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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:13 AM Apr 2015

Interesting economic facts about Baltimore

I used to work there before David Simon blew through, so I've always been kind of fascinated by the nation's fetishization of Baltimore's alleged poverty.

(These data are all taken from the American Cities' Business Journal's report on income inequality from last year.) (Also all "rest of the nation" comparisons are limited to cities larger than 100,000.) (Also also, the US Census is always a great place to double-check and expand on things like this.)

Baltimore's household poverty rate is 11.3% (with a 23.8% personal poverty rate); this is 1 percentage point below the national average. Let that sink in for a second. Baltimore's poverty rate is lower than most cities'. (This kind of reminds me of how Ferguson has a lower crime rate than most US towns.) In Milwaulkee it's 29%. (I use Milwaulkee as a comparison a lot because they're roughly the same size and have similar industrial histories.)

In Baltimore, the top 20% of earners take home 48% of income. In Milwaulkee it's 49%. In Oklahoma City it's 50%. The national average is 49%.

The GINI index (a measure of income inequality; higher means more inequality) in Baltimore is .4498, which is above the nation's index as a whole of .4102 -- but that's nearly always true for cities (Portland's is .4443, and Seattle's is .4458). I want that to sink in too: Portland and Seattle have GINI indexes that are essentially indistinguishable from Baltimore's, whereas Miami, Durham, Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Chicago, etc. are significantly higher (in the .49's) and places like NYC and SFO are off the charts (in the .50's).

Baltimore also had 5 low income families for every high income family (the "LI/HI" ratio), which is nationally very low (a low LI/HI is a good LI/HI). Buffalo, NY has 18. Modesto, CA has 20. Youngstown, OH has 44(!).

Baltimore has horrible, corrupt, violent police officers and high crime, but it is neither a poor nor a high-inequality city by national standards.

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Interesting economic facts about Baltimore (Original Post) Recursion Apr 2015 OP
Interesting. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #1
Abysmal. Very high heroin and meth use and addiction rates. Recursion Apr 2015 #2
high drug use rates in the inner cities has been a fact for many years now. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #3
Yeah, though what do you do about the currently incarcerated then? Recursion Apr 2015 #4
Good point. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #5
It is not a defect... it is a feature nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #6
I don't know. Our brains frequently misunderstand emergent systems Recursion Apr 2015 #8
From talking to way to many activists nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #9
Why do you think I "wouldn't like" that? Recursion Apr 2015 #10
China has a larger absolute population I think, but ours is larger per capita Recursion Apr 2015 #7

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Abysmal. Very high heroin and meth use and addiction rates.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:30 AM
Apr 2015

Though Milwaulkee is roughly the same. (This may be a post-industrial rust belt symptom?)

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. high drug use rates in the inner cities has been a fact for many years now.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:52 AM
Apr 2015

the result of it is the obscenely high rate of incarceration of minorities.
And is one reason efforts to legalize drugs have stalled.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. Yeah, though what do you do about the currently incarcerated then?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:46 AM
Apr 2015

Several hundred thousand (mostly) men who have been denied education and careers, and exposed to a brutal environment for years.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. Good point.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:21 PM
Apr 2015

In a just world.......

but yes, in our current reality, the system has created a difficult problem, given we cannot even give adequate employment to people now.

And I think I read that the current prison pop. was in the millions....some article about USA being #1 in the world.

rah, rah, retch.....

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. It is not a defect... it is a feature
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

The system has created a system of control... and to reverse the gains of the civil rights era.

This is not my view, this is the view of people like Michelle Alexander.

So to quote a young activist last night, "this is not a bug, it's a feature."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. I don't know. Our brains frequently misunderstand emergent systems
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015
this is the view of people like Michelle Alexander[/blockquote

Proof by authority is the weakest sort, according to Boethius.

If that wasn't your view, what is your view?
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. From talking to way to many activists
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:56 PM
Apr 2015

And reading academic material (and you won't like it) this is about apartheid and white supremacy.

As to the rest of what you posted as a critique, blah, blah blah.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Why do you think I "wouldn't like" that?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:59 PM
Apr 2015

I mean, I don't like that the US is structurally a white supremacist country, but I have to agree that it is.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. China has a larger absolute population I think, but ours is larger per capita
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015


Then again I'd love to see somebody put forward social work, rehabilitation, and jobs training for released drug offenders as a massive "stimulus" public works program.
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