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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnnouncement: I have decided to remain uncommitted
First, please forgive the self-involved nature of this thread. I have an announcement I would like to make. I do not care whom anyone here votes for president. Vote for Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley, Webb, Nader, write in Warren, Gore, anyone you want. I do not seek to influence your vote in anyway. I do not have a candidate, and I am unlikely to make my own decision until shortly before I caucus. I have a couple of them in mind, but it is way too early for me to decide. I will support the Democratic nominee, but I want it publicly known that I truly do not care that much about who gets the nomination. Most of all, I really, really don't care whom any of you votes for. That is entirely your own choice, as are your reasons for making it.
I say this because people seem to be misinterpreting much of what I write and looking for heretical signs of crypto-Clintonian support. Now, I do not dislike Clinton, and I have defended her against what I see as unfair attacks. That, however, doesn't mean I have decided to vote for her. I simply do not dislike her, no more than I dislike Sanders, O'Malley or any other candidate. People should not mistake a failure to despise as support. Do not scour my posts thinking I'm making some case for a presidential candidate, when I haven't even made up my own mind. If you want to go at it with a Clinton supporter, find someone who openly supports her. I will continue to post about issues and dynamics that interest me, but individual politicians have never mattered that much to me. I just don't see them as nearly as important as broader issues and social forces.
Okay? Thanks for your cooperation.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)That is the crucial question:
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Inquiring minds want to know.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)These days a discussion goes from zero to personal attack in milliseconds.
I am taking a fairly hard stand against forgoing a primary, I'm challenging polls, and I'm questioning the apparent conventional wisdom that we must support the front runner because _______________.
This is the time to vigorously challenge fellow progressives, even at the risk of creating some heat among friends.
But it is NOT the time to draw conclusions about one another, call others names, or accuse people of parroting RW talking points, being a troll, or whatever uncivil and unproductive behavior you can name.
It's the issues, it's the record, it's about the things we represent and the direction our party and our nation needs to take.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)but I understand some people view electability as a key issue in determining their vote, and that is their choice.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)We also nominate candidates for the House and other offices on those ballots. To send delegates to the convention, they have to be elected. The process is not Constitutionally mandated, but at the same time we could not simply 'forgo all primaries' even if we all actually agreed in advance on a Presidential nominee without replacing the one process with another process. All the rules would need to be changed to other rules.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I have generally seen it applied to people suspected of having certain political leanings. Now I shall have to scan your posts for secret references to Hillary being a...... Well, being a corporatist.
And to think that crypto-Clintonians may be heretics! We need an inquisition to investigate this.
I also like the phrase "not mistake a failure to despise as support". Very well put.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)but I recently went from radical feminist heretic to corporate sell-out heretic in a short span of time.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)babylonsister
(171,079 posts)pretty much speak for me. I find this all very interesting, but it's way too early for anything. I'm not into arguing so much anymore either, so I'll watch!
Iggo
(47,563 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Or unsure about being sure, or unsure about being unsure, or . . .
freshwest
(53,661 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)But the responses can get pretty tense.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)I had to stop at "you snorted at Michelle Obama," because I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I need to pick up some raspberry ketone before I can continue.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)From all sides. No one listening to each other. Or even acknowledging that the other side might have a decent point. It's now become like white noise, lol.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I want to see who all runs. I'm not opposed to HRC but I don't think she's necessarily the best available. I'm not one to decide until late in the game, when I've gotten all the information I can get.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Good on you.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)that has any connection to the election.
Repetition of the pros and cons of the candidates has become extremely tedious and there's lots of other good stuff being posted.
Good for you.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)fighting to take a look at themselves. My primary is over a year away, candidates are not announced, so demanding a binary reaction today to a race between several that takes place over a year from now is nothing but bullying.
Those who stand with me get my respect. So I'm not going to be bashing away at Hillary while praising those who were attacking me when my community was in great peril. Those who do such bashing and at the same time refuse to discuss their own candidate's shitty Republican background, which includes being in a Party that attacked Hillary for befriending 'militant homosexuals' before Bill even got elected.
Those white straight folks who demand that everyone do as they say are nothing new to me.
rock
(13,218 posts)Let's get some more candidates, have some debates, see what they have to offer and go from there. It's way early in the process. Not a criticism, but I see no reason to make the announcement myself.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)bluesbassman
(19,378 posts)Good gawd, did I just say that out loud?
Actually, you and I agree on many subjects, and definitely on this. :thumbs up: