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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:09 PM Apr 2015

Rand Paul: America's hungry seniors should turn to charity

Daily Kos
Rand Paul: America's hungry seniors should turn to charity

It's a seriously fucked up new world in Washington, DC.

A Senate subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging, chaired by Sen. Bernie Sanders, held a hearing Tuesday on the “human toll and budget consequences” of senior hunger. Panelists shared tales of woe from older Americans unable to get enough food, and urged increased funding for nutrition programs under the Older Americans Act of 1965.

This might have been non-controversial a few years ago, but not with the Tea Party in town. The hearing produced a fierce debate between Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, and Sen. Rand Paul, the prototypical Tea Partier, about whether the government should even perform simple tasks like feeding hungry senior citizens....

Mary Jane Koren, a geriatrician and vice-president of the Commonwealth Fund, noted that seniors often suffer health problems and are put in nursing homes after falling down. Poor nutrition leads to decreased muscle strength, meaning a higher chance of falling—and weaker seniors are more likely to be gravely injured in such a fall. Koren noted that by 2020, the annual cost of medical care for seniors who fall is expected to reach $54.9 billion—many magnitudes more than the approximately $2 billion per year the federal government spends on nutrition assistance for senior citizens.

Sen. Paul, however, explicitly rejected this logic. “It’s curious that only in Washington can you spend $2 billion and claim that you’re saving money,” he said. “The idea or notion that spending money in Washington somehow is saving money really flies past most of the taxpayers.”  Instead, Paul touted the “nobility of private charity” as opposed to government-funded “transfer programs.” He suggested privatizing Meals on Wheels and other government assistance for hungry seniors.

Sanders had none of this. “Senator Paul has suggested that only in Washington can people believe that spending money actually saves money. And I think that’s the kind of philosophy that results in us spending about twice as much per person on health care as any other country on earth,” Sanders said. ...

In providing this explanation of how social investment works, and the consequences of not making it, Sen. Sanders is making the mistake of thinking that Sen. Paul a) has the capacity to understand what his talking about, and b) gives a shit that there are people dying because they don't have health care, or have to chose between it and starving. ...

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Apparently Paul's too young to remember the flood of stories in the 70s about senior citizens who ate canned cat food because it was all they could afford. Of course, he has nothing to worry about -- his Senate pension & health insurance will do him just fine.
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Rand Paul: America's hungry seniors should turn to charity (Original Post) Panich52 Apr 2015 OP
god, I hate that fucker. nt cyberswede Apr 2015 #1
took the words off my fingertips! OKNancy Apr 2015 #2
much improved! cyberswede Apr 2015 #3
I am having to stifle my laughter here at... 3catwoman3 Apr 2015 #28
Could it be that hifiguy Apr 2015 #29
I know where to find the money daredtowork Apr 2015 #4
As far as republicans are concerned, at this point I have pretty justhanginon Apr 2015 #5
trust me, the voodoo dolls and pins are not helping. these creatures from another planet niyad Apr 2015 #14
They're still eating cat food. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #6
randy is currently living off the charity of taxpayers...cut him off. NOW. spanone Apr 2015 #7
Just another Faux pas Apr 2015 #8
"If they're hungry, why don't they just eat something?" Orsino Apr 2015 #9
And these fuckers just love military pork n2doc Apr 2015 #10
He's apparently never heard of 'coupons' either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #11
Rand Paul wants the old to rely on soup kitchens and charity? Gothmog Apr 2015 #12
you are insulting idiots. niyad Apr 2015 #15
Not really, he wants them to die. Severe population reduction is the plan at this point, IMHO. LiberalLoner Apr 2015 #16
Yeah, and those soup kitchens and charities rely on donations from --- lots of assholes Nay Apr 2015 #30
I am normally a non-violent person, but these sick, twisted, perverted, hate-filled wastes niyad Apr 2015 #13
It's terrible how we've abandoned our seniors. rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #17
may both pauls get incurable diseases and live out their last days in a cut-rate nursing home. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #18
Highly appropriate karma. nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #27
Fuck you Rand Paul! Please get your ass out of my State! leftofcool Apr 2015 #19
I've love how libertarians think this is a serious answer renegade000 Apr 2015 #20
the *actual charities* hate Rothbardian crap-talk like this! THEY see the worst of poverty MisterP Apr 2015 #21
You would think the elderly wouldn't vote for this asshole after he said this out loud. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #22
Is he getting donations from Friskies? KamaAina Apr 2015 #23
Another promoter of savagery..but you'll be experiencing freedom while you starve. Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #24
This is from 2011. Wonder what he says now? Beaverhausen Apr 2015 #25
The first thing anyone associatied with a charity will tell you hifiguy Apr 2015 #26
Where have I heard this before? DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #31

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
2. took the words off my fingertips!
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:15 PM
Apr 2015

I was going to write the exact same thing.

So, I'll add to it: god, I hate that sorry-assed, snot-nosed, weasel-faced fucker.

3catwoman3

(23,994 posts)
28. I am having to stifle my laughter here at...
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

...work so I don't have to explain to anyone what I am laughing about. Excellent expansion on cyberswede's original statement.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
4. I know where to find the money
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:22 PM
Apr 2015

Let's get it from that Paris Hilton Tax that the House of Reps just voted to end.

Or are we seriously saying "take from granny and give to Paris Hilton"?

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
5. As far as republicans are concerned, at this point I have pretty
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:22 PM
Apr 2015

much run out of curse words, curse word combinations and even trying to make up my own. I'm getting carpal tunnel from flipping them off on TV. I'm hoarse from screaming at them. I guess the next step is voodoo dolls and pins.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
14. trust me, the voodoo dolls and pins are not helping. these creatures from another planet
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:04 PM
Apr 2015

are apparently impervious to anything that would make them resemble human beings.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
6. They're still eating cat food.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:27 PM
Apr 2015

My legal assistant, who's also a nurse, tells the story of working in a university clinic not that long ago, and finding out that frail, elderly patients were still eating cat food out of necessity.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. "If they're hungry, why don't they just eat something?"
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

I can only hope that Paul pulls a muscle or something as he contorts himself into a weak echo of the Kochs.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. He's apparently never heard of 'coupons' either.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015
“It’s curious that only in Washington can you spend $2 billion and claim that you’re saving money,” he said.


Every time you use a coupon to buy something, you're 'saving money' that you would have had to spend if you didn't have the coupon, even though you're still spending money to buy whatever item the coupon was giving you savings on.

Heck, when I pay ahead on my mortgage, I spend money to save money.

Paul the self-certified 'optometrist' is blinded by his ideology of miserliness.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
30. Yeah, and those soup kitchens and charities rely on donations from --- lots of assholes
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 03:36 PM
Apr 2015

like Rand Paul! Good luck with that!

niyad

(113,315 posts)
13. I am normally a non-violent person, but these sick, twisted, perverted, hate-filled wastes
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:03 PM
Apr 2015

of oxygen and resources are making me rethink my position.

 

rainmaker21

(52 posts)
17. It's terrible how we've abandoned our seniors.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:10 PM
Apr 2015

I would like to see more money spent trying to lift them out of poverty.

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
20. I've love how libertarians think this is a serious answer
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

Let's set aside all the issues of whether or not it would actually work and assume it does.

Congratulations, you've just created a society full of moochers! Everyone is going to be able to reap the
benefits of having non-starving elderly people (they are, you know, still likely paying for goods and services and helping to keep others employeed), but only a subset of people actually contributed to achieving this outcome.

Hmm, if only there was some way of having everyone contribute some, in proportion to how much they seem to be benefiting, to all these public investments!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
21. the *actual charities* hate Rothbardian crap-talk like this! THEY see the worst of poverty
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:51 PM
Apr 2015

every time they unlock the doors in the morning, and know they're just a patch

but, hey, Rothbard said it's less moral to tax people to keep a retarded kid alive than to let that kid just DIE already

the Austrian School ran over the Atlantic to a country that didn't recognize the danger and immediately begged for all the welfare they could get their hands on; these same freaks almost destroyed their own country in 1906, and wouldn't have been tolerated with a stronger A-H (Gott erhalte Karl der Kaiser ...)

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
22. You would think the elderly wouldn't vote for this asshole after he said this out loud.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

However, I have no confidence that is the case.

I truly don't understand many of my "fellow" Americans.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. The first thing anyone associatied with a charity will tell you
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 02:05 PM
Apr 2015

is that they would immediately be swamped and sunk were it not for government programs.

What a craven shitheel is this manlike object with the dead varmint on his head.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
31. Where have I heard this before?
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 03:43 PM
Apr 2015

"Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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