obama. again. inclusive. i can so see both sanders and warren doing what they love, with clinton administration.

i am also learning that clinton, is not bill. i am processing that clinton was first married to bill, so there is a responsibility to step back and support bills run. then she worked for a state, independent. we can see a lot of where she would go. but then, she became an employee of obama. so, she had a responsibility to curtail her path for the boss.

these are realities i am thinking thru now.

anyway....

sanders.

i was having an absolute blast with sanders when my 17 yr old came home. i know sanders is the one for our youth. he is the obama of 2008 for our youth.

energize. get them jazzed. the dean of 2004.

my son will be voting for the first time.

he is not a supporter of clinton cause he kinda sees her the way we have all projected her. and it is not accurate. i like accurate. especially when teaching my boys. i am going to have to suggest he curtail his preconceived notions and openmindedly start listening to her and recognizing what she has said and done in the past. we are not informed accurately, or enough, i am seeing.

so. he is getting politically informed. it is gonna be dem. not a repug to be had. (living in the panhandle of texas, that matters with a soon to be 18 yr old white boy.) he dismissed clinton. i told him about sanders probably jumping in. he says.... but he is a socialist. he wont win. i told him, he is no more than an 80's dem. that we do not know what will happen, with support. my son gets that. has studied all this.

we were talking this morning about sanders. son just found out sanders announced. he is excited sanders is in the race. i tell him, i am way ahead and already on board. plotting. (gotta let the boys know, i know). he says, but sanders is old. i say, that is what they are saying he will be perceived as, so he is a fail before start. to simply dismiss sanders run. i see him more as the cool old professor sittin around you kids, listening to you, and talking with you. how fuggin awesome to have someone that i think.... hears you.

it is ON.... for my son. now, i am going to watch today and see how that develops. cause my son is gonna take this to his school, his voting age peers, cause he is way ahead of them. he will be taking it to the teachers, that all sit around, having these discussions with the kids. (and shame on those attacking teachers that they do not encourage critical thinking. if the kid wants, the teacher is all there. even in the very republican leanings, as teachers, respectful).

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
23. I couldn't agree more. I predict a groundswell rising against establishment oligarchs.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:57 AM
Apr 2015

I couldn't be happier.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
24. Bernie has been speaking with voters all over the country, so...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:00 PM
Apr 2015

he must think that the people are ready. k&r

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
29. The MSM will come out sharply more derisively toward the progressive wing of the party
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

And populists in general. This could have the effect of the corporatists of both parties being so obviously at odds with the working class even party differences will matter less, other than for the extreme nutjobs on the right.

As it is now, the MSM ( the corporate media ) only sneer at us in the form of pseudo-enlightened boilerplate as they wag their fingers at the populists over opposition to the TPP; telling us to "face facts" and succumb to the third-way agenda on economic policy ( supply-side / rentier globalism )

If Bernie runs, both the corporatist democratic wing and obviously the MSM will go into absolute code-red alert. Their contempt for the working class will be bare, and it will be strident. Let's see if they want to go there.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
30. They're already using "viable candidates" to throw shade at Bernie...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:38 PM
Apr 2015

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This on Morning Tool today.

Just remember people, the dirty fucking hippies were right - so right that they had to be sidelined.

We can't let it happen again.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
36. My mistake
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:06 PM
Apr 2015

That's always been my mistake, that I KNEW what the American people were thinking. Like in 1980 when I KNEW that Reagan could never win. You are making several assumptions.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
39. I would love someone to explain to me how America is not already a Socialist country.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:16 PM
Apr 2015

Socialism in America does not always benefit just the poor and Middle Class but the wealthy. Right now I think it benefits the wealthy in deference to the so called "Job Creators" as advocated by the Republican Socialists.

I like Bernie Sanders but need to be convinced he would make a good President. As to the charge he is a Socialist so what he is just one of many different kinds.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
42. About 5 years ago
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

We had the pleasure in meeting Mr Sanders in a small store in Vermont, the one thing for us that stood out about him was his sincerity about issues he was discussing with others in the store. I am sorry to report this ( LOL) is he is the real deal in my opinion, the man truly cares is the only way to sum it up.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
45. I feel good about the news that Bernie is going to throw his hat in the ring
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:54 PM
Apr 2015

He gives me hope for my Grand daughter that maybe just maybe we'll get our shit together before she reaches adulthood.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
47. I'm so glad he is running. He brings issues to the table that no one else will address...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

and if Warren stumps for him...on Wall Street issues then we on the Left finally have a voice.

I just hope Foreign Policy issues can be discussed because that's really important to many of us on the Left who are sick of money going for Endless Wars and Death & Destruction of Innocents caught up in all of it. Drones, Secrecy in Government, Silencing Whistleblowers, and Militarization of our Police and Government, NSA Spying, Crookedness on Wall Street and the fight for Overturning Citizens United.

We know all of our Democrats will be strong on Social Issues, LBGT and Women's Rights but the other issues I mentioned have not been addressed. It's long past time we rolled back the Bush Militarization of Government.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
53. Has to have money and lots of it.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

Did we get a dedicated forum for him yet?

We need links to his donation sites, just like we should do for Hillary

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
56. Bernie Sanders is just another white male!
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
Apr 2015


Many Americans are satisfied with the Democratic party: its the GOP that is
the problem. I want a loyal Democrat as head of the party not, Bernie
Sanders, he just joining to get elected.

.
Like Dukkis, Bernie will put the GOP in the white house!!

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
59. It will be interesting to see what the polling does
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:57 PM
Apr 2015

following Senator Sanders' announcement and the first primaries. If he will have a chance, we should see an immediate jump in his polling in the first round after the announcement and increasing results from then until the first primary. While polls are not an absolute indicator of actual results, they do provide useful information about general trends.

If Sanders trends upwards in the polling, starting with a jump after his announcement, there will be reason for optimism about his chances. If there is no jump or upward trend, it will be equally clear that his is not going to prevail.

Polling will be a better measure than enthusiastic postings from his supporters. I'll be interested to see polling numbers, starting with the very next primary polling of Democratic voters.

PufPuf23

(8,805 posts)
62. I hope Bernie does surprise
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:33 PM
Apr 2015

He has my vote.

expect him to get treated by media as a non-viable / stunt candidate

I am sure he is serious and thank you Bernie.

Lets get DU behind Bernie

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
67. if Hillary is the juggernaut some of her supporters say she is
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:40 PM
Apr 2015

Then they need not be worried about Bernie. Granted, Hillary will need to trot out left wing appeals, which oddly enough, and thankfully enough, she is, though I bet the Mark Penns and James Carvilles of the world are reaching for the Scotch.

Worst case scenario is that Bernie acts like a good sparring partner that will make sure that she gets her left hook in tune, instead of leaning too much to the right. That left hook, underutilized by the democrats, is exactly what we need to TKO the GOP.

And if Bernie wins, well, just like Obama proved his stuff by taking out Hillary, so will Bernie.

This is a win win folks...

mvd

(65,179 posts)
78. I hope you are right
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:19 PM
Apr 2015

If the country is ready for a Bernie Presidency, we have made great progress indeed! K&R

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
89. This country elected the first black President - twice...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:47 PM
Apr 2015

For what it's worth.

In my opinion, it does show an inclination to be more open-minded as a country. I do not think Bernie Sanders will be judged as something less than what a Democrat or a Republican might be judged? At least, I hope not.

It's a whole new generation. The WWII generation is almost gone. The Millennials are the last of the WWII generation or they are the beginning of a new generation?

In my opinion, our country has gone thru a generational change. They think differently than generations before them.

mvd

(65,179 posts)
90. Yes true about that
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:56 PM
Apr 2015

Country showed progress there for sure in electing President Obama.

But the recent election results still have me cynical about the electorate. Lots of ignorance. Let's hope young people lead the way.

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
119. check out the chambers brothers post down below.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:56 PM
Apr 2015

the relevance of the 60s is more evident today than I ever thought.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
91. in fact, I think he will appeal to conservatives so much that he could win if he ran as a Republican
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:04 AM
Apr 2015

but what do I know?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
93. It's not "common sense", it's the truth.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:08 AM
Apr 2015

What he is doing is recalibrating common sense to bring it into alignment with a reality other than the one carefully constructed by the media industry.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
100. What I hope to see
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:51 AM
Apr 2015

First, let Bernie's record and positions spread on social media to get millenials excited and engaged. Second, get him a lot of cash early on to propel that momentum to all ages. The fact-based ads he's sure to run will rein in a lot of support. I want to hear pundits say "Senator Sanders is outpacing every candidate, Republican and Democratic, in fund raising this quarter."
Oh yeahhhhhhh.

Billsmile

(404 posts)
108. When The Media Screams "Socialist"
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:17 AM
Apr 2015

I'm hoping that Sanders will point out that what he's advocating for is;

1) Is a positions held by the majority of Americans,

and

2) Is a position held by a prior administration (be it the Republican Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, the Republican Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.).

Sanders brings up point #1 constantly, and point #2 might get the media to question its "Socialist" name-calling antics.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
109. I see enthusiasm for Bernie
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:34 AM
Apr 2015

Just judging from Facebook and threads on DU, it's plain that Bernie generates excitement, whereas Hillary generates grudging acceptance.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
110. Bernie speaks directly to the people.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

I feel the people will speak back for him. Spread the word to all who will listen and look for the shift in the polls.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
115. Call it the "Wellstone effect."
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:09 PM
Apr 2015

When people actually heard Wellstone talk even many who could never have imagined voting for him before became enthusiastic supporters. Why? He was HONEST with people and they had no doubts where he stood whether they were in total agreement or not. He didn't back down and he told people the TRUTH. Bernie is cut from exactly the same cloth.

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
116. In all honesty
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:26 PM
Apr 2015

WE the people appreciate common sense and straight talk, and there are millions of us that know we're getting the shaft from business, the government and our bosses(at times) WE are not stupid, no matter where each of us comes from and the coolest thing is, there are a lot of boomers that know what it was like 50 years ago, and we know what Social Security and Medicare are about and what's happening to them. It's time,

It's time for a real change in this country. We are the richest, wealthiest country on the earth for the longest time can we finally come into the 20th freaking century in our social services?

Bernie Sanders has this carpenters vote in the primary and the general if he gets that far.

We still have to get the pukes outa congress and the USSC


Cue up the Chambers Brothers.

onethatcares

(16,178 posts)
118. thank you so very much
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:54 PM
Apr 2015

that song rocks.

Time has come today................................................................to try to change the movement of our country.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................again.


Go Bernie, GO>

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