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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:33 AM Apr 2015

Crossroads GPS, America Rising, Citizens United: The $100 Million Anti-Hillary Smear Machine

This is what we are up against...

Inside the war rooms plotting a battle against Hillary Clinton
BY ANITA KUMARMCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU
Updated 04/23/2015 3:39 AM

ARLINGTON, VA. -- In a nondescript high-rise in the suburbs of Washington, a group of 20-somethings is waging war on Hillary Clinton.

They’re tracking her every move, analyzing her utterances during decades in public life and updating a library of 1,000 videos dating to the early 1980s.

(snip)

America Rising isn’t alone in its work on Clinton. She faces a trio of major independent organizations, each armed with different tools but all with the same mission: Defeat her.

The groups – America Rising, Citizens United and Crossroads GPS – are expected to have more money, more staff and more ways than ever to get out their message this year than in any previous presidential race.

More: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article19252827.html
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Crossroads GPS, America Rising, Citizens United: The $100 Million Anti-Hillary Smear Machine (Original Post) Skinner Apr 2015 OP
Who's paying them are these transactions even legal? AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #1
Billionaires, and yes they are legal. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #5
I'm in the wrong line of work, I can mix facts with fiction, perhaps I should apply.... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #14
...and we do the same thing... brooklynite Apr 2015 #11
Except we do not lie emulatorloo Apr 2015 #53
And neither do they... brooklynite Apr 2015 #55
All of it should be illegal. Voters should be presented with where candidates stand on the issues sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #59
That's not what trackers do... brooklynite Apr 2015 #63
I think the public is capable of doing that themselves. That is the job of Journalists, to report sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #64
Because the press doesn't... brooklynite Apr 2015 #65
'The press doesn't' because our Representatives allowed Corporations to take over the press. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #66
Would the press have covered every single event that Allen or another candidate attended? brooklynite Apr 2015 #67
"Her own words" that they will then heavily edit until she appears to say emulatorloo Apr 2015 #62
Yep: Take true words, put them in false context. Voila! Beartracks Apr 2015 #85
The Fascist War Room must be full of Post-it Notes: "Drive a wedge between Warren and Clinton fans". Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #2
It is amazing how eager... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #4
It also amazes me how young people with a possible future erronis Apr 2015 #22
When I was younger I had a friend who tried to ingratiate himself to the Republican powers that be DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #27
And how eager some of us are to listen to them. MineralMan Apr 2015 #40
I want to know what they're up to...It is important we know what our opponents are up to. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #41
Yes, we need to know that stuff. We shouldn't be using it, though. MineralMan Apr 2015 #47
+1. And on a site called "Democratic" Underground, no less. It's time for a revamp. nt Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #70
I don't know. As long as there are people here who will point MineralMan Apr 2015 #71
We hone our skills demolishing these attacks. aquart Apr 2015 #89
K&R, but trashing before the internecine DU accusation drama begins. n/t demmiblue Apr 2015 #3
You know what would be really cool? jeff47 Apr 2015 #6
It's cute that you think that would matter. They would have a full suite of oppo research on stevenleser Apr 2015 #15
They turned Obama into a crypto Muslim who is here illegally and palled around with terrorists. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #18
Exactly. They would turn Sanders into Pol Pot, and Warren into a serial liar about being native stevenleser Apr 2015 #20
Rove turned a war hero (Kerry) into a feckless Naval officer who shot himself.... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #24
Yup. I could picture the Bernie ads with him say "IM A SOCIALIST! IM A SOCIALIST! IM A SOCIALIST!" JaneyVee Apr 2015 #42
Their attacks are commensurate with the threat. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #44
And that worked so well - twice RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #84
The $100M is already spent. That "full oppo research" would be new spending. jeff47 Apr 2015 #48
And they have several Billionaires funding them for whom $100 million, divided by several stevenleser Apr 2015 #52
They did a ton of oppo on Warren for the Senate race. MADem Apr 2015 #81
Because they would be cool with someone else? nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #16
Because they've already spent the $100M. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #49
You do realize that's leftynyc Apr 2015 #17
Yes, there is a reason that they're trying to stop sufrommich Apr 2015 #19
And Giuliani crushed Obama in the polls this far out. jeff47 Apr 2015 #50
Nope. The money will go toward defeating whoever we nominate, MoonRiver Apr 2015 #45
Except it's already spent jeff47 Apr 2015 #51
They'll just get more money. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #60
Isn't that the goal of any political party? former9thward Apr 2015 #87
That's true....make them chase their tails for the next year... cbdo2007 Apr 2015 #46
They can turn on a dime. They will smear any Dem emulatorloo Apr 2015 #57
And some question why this race could cost 2.6 billion.... Historic NY Apr 2015 #7
And have a candidate and supporters who are willing to go to the mattresses./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #8
Per side nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #30
The only way to see change is on the lower levels... Historic NY Apr 2015 #39
+100 MineralMan Apr 2015 #43
You have no argument from me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #72
Hmmmm 2naSalit Apr 2015 #9
Democrats have no problem sniffing out the opposition tactics. My question is, who, what and how libdem4life Apr 2015 #10
Mother Jones does a lot of great work...They unearthed the 47% comment DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #21
Agree about Mother Jones. They even get a correspondent on MSM occasionally now. I just think each libdem4life Apr 2015 #28
Ever read something and wish you copied it? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #29
I see, so Hillary's the only Scofflaw in the race? Equal time...that's why they made that rule. libdem4life Apr 2015 #33
The miscreant who wrote this book was one of Bush ll's speech writers and... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #35
You make my point. We need to find one of those "miscreants" to write an equal time book. In fact, libdem4life Apr 2015 #37
This miscreant also leaked details of the book to several Republicans including ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #38
We need to fight fire with fire. I know it's not PC, but they certainly don't care and Hillary is libdem4life Apr 2015 #69
A good reminder. Some people will stop at nothing to stop Hillary. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #12
Even on the DU Iliyah Apr 2015 #25
Yes. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #32
Even to the point of embracing smears from the likes of Karl Rove emulatorloo Apr 2015 #56
What angers me is when people link to rw sites to trash her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #58
We should employ strategy here, and totally confuse them by nominating Bernie. Zorra Apr 2015 #13
Monies from outside countries as well. Iliyah Apr 2015 #23
The real problem is.... Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #26
They Are All Running Scared! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2015 #31
America is well and truly fucked by the amount of money in politics LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #34
thank you Skinner. she's also up against loudedt voices here. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #36
Thank you for posting this. Too many are naive about the smear machine emulatorloo Apr 2015 #54
And this is just for the primary. More coming for the general regardless who the candidate is. jwirr Apr 2015 #61
There is also a article on CNN today that they have been watching her every move William769 Apr 2015 #68
Which is why sites like this should give no quarter to rabble. We know what the goal is, and.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #73
These groups are small potatoes. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #74
"Small potatoes" ??????? elzenmahn Apr 2015 #83
The humorous part.. The dems don't have to dig to find craziness with the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Thekaspervote Apr 2015 #75
Interesting that Conservative fear of symbols doesn't stop them here. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #76
Oh yeah, no doubt. They hated it that Obama was a 2 term President and they're determined not Cha Apr 2015 #77
Why should this surprise us? davidpdx Apr 2015 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #79
Hmmm. Yep. Those sorry bastards are hard at work, aren't they? MADem Apr 2015 #80
Citizens United was perhaps the stake in the heart of US democracy tabasco Apr 2015 #82
With a smear machine that big... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #86
What WE are up against? No, not WE. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #88

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
55. And neither do they...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

...certainly not in this context. If you're going to make things up, there's no point in wasting your money tracking a candidate. The goal is to get something juicy in her/her own words.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
59. All of it should be illegal. Voters should be presented with where candidates stand on the issues
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:13 PM
Apr 2015

and not bombarded with trash about who they slept with or other personal, non-relevant information.

Paying for dirt on a politician, and we know they do it, some of our 'Security Contractors' eg, bid on contracts to smear outspoken journalists who report on the Banking Industry, eg, and here we thought they were keeping us safe or something, is despicable and should be against the law.

It interferes with the democratic process. At least they should have to declare who they are and what conflicts of interest they have. And who is funding them.

And candidates should sue them so that they are exposed in courtrooms where they can't lie. Even if they lose, the process can be used to put their faces on the front pages. Suits can be dropped after the election. Meantime they can be confronted and let the public see the deceptions big money is paying for to try to influence their choices.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
63. That's not what trackers do...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

...they track the candidate throughout their day and capture their statements and comments. Which strikes me a perfectly legal and appropriate. If candidate A gives you his "stand on the issue", and the next day says something different to another group, isn't that useful to know?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
64. I think the public is capable of doing that themselves. That is the job of Journalists, to report
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:40 PM
Apr 2015

facts to the public. Why do we need secret groups, with agendas, to do the work the Press is supposed to do?

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
65. Because the press doesn't...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:06 PM
Apr 2015

Remember George Allen's "Macaca"comment? That was caught by a tracker for Jim Webb's campaign.

Complain if you want; I'll go with the ole First Amendment...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
66. 'The press doesn't' because our Representatives allowed Corporations to take over the press.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015

I am a huge fan of the 1st Amendment. It protects the Press which is why a #1 issue for the public is to restore at least the Fairness Doctrine so we can start going back to Real Journalists, not memo readers such as we have on all of our 'news' media now

A real journalist would have reported accurately on Allen's remarks and it wouldn't have cost millions of dollars.

There is a real danger to these private agenda driven groups. If both sides are doing it with an agenda involved, it's a wash, isn't it? We take one of their guys and they take out one of ours. Turning politics into a childish game of 'gotcha'.

Whereas real journalism reporting from a neutral standpoint, informing of the public position, gives the people unbiased information they can then use effectively.

They lower the political discourse also, pitting people against each other sometimes blindly defending things they might normally defend if they didn't suspect it was the 'enemy' who was 'lying' about their candidate.

Too much 'managing' of the population in terms of attempting to influence with stuff to sway them this way or that, distracting from what is really important. which is why trust in our government is at such an all time low. The people know they are being managed.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
67. Would the press have covered every single event that Allen or another candidate attended?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

Even with the best of intentions, the media has limited resources and other stories to write.

emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
62. "Her own words" that they will then heavily edit until she appears to say
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

something she never said. I've seen this movie before, lol.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. The Fascist War Room must be full of Post-it Notes: "Drive a wedge between Warren and Clinton fans".
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:38 AM
Apr 2015

"Use the confusion over the TPP and the natural tension with unions"

erronis

(15,328 posts)
22. It also amazes me how young people with a possible future
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:15 PM
Apr 2015

Will work against their own self interests and promote the right-wing mantras and try to trip up true democracy.

I wonder if it's not like every kid on a Little League baseball team seeing themselves at some point on a professional team.

The Junior Repugs dream of being masters of all the evil empire. Someday they'll realize that they are just another poor pawn being rewarded by crappy safety nets, no health care, and no concern by their gated-community bosses.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
27. When I was younger I had a friend who tried to ingratiate himself to the Republican powers that be
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:21 PM
Apr 2015

When I was younger I had a friend who tried to ingratiate himself to the Republican powers that be In Florida. For his efforts he got a crappy job trying to get individual retail outlets to sell lottery tickets. I believe he expected more.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
41. I want to know what they're up to...It is important we know what our opponents are up to.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

The difference is what they're up to upsets me and not fills me with glee.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
47. Yes, we need to know that stuff. We shouldn't be using it, though.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:20 PM
Apr 2015

Anytime we attack Democratic candidates we give aid and comfort to the Republicans. We should support the Democratic candidates our our choice. We should refrain from using right-wing talking points to attack Democratic candidates we don't like. Focus on the positive qualities of your own favorite candidate, not the supposed flaws of another Democrat. Helping Democrats win elections should be the goal, in my opinion.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
71. I don't know. As long as there are people here who will point
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

out such things when they happen, I think it's fine. People say stuff, and others speak up to counter it. There's a broad range of political positions held by DUers. While there are a few who are trying to sabotage Democratic candidates, it's impossible to tell which people are doing that and which are just making a political point they truly believe in.

Anyhow, it's not my website, so I'm just here as a guest. People post here, and I'm one of the active posters. That's DU for you. Eventually, some of the pretenders end up being banned, but they often return with a different screen name. I don't care, really. I just post what I think, either way.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
89. We hone our skills demolishing these attacks.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 09:15 PM
Apr 2015

Grab, rephrase with positives, push it forward until they have to abandon it. Word tennis. Sorta.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. You know what would be really cool?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:07 AM
Apr 2015

To make that $100M a waste of money by nominating someone else.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
15. It's cute that you think that would matter. They would have a full suite of oppo research on
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

Warren and Sanders within a week.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
18. They turned Obama into a crypto Muslim who is here illegally and palled around with terrorists.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:05 PM
Apr 2015

They turned Obama into a crypto Muslim who is here illegally and palled around with terrorists to his detractors.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. Exactly. They would turn Sanders into Pol Pot, and Warren into a serial liar about being native
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:13 PM
Apr 2015

American. And that's just for starters. And yes I know both of those accusations are B.S. That doesnt matter to the GOP

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
24. Rove turned a war hero (Kerry) into a feckless Naval officer who shot himself....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

Rove turned a war hero (Kerry) into a feckless Naval officer who shot himself and shot a teen age combatant in the back as he ran away to his detractors...


That's one of the reasons I have faith in Team Clinton. They will fight back.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
42. Yup. I could picture the Bernie ads with him say "IM A SOCIALIST! IM A SOCIALIST! IM A SOCIALIST!"
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

As much as I love Bernie, he has zero chance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
44. Their attacks are commensurate with the threat.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

IMHO, the last more or less positive campaign they ran was in 1984 and that is because the outcome was never in dispute though they did try to dirty up Geraldine Ferraro's husband.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
48. The $100M is already spent. That "full oppo research" would be new spending.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

(Or at least it's partially already spent)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
52. And they have several Billionaires funding them for whom $100 million, divided by several
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:40 PM
Apr 2015

billionaires, is nothing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. They did a ton of oppo on Warren for the Senate race.
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 04:42 PM
Apr 2015

They overplayed their hand on the native peoples business and weren't able to effectively roll out the rest (three cheers for the decency of Bay State voters, who recoiled in revulsion). I'm sure they've hung on to it, though. It wouldn't play well in "decent" Massachusetts, but I'll bet there'd be plenty of fans of that shit across the red states.

They'd just unpack the boxes and keep on rolling. They've got lots of money and they're determined.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. You do realize that's
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:04 PM
Apr 2015

exactly what they want, don't you. No other candidate even comes close to beating every single con that has thought about running. And you think it's a good idea to give them what they want?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. Yes, there is a reason that they're trying to stop
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:07 PM
Apr 2015

her in the primary. They're flop sweating a river over her.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. And Giuliani crushed Obama in the polls this far out.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:31 PM
Apr 2015

It's way too early for polls to be anything beyond an exercise in name recognition.

Any candidate will face massive Republican opposition and spending. Wasting $100M of that spending would be helpful.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
45. Nope. The money will go toward defeating whoever we nominate,
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:15 PM
Apr 2015

because that's what those rat fuckers do.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
60. They'll just get more money.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

The Rethugs are plotting a complete take-over of the US government. Didn't you get the memo? This has been their goal for at least 30 years.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
46. That's true....make them chase their tails for the next year...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

and spend $100 Million + on defeating Hillary, then pull someone else out at the last minute and have Hillary step back. Sure, they have a lot of money....but there is a limit there, and the more we can get them to waste now, is less they'll have to waste in the future.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
7. And some question why this race could cost 2.6 billion....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

they obviously aren't paying attention. To weather the storm front one better have a ton of cash raised.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. Per side
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:34 PM
Apr 2015

Common Cause and The Hill are already talking 5 billion... for some context, that is give or take a few million, my County's annual budget.

This is why I really don't care who runs at the Presidential level. The Dems could run Luke Skywalker and he would still be presented as a Sith Lord, while the Emperor will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Mind you, niether side is running either a sith lord, or luke skywalker.

Be scared, this is spreading to state and local elections too. Some of the donations for an assembly seat that is quite safe... are down right scary.

I am willing to bet my Congressional district, one of the 10 actual competitive ones, will run more than 17 million when all is said and done... it ran 17 last time around.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
39. The only way to see change is on the lower levels...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

which is why no contest for state houses or local boards should go unchallenged. All politics is local, and the more you do at home means the more that can get pushed up the pike later.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
72. You have no argument from me
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

but some of these elections are running at a million plus. Why most folks who would love to, don't run They do not have the social or party capital to raise that amount of cash.

The reforms that I would like to see are

1.- Publicly funded elections, nobody, not Unions or corporations or you and me, personally. give money. That ends that corruption. Can bring others, but.

2.- Cut the length of the contest to four months. You think it is only the Presidential that already started? Nope.

Those two require laws, the first one an amendment. Citizens United is the Dredd Scott of our age in my mind. And why I really do not care about horse races, but the mechanics, yes. This is also why you have less and less discussion of policy and a lot of mindless bumper sticker talk.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
9. Hmmmm
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:31 AM
Apr 2015

A vast RW conspiracy indeed. She called them out a looong time ago, and guess what, she was 100% correct.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
10. Democrats have no problem sniffing out the opposition tactics. My question is, who, what and how
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:54 AM
Apr 2015

should this be copied...not fought or hair on fire...what could/should the Democrats do? We have great subjects...Christie, Bush, et al. Who is going to write the book that puts this together. Maybe name it Public Republican Candidate Research.

This tarnishes more than just Clinton...it tarnishes the Democratic Party and makes good candidates hesitate or decide not to run. I'm betting this is one of the major reasons Warren did not run...they would have done worse to her.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
21. Mother Jones does a lot of great work...They unearthed the 47% comment
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

The challenge is there are so many Republicants running expecting a individual book exposing the perfidy of every one of them is unrealistic but books about Bush lll, Rubio, and Walker would be a good start.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. Agree about Mother Jones. They even get a correspondent on MSM occasionally now. I just think each
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

should be about a chapter...the most egregious/printed/vetted things. Keep it short and make the font large.

Give a bit of time, maybe we could come up with a spiffy title. I'll think about it. We could have it published by one of the Democratic PACs as opposition research...that way they pay for it themselves just to see what's in it and give Democrats some info to use...that's what they've done to her. Books are flying off the shelf, so they say. It sure made the News Cycle.

Our turn. Republican Research.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
29. Ever read something and wish you copied it?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

I was reading a book about Phil Jackson and the author quoted a famous quote which basically said if you look for information that makes anyone look like a scoundrel you will find it but this isn't that kind of book...


I suspect if it's a person's raison d'etre to make any politician, left or right, look like a scoundrel he or she could do it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
33. I see, so Hillary's the only Scofflaw in the race? Equal time...that's why they made that rule.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

It is an "expose" on a presidential candidate. This is the attitude that gets me...oh, we can't to that. Yes We Can. Double Entendre noted. Just takes a writer with political skill, not running for office, and not afraid of the Republic wrath...in other words, doesn't have a job or position to lose. Although, nothing will happen this cretin who wrote the book about Hillary. I'm I not even a fan of hers, but she is the Visible Democrat...and this reflects on All Of Us.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
35. The miscreant who wrote this book was one of Bush ll's speech writers and...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

The miscreant who wrote this book was one of Bush ll's speech writers and Sarah Palin's foreign policy advisors.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
37. You make my point. We need to find one of those "miscreants" to write an equal time book. In fact,
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:00 PM
Apr 2015

that's a thought for the title..."Equal Time: Republican Research." So what would be wrong with that? It's not lying, it's just informing and pulling together information that is all over the place. That's what a good writer, even a miscreant, would do.

Just kidding about the equal-opportunity miscreant. I'll settle for an unknown political author looking to get noticed and make a few bucks. I know that no known author would likely dare.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
38. This miscreant also leaked details of the book to several Republicans including ...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:05 PM
Apr 2015

This miscreant also leaked details of the book to several Republicans including Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
69. We need to fight fire with fire. I know it's not PC, but they certainly don't care and Hillary is
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:34 PM
Apr 2015

out there getting bludgeoned by both Rs and Ds. And the Democrats are just outraged...so where is the Equal Time? Outrage is expected. They love it. Remember, she was the one they feared...thus...

emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
56. Even to the point of embracing smears from the likes of Karl Rove
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

and his ilk.

The recent gleeful promotion here of the "Clinton Cash" smear actually shocked me. But it also opened my eyes.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. We should employ strategy here, and totally confuse them by nominating Bernie.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:02 PM
Apr 2015

I will happily vote for Secretary Clinton in the GE, just for the pleasure of helping to crush these fascist PAC's.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Monies from outside countries as well.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

Corporate media is gonna run with the BS "cash" book and any and all BS against her and Dems.

Also, those who believe another Democratic candidate would fair better concerning anti-money against them, and answer is No.

GOP/RW/Libertarians want a one party purity party with no Dems nor Indies nor Green or any other political group who don't have an R (GOP).

And the GOP besides other anti-American rules, laws and legislation, truly want a "World War".

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
26. The real problem is....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

...that her response team is not up to the task.

It took them over a week to come up with the "two phones" response to the email BS. If they had done that in the first 48 hours it might have flown. As it is now that is one more thing for the vast right wing conspiracy to use against her.

She may have the makings of a great president but she is a terrible candidate. She may very well take another election that is hers to lose, and lose it.


Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
31. They Are All Running Scared!
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015

That's why Repubs are trashing Hillary - and they've been doing it for over a year. All these conservative guys are going to get their a$$ handed to them by a girl and I'll be loving every minute of it!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
34. America is well and truly fucked by the amount of money in politics
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:50 PM
Apr 2015

And it matters little who the nominee is -- the Republicans will pile in with records amounts of cash for smear campaigns no matter who we eventually nominate. Just as they have always done, only the actual amount of cash is increasing at a geometric rate.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,143 posts)
36. thank you Skinner. she's also up against loudedt voices here.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

I'm sure they are prepared. This is why Clinton ecxperience will be invaluable.

emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
54. Thank you for posting this. Too many are naive about the smear machine
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:05 PM
Apr 2015

and the unlimited funds they will employ to defeat Democrats.

William769

(55,147 posts)
68. There is also a article on CNN today that they have been watching her every move
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
Apr 2015

& analyzing her every word since the start of her campaign.

Knowing Hillary and the team she has assembled, she is ready for them.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
73. Which is why sites like this should give no quarter to rabble. We know what the goal is, and....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:48 PM
Apr 2015

social media is a big part of that. Those claiming to be the leftiest of the left, who constantly trash the current administration, and the possibility of another Clinton administration seem to travel in some very questionable company, and never the "Twain" shall meet.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
74. These groups are small potatoes.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:08 PM
Apr 2015

We just held a regional Democratic Party conference last week where this was a topic. The big money and attacks on Hillary Clinton's presidential run is and will be coming from within, that is, the populists within the Democratic Party who are not happy with "corporate" candidates. These progressive populist groups are going to be the key ones trying to derail her. And there's little guarantee they will rally behind her in the general election.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
83. "Small potatoes" ???????
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

I think the cash that's behind them this time around has mutated the size of those spuds to something more resembling those overgrown pumpkins you see entered in contests.

These groups have the money and the media access. There's nothing small about them.

I would also say that the vast majority of progressives and left-independents who dislike the Clintons understand the stakes if we don't put a Dem (even Hillary) in the White House: court appointments (especially the SCOTUS), cabinet positions, the budget (if a Republican wins, say hello to the unexpurgated version of the Paul Ryan budget, in all of its hatchet in-glory), and so on.

I think we know this one is too important to sit out. At least for me, IF Hillary is the nominee, then yes, I will vote for her.

Thekaspervote

(32,793 posts)
75. The humorous part.. The dems don't have to dig to find craziness with the likes of Cruz, Rubio,
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:38 AM
Apr 2015

Florida and others. I mean you cant make that kind of shit up. They just open their mouths and remove all doubt

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
76. Interesting that Conservative fear of symbols doesn't stop them here.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

Joe Barton, I think, whined enough that he got a new bill number when his sequentially assigned bill number became 666. Can't do it!!! EVIL!!!1!!

Yet these asshats are perfectly fine with Crossroads GPS, Crossroads Generation and their parent, American Crossroads. I'm sure TurdBlossom is aware of the symbology of "The Crossroads" and thinks he is quite clever.

In many mythologies, one goes to a crossroads to summon a demon to make a deal with the devil. Have to wonder how that would play with the religious right if they ever bothered to read a book.

http://goo.gl/7FO66c

Cha

(297,645 posts)
77. Oh yeah, no doubt. They hated it that Obama was a 2 term President and they're determined not
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:53 PM
Apr 2015

to let that kind of victory happen again.

Too bad, it is.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
80. Hmmm. Yep. Those sorry bastards are hard at work, aren't they?
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015

All white, mostly male. And noticeably unfit.



 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
82. Citizens United was perhaps the stake in the heart of US democracy
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 05:08 PM
Apr 2015

I am not optimistic about the next election.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
86. With a smear machine that big...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:23 PM
Apr 2015

I'm quite sure that some of it will find its way into DU somehow. We need to be careful about that.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
88. What WE are up against? No, not WE.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

She is not the Democratic nominee and I'm surprised the proprietors of this website are carrying on as if she were. The Clintons don't give a shit about propriety and the appearance of wrongdoing. Why? Because they know their fanclub will defend their questionable behavior no matter what. Their sense of entitlement, their insistence that it is her turn, does not a nominee make.

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