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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Who" and "that"
It drives me crazy to hear TV journalists use the words "that" and "who" in the wrong way in a sentence.. Shouldn't they be more educated in English grammar, using the appropriate word? A thing gets a "that", someone who lives or lived gets a "who".
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"Who" and "that" (Original Post)
realFedUp
Apr 2015
OP
It's probably the reason the TPP will pass and destroy our national sovereignty
FiveGoodMen
Apr 2015
#6
unblock
(52,243 posts)1. those are exactly the journalists that drive me mental!
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)2. Who that, who that? That do that, do that?
I'm so fancy, you already know. I'm in the fast lane, from L.A. to Tokyo.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)3. Stoned?
Or just Coachella?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)4. I'm more bothered by those who use stigmatizing language
as sizzle.
Misuse of who and that seems unlikely to promote popular prejudices that support discrimination.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)5. Yes, worse
Than bad grammar.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)6. It's probably the reason the TPP will pass and destroy our national sovereignty
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)7. You're probably right
Such equal subjects......
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)8. THANK YOU!!!! It drives me nuts. You read it in print as well.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)9. That is one of my pet peeves too!
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)10. I agree, but I often break the rule,
if there is one saying non-human animals are "that," especially when it comes to pets. To me, they are "who."
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)11. I do that too...
Pets seem like humans.
Brother Buzz
(36,440 posts)12. Of whom are you speaking?
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)13. I should have kept a list.....
Brother Buzz
(36,440 posts)14. I was eluding to the misuse of who and whom
My little pet peeve.
Your list would be long, no doubt.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)15. No doubt
Whom seems a very old British formal word. I wish it well.
graegoyle
(532 posts)17. "Eluding"?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)16. It's not incorrect grammar; it's just a different style
That or who
Most writers use that and whichas the relative pronouns for inanimate objects, and who as the relative pronoun for humans. This widespread habit has led to the mistaken belief that using that in reference to humans is an error. In fact, while most editors prefer who for people, there is no rule saying we cant use that, and that has been widely used in reference to people for many centuries. It remains so today, especially in British writing, exemplified here:
Labour insiders argue that Balls is probably the man that can most effectively deliver a reshaping of the partys economic policy. (The Guardian)
This demonstrates how completely out of touch they have become with the people that they purport to speak on behalf of. (Telegraph)
http://grammarist.com/usage/that-who/
Most writers use that and whichas the relative pronouns for inanimate objects, and who as the relative pronoun for humans. This widespread habit has led to the mistaken belief that using that in reference to humans is an error. In fact, while most editors prefer who for people, there is no rule saying we cant use that, and that has been widely used in reference to people for many centuries. It remains so today, especially in British writing, exemplified here:
Labour insiders argue that Balls is probably the man that can most effectively deliver a reshaping of the partys economic policy. (The Guardian)
This demonstrates how completely out of touch they have become with the people that they purport to speak on behalf of. (Telegraph)
http://grammarist.com/usage/that-who/