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This is what we are up against...BY ANITA KUMARMCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU
Updated 04/23/2015 3:39 AM
ARLINGTON, VA. -- In a nondescript high-rise in the suburbs of Washington, a group of 20-somethings is waging war on Hillary Clinton.
Theyre tracking her every move, analyzing her utterances during decades in public life and updating a library of 1,000 videos dating to the early 1980s.
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America Rising isnt alone in its work on Clinton. She faces a trio of major independent organizations, each armed with different tools but all with the same mission: Defeat her.
The groups America Rising, Citizens United and Crossroads GPS are expected to have more money, more staff and more ways than ever to get out their message this year than in any previous presidential race.
More: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article19252827.html
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...take a look at AMERICAN BRIDGE (the only SuperPAC I give money to)
Americanbridgepac.org
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...certainly not in this context. If you're going to make things up, there's no point in wasting your money tracking a candidate. The goal is to get something juicy in her/her own words.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and not bombarded with trash about who they slept with or other personal, non-relevant information.
Paying for dirt on a politician, and we know they do it, some of our 'Security Contractors' eg, bid on contracts to smear outspoken journalists who report on the Banking Industry, eg, and here we thought they were keeping us safe or something, is despicable and should be against the law.
It interferes with the democratic process. At least they should have to declare who they are and what conflicts of interest they have. And who is funding them.
And candidates should sue them so that they are exposed in courtrooms where they can't lie. Even if they lose, the process can be used to put their faces on the front pages. Suits can be dropped after the election. Meantime they can be confronted and let the public see the deceptions big money is paying for to try to influence their choices.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...they track the candidate throughout their day and capture their statements and comments. Which strikes me a perfectly legal and appropriate. If candidate A gives you his "stand on the issue", and the next day says something different to another group, isn't that useful to know?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)facts to the public. Why do we need secret groups, with agendas, to do the work the Press is supposed to do?
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Remember George Allen's "Macaca"comment? That was caught by a tracker for Jim Webb's campaign.
Complain if you want; I'll go with the ole First Amendment...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I am a huge fan of the 1st Amendment. It protects the Press which is why a #1 issue for the public is to restore at least the Fairness Doctrine so we can start going back to Real Journalists, not memo readers such as we have on all of our 'news' media now
A real journalist would have reported accurately on Allen's remarks and it wouldn't have cost millions of dollars.
There is a real danger to these private agenda driven groups. If both sides are doing it with an agenda involved, it's a wash, isn't it? We take one of their guys and they take out one of ours. Turning politics into a childish game of 'gotcha'.
Whereas real journalism reporting from a neutral standpoint, informing of the public position, gives the people unbiased information they can then use effectively.
They lower the political discourse also, pitting people against each other sometimes blindly defending things they might normally defend if they didn't suspect it was the 'enemy' who was 'lying' about their candidate.
Too much 'managing' of the population in terms of attempting to influence with stuff to sway them this way or that, distracting from what is really important. which is why trust in our government is at such an all time low. The people know they are being managed.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Even with the best of intentions, the media has limited resources and other stories to write.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)something she never said. I've seen this movie before, lol.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)"Truthiness!"
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)"Use the confusion over the TPP and the natural tension with unions"
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)It is amazing how eager they are to create dissension in our party
erronis
(15,328 posts)Will work against their own self interests and promote the right-wing mantras and try to trip up true democracy.
I wonder if it's not like every kid on a Little League baseball team seeing themselves at some point on a professional team.
The Junior Repugs dream of being masters of all the evil empire. Someday they'll realize that they are just another poor pawn being rewarded by crappy safety nets, no health care, and no concern by their gated-community bosses.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)When I was younger I had a friend who tried to ingratiate himself to the Republican powers that be In Florida. For his efforts he got a crappy job trying to get individual retail outlets to sell lottery tickets. I believe he expected more.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)That's what's surprising.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The difference is what they're up to upsets me and not fills me with glee.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Anytime we attack Democratic candidates we give aid and comfort to the Republicans. We should support the Democratic candidates our our choice. We should refrain from using right-wing talking points to attack Democratic candidates we don't like. Focus on the positive qualities of your own favorite candidate, not the supposed flaws of another Democrat. Helping Democrats win elections should be the goal, in my opinion.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)out such things when they happen, I think it's fine. People say stuff, and others speak up to counter it. There's a broad range of political positions held by DUers. While there are a few who are trying to sabotage Democratic candidates, it's impossible to tell which people are doing that and which are just making a political point they truly believe in.
Anyhow, it's not my website, so I'm just here as a guest. People post here, and I'm one of the active posters. That's DU for you. Eventually, some of the pretenders end up being banned, but they often return with a different screen name. I don't care, really. I just post what I think, either way.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Grab, rephrase with positives, push it forward until they have to abandon it. Word tennis. Sorta.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)To make that $100M a waste of money by nominating someone else.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Warren and Sanders within a week.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)They turned Obama into a crypto Muslim who is here illegally and palled around with terrorists to his detractors.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)American. And that's just for starters. And yes I know both of those accusations are B.S. That doesnt matter to the GOP
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Rove turned a war hero (Kerry) into a feckless Naval officer who shot himself and shot a teen age combatant in the back as he ran away to his detractors...
That's one of the reasons I have faith in Team Clinton. They will fight back.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)As much as I love Bernie, he has zero chance.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)IMHO, the last more or less positive campaign they ran was in 1984 and that is because the outcome was never in dispute though they did try to dirty up Geraldine Ferraro's husband.
RecoveringJournalist
(148 posts)Let them waste their money - again.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)(Or at least it's partially already spent)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)billionaires, is nothing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They overplayed their hand on the native peoples business and weren't able to effectively roll out the rest (three cheers for the decency of Bay State voters, who recoiled in revulsion). I'm sure they've hung on to it, though. It wouldn't play well in "decent" Massachusetts, but I'll bet there'd be plenty of fans of that shit across the red states.
They'd just unpack the boxes and keep on rolling. They've got lots of money and they're determined.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)exactly what they want, don't you. No other candidate even comes close to beating every single con that has thought about running. And you think it's a good idea to give them what they want?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)her in the primary. They're flop sweating a river over her.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's way too early for polls to be anything beyond an exercise in name recognition.
Any candidate will face massive Republican opposition and spending. Wasting $100M of that spending would be helpful.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)because that's what those rat fuckers do.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Or at least a portion of it is already spent.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)The Rethugs are plotting a complete take-over of the US government. Didn't you get the memo? This has been their goal for at least 30 years.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)and spend $100 Million + on defeating Hillary, then pull someone else out at the last minute and have Hillary step back. Sure, they have a lot of money....but there is a limit there, and the more we can get them to waste now, is less they'll have to waste in the future.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)and $100m is pocket change for them
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)they obviously aren't paying attention. To weather the storm front one better have a ton of cash raised.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Common Cause and The Hill are already talking 5 billion... for some context, that is give or take a few million, my County's annual budget.
This is why I really don't care who runs at the Presidential level. The Dems could run Luke Skywalker and he would still be presented as a Sith Lord, while the Emperor will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Mind you, niether side is running either a sith lord, or luke skywalker.
Be scared, this is spreading to state and local elections too. Some of the donations for an assembly seat that is quite safe... are down right scary.
I am willing to bet my Congressional district, one of the 10 actual competitive ones, will run more than 17 million when all is said and done... it ran 17 last time around.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)which is why no contest for state houses or local boards should go unchallenged. All politics is local, and the more you do at home means the more that can get pushed up the pike later.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but some of these elections are running at a million plus. Why most folks who would love to, don't run They do not have the social or party capital to raise that amount of cash.
The reforms that I would like to see are
1.- Publicly funded elections, nobody, not Unions or corporations or you and me, personally. give money. That ends that corruption. Can bring others, but.
2.- Cut the length of the contest to four months. You think it is only the Presidential that already started? Nope.
Those two require laws, the first one an amendment. Citizens United is the Dredd Scott of our age in my mind. And why I really do not care about horse races, but the mechanics, yes. This is also why you have less and less discussion of policy and a lot of mindless bumper sticker talk.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)A vast RW conspiracy indeed. She called them out a looong time ago, and guess what, she was 100% correct.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)should this be copied...not fought or hair on fire...what could/should the Democrats do? We have great subjects...Christie, Bush, et al. Who is going to write the book that puts this together. Maybe name it Public Republican Candidate Research.
This tarnishes more than just Clinton...it tarnishes the Democratic Party and makes good candidates hesitate or decide not to run. I'm betting this is one of the major reasons Warren did not run...they would have done worse to her.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The challenge is there are so many Republicants running expecting a individual book exposing the perfidy of every one of them is unrealistic but books about Bush lll, Rubio, and Walker would be a good start.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)should be about a chapter...the most egregious/printed/vetted things. Keep it short and make the font large.
Give a bit of time, maybe we could come up with a spiffy title. I'll think about it. We could have it published by one of the Democratic PACs as opposition research...that way they pay for it themselves just to see what's in it and give Democrats some info to use...that's what they've done to her. Books are flying off the shelf, so they say. It sure made the News Cycle.
Our turn. Republican Research.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I was reading a book about Phil Jackson and the author quoted a famous quote which basically said if you look for information that makes anyone look like a scoundrel you will find it but this isn't that kind of book...
I suspect if it's a person's raison d'etre to make any politician, left or right, look like a scoundrel he or she could do it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)It is an "expose" on a presidential candidate. This is the attitude that gets me...oh, we can't to that. Yes We Can. Double Entendre noted. Just takes a writer with political skill, not running for office, and not afraid of the Republic wrath...in other words, doesn't have a job or position to lose. Although, nothing will happen this cretin who wrote the book about Hillary. I'm I not even a fan of hers, but she is the Visible Democrat...and this reflects on All Of Us.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The miscreant who wrote this book was one of Bush ll's speech writers and Sarah Palin's foreign policy advisors.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)that's a thought for the title..."Equal Time: Republican Research." So what would be wrong with that? It's not lying, it's just informing and pulling together information that is all over the place. That's what a good writer, even a miscreant, would do.
Just kidding about the equal-opportunity miscreant. I'll settle for an unknown political author looking to get noticed and make a few bucks. I know that no known author would likely dare.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)This miscreant also leaked details of the book to several Republicans including Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)out there getting bludgeoned by both Rs and Ds. And the Democrats are just outraged...so where is the Equal Time? Outrage is expected. They love it. Remember, she was the one they feared...thus...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)and his ilk.
The recent gleeful promotion here of the "Clinton Cash" smear actually shocked me. But it also opened my eyes.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)It does happen occasionally.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I will happily vote for Secretary Clinton in the GE, just for the pleasure of helping to crush these fascist PAC's.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Corporate media is gonna run with the BS "cash" book and any and all BS against her and Dems.
Also, those who believe another Democratic candidate would fair better concerning anti-money against them, and answer is No.
GOP/RW/Libertarians want a one party purity party with no Dems nor Indies nor Green or any other political group who don't have an R (GOP).
And the GOP besides other anti-American rules, laws and legislation, truly want a "World War".
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)...that her response team is not up to the task.
It took them over a week to come up with the "two phones" response to the email BS. If they had done that in the first 48 hours it might have flown. As it is now that is one more thing for the vast right wing conspiracy to use against her.
She may have the makings of a great president but she is a terrible candidate. She may very well take another election that is hers to lose, and lose it.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)That's why Repubs are trashing Hillary - and they've been doing it for over a year. All these conservative guys are going to get their a$$ handed to them by a girl and I'll be loving every minute of it!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And it matters little who the nominee is -- the Republicans will pile in with records amounts of cash for smear campaigns no matter who we eventually nominate. Just as they have always done, only the actual amount of cash is increasing at a geometric rate.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,143 posts)I'm sure they are prepared. This is why Clinton ecxperience will be invaluable.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)and the unlimited funds they will employ to defeat Democrats.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)& analyzing her every word since the start of her campaign.
Knowing Hillary and the team she has assembled, she is ready for them.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)social media is a big part of that. Those claiming to be the leftiest of the left, who constantly trash the current administration, and the possibility of another Clinton administration seem to travel in some very questionable company, and never the "Twain" shall meet.
BKH70041
(961 posts)We just held a regional Democratic Party conference last week where this was a topic. The big money and attacks on Hillary Clinton's presidential run is and will be coming from within, that is, the populists within the Democratic Party who are not happy with "corporate" candidates. These progressive populist groups are going to be the key ones trying to derail her. And there's little guarantee they will rally behind her in the general election.
elzenmahn
(904 posts)I think the cash that's behind them this time around has mutated the size of those spuds to something more resembling those overgrown pumpkins you see entered in contests.
These groups have the money and the media access. There's nothing small about them.
I would also say that the vast majority of progressives and left-independents who dislike the Clintons understand the stakes if we don't put a Dem (even Hillary) in the White House: court appointments (especially the SCOTUS), cabinet positions, the budget (if a Republican wins, say hello to the unexpurgated version of the Paul Ryan budget, in all of its hatchet in-glory), and so on.
I think we know this one is too important to sit out. At least for me, IF Hillary is the nominee, then yes, I will vote for her.
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)Florida and others. I mean you cant make that kind of shit up. They just open their mouths and remove all doubt
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Joe Barton, I think, whined enough that he got a new bill number when his sequentially assigned bill number became 666. Can't do it!!! EVIL!!!1!!
Yet these asshats are perfectly fine with Crossroads GPS, Crossroads Generation and their parent, American Crossroads. I'm sure TurdBlossom is aware of the symbology of "The Crossroads" and thinks he is quite clever.
In many mythologies, one goes to a crossroads to summon a demon to make a deal with the devil. Have to wonder how that would play with the religious right if they ever bothered to read a book.
http://goo.gl/7FO66c
Cha
(297,645 posts)to let that kind of victory happen again.
Too bad, it is.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)We knew this was coming. There is another 16 months of it coming.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)All white, mostly male. And noticeably unfit.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I am not optimistic about the next election.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I'm quite sure that some of it will find its way into DU somehow. We need to be careful about that.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)She is not the Democratic nominee and I'm surprised the proprietors of this website are carrying on as if she were. The Clintons don't give a shit about propriety and the appearance of wrongdoing. Why? Because they know their fanclub will defend their questionable behavior no matter what. Their sense of entitlement, their insistence that it is her turn, does not a nominee make.