Wouldn't it be awesome if Elizabeth Warren dropped a bomb and jumped in?

[whatchamacallit]

... sent the inevitable-one packing, and shut down the 22 year neoliberal clusterfuck? A guy can dream can't he?

[DJ13]

1. ... sent the inevitable-one packing, and shut down the 22 year neoliberal clusterfuck?

We thought thats what Obama represented in 08, but unlike Obama, I think Warren has the integrity to follow through on her promises.

Count me in!

[JI7]

2. what is this "we" ? both obama and clinton were unpopular on DU

it was kucnich and edwards who had a lot of support. obama was never viewed as or treated the way warren is on here.

obama was always treated before the election as he is now. those who actually paid attention would not be surprised at anything he has done.

[ScreamingMeemie]

5. I haven't wholeheartedly supported anyone since Howard Dean, and I don't see that

changing any time soon, sadly.

I am pulling for Chafee to enter the race (if only to make make Hillary answer the tough questions even), and I'd actually become active with both money and time again if that happens. I'd gladly vote for Warren. Clinton? She gets a vote to win the football game, and that's it. Not a thin dime and not a step on the pavement or a knock on a door.

[sabrina 1]

13. He was by me. I was a fan of Obama since before he became a Senator.

I loved Kucinich, still do but he is way too ahead of his time for a country like this.

I didn't think Obama had a chance in the beginning, but was thrilled when he decided to run anyhow.

He was talking about all the right issues, and the night he won, my MIL and FIL (who I talked into voting for him) cried.

Now, I feel betrayed. I watch him bash good Democrats and I can't believe this is the same person we all worked so hard for.

Not sure I want Warren to run as she is badly needed in the Senate and we need at least 40 more like her and Bernie.

But as an enthusiastic supporter of Obama I couldn't be more disappointed.

[DJ13]

46. You echo my thoughts about Obama

All those hundreds of thousand people standing there in the park in Chicago the night he won, all the hundreds of thousands attending his Inaugural, all the 50+ million who voted for him couldnt have thought he was as conservative as he ended up, and a great many wont forget the betrayal in 2016 either.

[CTyankee]

18. I was early on for Edwards...what a letdown he turned out to be!

That whole episode with him and elizabeth...ugh...

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. But that was way back then ...

no one will remember that. Right?

[LWolf]

39. Nobody who was paying any attention thought that. nt

[NanceGreggs]

3. Awesome indeed.

Once she "jumped in", we would all finally know her thoughts on foreign affairs, the role of diplomacy, urban renewal, military spending, defense, terrorism, education, rebuilding the infrastructure, the appropriate use (or non-use) of military force, the use of currently illegal drugs, police brutality, how to handle our relationships with China and Russia, how to deal with the crises in the Middle East - ya know, ALL the things people should know about a potential POTUS.

THAT would be a start, dontcha think?

[MannyGoldstein]

6. What's Hillary's position on the TPP? nt

[morningfog]

7. What are Hillary's positions? nt

[NanceGreggs]

37. Hillary's positions are not the point of my comment.

The point being that those who think Warren should be POTUS are basing their support on -- well, on what exactly?

Someone posted here a few weeks ago - and I am paraphrasing from memory here - that if a politician is progressive on one issue, that means one can rely on their being progressive on all issues. It is that assumption that causes people to project an alignment with their positions onto a politician they like/admire - without actually knowing what that politician's own positions actually are.

To say, "I think Warren would be a great president, despite my not knowing her position on all sorts of issues a president will be involved with and make decisions on," is as politically naive as it gets.

We've both seen the "I won't support ______ candidate because their positions are not in keeping with my own."
And yet they are willing to support Warren without knowing what her positions are on many key issues, simply based on their assumption that her unspoken positions are in perfect sync with their own.

[morningfog]

44. How is that not so?

Your comment was this:

Once she (Warren) "jumped in", we would all finally know her thoughts on foreign affairs, the role of diplomacy, urban renewal, military spending, defense, terrorism, education, rebuilding the infrastructure, the appropriate use (or non-use) of military force, the use of currently illegal drugs, police brutality, how to handle our relationships with China and Russia, how to deal with the crises in the Middle East - ya know, ALL the things people should know about a potential POTUS.

THAT would be a start, dontcha think?

Those that think Hillary should be POTUS are basing their support on -- well, on what exactly?

What are Hillary's positions on the above litany?

Here's her campaign site, where she asks for your money and your time to volunteer in joining her to make her a champion:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

As you will see, there is not one single tab or link for "policies" or "positions" or, hell, even "issues" that matter to her. Certainly, she doesn't tell us "her thoughts on foreign affairs, the role of diplomacy, urban renewal, military spending, defense, terrorism, education, rebuilding the infrastructure, the appropriate use (or non-use) of military force, the use of currently illegal drugs, police brutality, how to handle our relationships with China and Russia, how to deal with the crises in the Middle East," does she?

[NanceGreggs]

45. Again you deflect attention away from Warren ...

... and talk about Hillary instead.

HRC has been in the public eye since 1979, when she became First Lady of Arkansas - a span of 36 years to date. Her position on many issues has been known, and in her tenure as First Lady, then a NY senator, then SoS she has demonstrated who she is, and what she stands for.

Elizabeth Warren is a relative unknown to voters. So the question remains: belief that EW would make a good president is based on exactly what?

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Shockingly ...

She is, generally, in favor of trade agreements; but, she has indicated that she wants to wait and see what is in the TPP, before forming an opinion on whether it is/will be good or bad.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Well we know Hillary's thoughts on those things

and most of her positions blow.

[NanceGreggs]

9. Well, whether you think ...

... they "blow" or not, at least we know what they are.

And according to the polls thus far, most Democrats don't think they "blow" at all.

[sabrina 1]

14. Could you tell us what they are? I know O'Malley's positions on most of the

issues and I only heard him twice talking about them. But I don't know, eg, if Hillary supports the CPI. I don't know where she stands on the TPP.

Her stand on minorities, women, AAs is the same as all Democrats, that is a given for Democrats.

But I'm glad others are going to be announcing as that is good for democracy, and she will be asked as they all should, where they stand on every issue.

So far, I like O'Malley, but still want to hear more on other issues.

[mahina]

36. I like O'Malley too, but his website and videos suck.

His clips suck. He comes off not at 'll well, and he is way better than he appears in them . Come on, O'Malley team, it costs almost nothing now to make a good vid. You can use your damn phone. Yikes.

I gave him some money with the note above, roughly.

[Enthusiast]

22. Hillary wants to raise the retirement age to 72. Maybe that's just a nasty rumor.

I guess we will never know until she comments.

[leftofcool]

10. But, but TPP............

[sabrina 1]

15. CPI, where does she stand on that?

I know already where O'Malley stands on all those issues. He was very clear, which I liked. No waffling or 'I'm waiting to see'. He seems to have some firm convictions which is good.

Glad he's going to run. Don't know much about Chafee, but like his stand on Foreign Policy. I'll listen to him when he announces also. And I hope more join the race. We need a choice and DEBATE of the issues.

[Autumn]

4. I would love for her to jump in the race.

The debates would be awesome.

[whatchamacallit]

11. Ya

they would be

[SoCalDem]

16. Her "time" is 2020 (after a one-term of Jeb)...

and she will win.....

[Laelth]

17. I don't see any Republican winning the Oval Office in 2016.

The electoral demographics of the country just don't support a Republican victory. In 2024, after the two terms of our next Democratic President, Elizabeth Warren will be 74 years young. If she ever wants to be President, she needs to run in 2016.

If she does not want to be President, I hope she stays in the Senate for a long time.

-Laelth

[underahedgerow]

33. Jeb doesn't have to win, remember, he's a bush. But he will be the next President unless

people derail the koch brothers. Not sure how that's going to happen.

[BrotherIvan]

43. We are forgetting this on DU

Republicans winning a national Presidential election is almost statistically impossible now. Whomever wins the Democratic primary just has to not mess it up to win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. If Jeb wins it means he has mitigated losses among Latinos...

And if he goes on to not merely mitigate losses among Latinos but to consolidate that vote for Republicans he will not only be re-elected in 2024 but the Republicans will control every level of government into infinity.

[brooklynite]

19. The problem with dreaming is that you eventually wake us...

if continually sharing dreams with people who believe everything you do makes you happy, knock yourself out. You're still going to have to choose among the candidates in the real world.

[Logical]

23. Well, "choose" means getting stuck with Hillary. nt

[brooklynite]

25. Weel, you have Webb, Chafee and O'Malley...

...and possibly Sanders. And if those don't appeal to you, you have the right to make a serious effort to get another candidate in. But that'll take more than dreaming...

[Logical]

29. Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008, confident she can do it again. nt

[brooklynite]

35. Hillary got as many votes as Obama

...confident she can do that again...and since there isn't an Obama running, confident she can add to that. And that's based in hard analysis, not dreams.

[Logical]

40. Lost 30 point lead. Think about it. Wow! nt

[brooklynite]

41. Who's the dynamic, well-funded candidate she'll lose it to?

[Logical]

42. I hope a real liberal. But I agree, she has the big wall street money behind her. So she has.....

the nomination bought.

[Enthusiast]

20. That would be awesome!

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[SidDithers]

21. Clap for Tinkerbell!! Clap as hard as you can!!...nt

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

34. Ah Sir Sidric!

Come, give "heed"...

[blm]

26. Would applaud and support her candidacy….

as I respect her decision to not run….at this time.

[rock]

27. It would be nice but no bomb

We really need to get some variety of candidates otherwise Hillary will have no motivation to give the people what they want.

[Logical]

30. Hillary will never give us what we want, but maybe just tell us she will. nt

[rock]

38. What are you basing that on?

That certainly doesn't describe her behavior of the past.

[betterdemsonly]

32. I really hope she is setting up a pretext for a run

Hillary brags of having negotiated TPP, at thee state department.