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When I gave up on Al Gore and Elizabeth Warren as actual candidates this cycle, I started researching Martin O'Malley as an alternative. My idea was to go back to either of my first choices should they declare. But the more I learn about O'Malley, the less likely I am to prefer anyone else. Martin OMalley is the right kind of hawk, a climate hawk. He talks about it as the real national security issue it is and he has actually done something about it, as documented in the link below.
O'Malley is the rare elected official who seems genuinely motivated to address climate change. "I deal with a lot of politicians in my work as a climate advocate," says Mike Tidwell, director of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network. "Martin O'Malley, more than any politician I know, really loses sleep over climate change. He is deeply concerned about climate change and his actions over the last eight years reveal that. He's pushed the envelope more than anyone I've seen. He's the kind of politician where his staff comes in and says, Here's what we propose to do,' and most politicians would say, Let's cut that down a little,' and Martin O'Malley regularly says, We can't do better than that? Push a little harder?'"
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
FSogol
(45,485 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Reauthorize the Ex-Im Bank: Favors topic 13
On May 8, 2013, OMalley spoke before a trade conference hosted by the Council of Americas in Washington, D.C., where he was asked on camera about his perspective as a governor on the TPP and other trade deals pursued by the Obama administration. I would hazard to guess that a majority of us [governors] believe that free trade, provided its fair and thats always the rub is a net benefit for us. I believe that, at the risk of stating the painfully obvious, were all part of a global economy, OMalley said. So it would seem to me, that to the extent that we can be proactive in concluding agreements with strategic partners, geographically, philosophically, then that is a benefit to us.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)<snip>
Former Maryland governor Martin OMalley spoke out against a major trade pact sought by President Obama and voiced support for raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour as he appeared Thursday at Harvard University.
OMalley, who has been positioning himself for a Democratic presidential bid, denounced the Trans-Pacific Partnership as a bad trade deal during a speech at Harvard's Institute of Politics in which he outlined his economic priorities for the country.
Chasing cheaper labor abroad will not help us build a stronger economy at home, OMalley said during the address, which was live-streamed over the Internet. O'Malley said the deal would hurt middle-class wages and ship middle-class jobs overseas.
<snip>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/16/omalley-to-speak-out-against-trade-deal-as-he-outlines-economic-priorities-at-harvard/
If it's OK with you, that HRC has evolved on issue after issue, then O'Malley's opposition to the TPP shouldn't trouble you.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He supports FREE Trade!
I am saying he is still not your messiah! She ain't perfect and neither is HE!
cali
(114,904 posts)Speaking of what I have said: I've said countless times that I don't have and never have had political idols.
and should I point out that just last year, HRC said marriage equality should be left to the states? Absurd. I'm glad she's changed her mind. And I'm glad that O'Malley is against the TPP.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How many is this now?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)NO BUSH NO CLINTON!
LOL
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)the word "dynasty" is commonly used- within democracies. btw, the plural of dynasty is dynasties.
Always happy to provide you with correct information.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Political+dynasty
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and thanks for the definition...you just proved my point!
cali
(114,904 posts)representing my own views- which often don't fit with a "side". Look, I don't mean to speak in terms beyond your ken, but we clearly don't approach politics in the same way.
I respect most of Clinton's supporters here. I certainly believe that they're sincere in their support. Many are issue oriented and thoughtful about why they support her.
and O'Malley is the only person that I have supported. My support is tentative.
I don't need saving from HRC. As has so oft been pointed out, she's better than anyone on the other side.
You never discuss issues. Your support of Hillary is not impressive. You are unbelievably defensive.
Just my opinion- of course.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How many?
cali
(114,904 posts)I've already made clear to you that I've only expressed tentative support for one potential candidate- O'Malley, so you must be referring to something else.
I really should refrain from engaging with you. It's not kind of me at all.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)We actually are all on the same team here.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Do we want Scott Walker?
Do we want Rand Paul?
Do we want Marco Rubio?
We may not all agree on how we beat these people but we sure do understand we don't want them in charge.
treestar
(82,383 posts)it is "pandering." Now if I were running to the left of Hillary, I would definitely pander on the TPP, as it's going to pass (so opposing it is safe) and he is smart enough to see that a bogeyman has been made of it.
cali
(114,904 posts)That certainly wouldn't shock me. But pandering or not, I'm glad he's taken that position. Pandering or not, I'm glad that HRC is speaking of income inequality and supporting the constitutional right to marriage equality.
Politicians pander. Doesn't mean it can't be helpful in swaying public opinion.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Why can't he take the sensible position and simply focus group everything he does with disconnected Washington insiders?
cali
(114,904 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)those facts from a user, say it doesn't matter either way. You might as well just say "I actually didn't care in the first place, I just asked you for the facts to waste your time."
cali
(114,904 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)they will still get hand-waved.
I run into this quite often arguing with people on issue of battery electric vehicles versus hydrogen fuel cells. The math, both from the standpoint of physics and economics, demonstrates unequivocally that HFC are a major waste of money, a waste of energy and not very green (they hydrogen is made from natural gas).
Basically it boils down to "Hydrogen Fuel Cell" sounds cooler, and cool trumps fact.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)"O'Malley panned the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact as bad deal that would send jobs overseas,..."
In full disclosure, he was much more nuanced about "free trade" when he was Chair of the Democratic governors group. So he has evolved. But for the first time emerging as a national candidate he is clearly against it.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-omalleys-populist-tone-gains-specifics-20150416-story.html
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)On May 8, 2013, OMalley spoke before a trade conference hosted by the Council of Americas in Washington, D.C., where he was asked on camera about his perspective as a governor on the TPP and other trade deals pursued by the Obama administration. I would hazard to guess that a majority of us [governors] believe that free trade, provided its fair and thats always the rub is a net benefit for us. I believe that, at the risk of stating the painfully obvious, were all part of a global economy, OMalley said. So it would seem to me, that to the extent that we can be proactive in concluding agreements with strategic partners, geographically, philosophically, then that is a benefit to us.
So you see...he does not walk on water ....he is not the second coming. He is as inconsistent as the next guy... All of these people have flaws. You will NEVER find a candidate that can get elected that meets all of your criteria...
cali
(114,904 posts)The subject here is the TPP.
Now what is HRC's position on it
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)TPP
TPP
You don't seem to be listening?
cali
(114,904 posts)You really do have trouble with reading comprehension on a basic level. The alternative is less flattering to you.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Of course no human being is without warts. Bobby Kennedy broke into politics as a Joe McCarthy staffer. Al Gore helped get NAFTA passed. It has always been necessary to be forgiving and pragmatic in choosing a national candidate.
However. We live in the most special age in human existence, when Noam Chomsky and a growing number of scientists say we are facing the end of history. So picking the right leader is no longer an important issue, it is critical as to whether billions will live or die. No scientist can yet predict the time or precise mechanism of our doom, but I think a majority of climatologists would agree that if we stay on this course, world civilization will end. What we are doing is simply not sustainable.
Therefore, it is imperative that we select a leader using two fundamental criteria: 1) a willingness to expend political capital to embark on a global Marshall Plan to mitigate climate change effects; and 2) the guts to lead a counter-attack in the domestic class war which has led to historic wealth inequality.
The only electable candidate willing to run and matching those two criteria is OMalley, in my view. But my opinion is based on familiarity with his record and that of other potential nominees. I invite you to challenge that opinion, but only with logic and specific facts.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17137/the_end_of_history
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He is no better than HRC!
There is no perfect candidate....
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Please read my last post carefully. I believe I carefully distinguished between HRC and MOM and provided a rationale for my support for MOM.
Also I believe your argument directly above is a "straw-man" argument. I conceded that everyone has warts. So to raise equivalency based on warts is a fallacy: Charles Manson has warts, HRC has warts, therefore Charles Manson is as good a candidate as HRC. See the fallacy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
treestar
(82,383 posts)we never have a leader. Or you'd have to include Congress. Getting Congress right takes a lot more work. Getting the President right does nothing without Congress.
The Doomsday talk is silly. No this era is not special.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)"The Doomsday talk is silly. No this era is not special."
This era is special because the atmosphere is at 400 ppm CO2. Go to 350.org or just do a little research to understand the grave consequences of that fact.
This era is special because the earth is warming at a radical rate.
This era is special because of the rapid extinction of species (50%).
If I were more studied in this area I could go on and on about the Anthropocene idiosyncracies.
As a fellow DU'er I respect you. I don't believe you are stupid, not at all. But I believe you are ignorant about climate change.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)The more I am interested..
cali
(114,904 posts)voters have said is a priority to them, but it's important to me.
thanks for posting.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Wouldn't that be great?
cali
(114,904 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's like shopping online, where you can comparo products.
?440
7962
(11,841 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...a real Democratic work in progress, one might say. Who's really for Walmart say, "I!"
I don't like either Amazon or Walmart. Both are bad for working people. How about Costco?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Our "Earth in the Balance" Vice President is unable--or unwilling--to stop even as dangerous a project as the Ohio incinerator.
By L.J. Davis
MotherJones | November/December 1993 Issue
EXCERPT...
There has always been something incongruous about Stephens Inc. Despite the Little rock firm's attempts to portray itself as a small- city operation that closes for the duck season and got fabulously lucky on a couple of down-home deals like Wal-Mart, it was, at the incinerator's inception, the ninth-largest investment bank in the country. Since it is not headquartered in New York, its dealings are local news, little noticed by the national press, even when they have national implications. And, as a source close to the company once remarked, "The farther you get from Arkansas, the better it looks."
Stephens Inc. was founded by Witt Stephens, a state legislator's son who parlayed a Depression-era belt-buckle, Bible, and municipal-bond business into an immense personal fortune. After his retirement in 1973, the company was run by his shy younger brother, Jackson (a classmate of Jimmy Carter's at the Naval Academy). Witt Stephens and Stephens Inc. did much to create the economic paradox that is modern Arkansas: a desperately poor state with a scant 2.3 million inhabitants that is nonetheless home to a number of wealthy companies. Without the financial assistance of the Stephens brothers, Sam Walton might have ended his days as the most innovative merchant in Bentonville. Stephens money was also important to the fortunes of enterprises as various as Tyson Foods and Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer and reigning First Friend. Stephens Inc. is an important client of the Rose law firm, whose chairman, C. Joseph Giroir, made Hillary Rodham Clinton a partner. And back in 1977, Stephens assisted BCCI's infiltration of the American banking system by brokering the latter's purchase of National Bank of Georgia stock held by Bert Lance, former President Jimmy Carter's friend and disgraced budget director.
Jackson Stephens (who turned over the reins to his son, Warren, in the late eighties) and his firm were both substantial contributors to the campaigns of Presidents Reagan and Bush (to the tune of at least $100,000 in 1980 and 1989), but they have been closer still to Bill Clinton (whom Witt Stephens had been known to call "that boy" .
On two occasions, once when Clinton was running for reelection in Arkansas in 1990 and again in March 1992, when his battered presidential campaign was broke, the Stephens family saved Clinton's bacon with an infusion of money. Indeed, it may not be too much to say that their Worthen Bank's emergency $3.5 million line of credit saved the presidential campaign from extinction. --L.J.D.
-snip
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1993/11/davis.html
PS: As its a progressive, liberal, democratic company, I think the world of Costco.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)wouldn't THAT be great???
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why do you need to ask, actually.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It would not be a shock if HRC beat O'Malley overwhelmingly.
What would be a shock is if she's elected she actually moved to the left on economic issues.
And yeah, it would be great.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Are we Democrats?
7962
(11,841 posts)She leads in every poll, so it would hardly be a shock if she won. Even most people I know on the right admit it.
I've said it many times, the race is hers to lose. She is her own worst enemy and the only way she drops is if she has too many slips of the tongue or refuses to have any uncontrolled events or interviews.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)who seem to think their latest crush du jour can beat her!
cali
(114,904 posts)for her or her supporters- it's most certainly you.
And you deserve none.
Not to mention the irony of 'Nilla talking about anyone else at all having a "political crush".
You reflect horribly on HRC and supporters.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)says who? The Hillary haters????
Get used to it...Hillary is almost a sure thing to win the Primary....Democrats...myself included do not agree with you!
And that's Ms. Rhapsody to you!
cali
(114,904 posts)Madame Rap.
Your fear is yummy though. Watching you freak out over O'Malley and make shit up is delicious.
Yum, yum.
7962
(11,841 posts)Even if I dont agree with you on some, I always know i'm not getting a line of BS!!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Not freaking out over him...just telling you the truth about your crush du jour! How many crushes have there been now?
eringer
(460 posts)Lord how he makes it appear totally effortless. Take a look:
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/46697301#46697301
No one should be looking forward to debating O'Malley.
O'Malley is the future of the Democratic Party. Everyone knows it including Obama and Hillary. O'Malley should have been the nominee in 2008. We need a bright individual with a strong family to run this country.
And how is this for a bio?
Martin O'Malley was born on January 18, 1963, in Washington, D.C. the child of Barbara (née Suelzer) and Thomas Martin O'Malley.Martin attended the Our Lady of Lourdes School in Bethesda and Gonzaga College High School. He went on to The Catholic University of America, graduating in 1985. Later that year he enrolled at the University of Maryland School of Law, earning his Juris Doctor in 1988 and passing the bar that same year.
Martin's father, Thomas O'Malley, served as a bombardier in the U.S. Army Air Force in the Pacific theater during the Second World War, and said he witnessed the mushroom cloud rise over Hiroshima while on a routine mission. Thomas later became a Montgomery County-based criminal defense lawyer, and an assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. O'Malley is of Irish, German and Dutch descent. He is a descendant of a War of 1812 veteran, and is an active member of the General Society of the War of 1812.
That he is a Catholic will peel most of them (e.g., Catholics) off from the radical right wing religious fanatics. He has great appeal to the young voter who is looking to move this country forward. His positions on immigration, guns, marriage and the climate change make him the ideal candidate.
cali
(114,904 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)not to mention all of the "viable" bullshit we had to hear-
Obama declares he's running for president
Despite his brief tenure in the Senate, Obama has quickly gained popularity as he pondered his bid to break the Oval Office's color barrier.
According to a University of New Hampshire Survey Research Center conducted this month, Obama placed second, behind Sen. Hillary Clinton, among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters. Obama snared 21 percent of the vote in that popularity poll, trailing Clinton by 14 points. (Full story Video)
Other Democrats seeking the office include Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware; Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut; former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina; Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and Sen. Clinton of New York.
While speculation abounds over whether a black presidential candidate can be viable, Obama -- whose first name comes from the Swahili word for "one who is blessed" -- has not let the color of skin hinder his career.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/10/obama.president/
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)But the press (and more importantly Iowa Dems) want a horserace. That's why ostensible long-shots so often win!
Koinos
(2,792 posts)From what I know about O'Malley, he is not afraid of uphill fights. And he will wage a positive campaign. I was deeply moved by and very, very impressed with his straightforward approach at Harvard last night. I consider myself very left of center and could find nothing to disagree with in his speech and answers to questions. He had an honest answer to questions about reparations and raising taxes in Maryland.
I am not a Christian, but I appreciate a Christian who talks about understanding rather than hate, inclusiveness rather than discrimination, the common good rather than private gain, future generations rather than "the me," the poor and middle class rather than the 1%.
I had thought that terms like "understanding" and the "common good" had almost disappeared from political discourse.
If you watch his almost stoic delivery and body language, you see a person who is convinced about what he believes and is deliberative and thoughtful in his decision-making.
His commitment to human rights is real. His commitment to collective bargaining is real. His commitment to higher pay for workers and progressive tax for the wealthy is real. His commitment to the environment is real.
He is a liberal Irish Catholic Christian. When is the last time we have seen one of those? He reads Thomas Merton in the morning and signs marriage equality later in the day. He is the kind of Christian that humanists like myself can work with and respect.
His record is not perfect, and I wish he had been stronger about fracking in Maryland. But, across the board, I prefer him as a candidate even when compared to Bernie and Elizabeth. His positions are like those of Bernie and Elizabeth, but his style is less strident and -- to me -- appears more presidential.
He even has a very "naive" Gary Cooper-like demeanor and speaking style which disguises a very strong intellect and will.
I signed on with DU because this apparently simple, but genuinely complex person has given me new hope.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)With respect to fracking, I read somewhere that he promulgated regs about fracking as a sort of innoculation because a pro-fracking Repub succeeded him. The regs were intended to limit the geography and geological criteria. In other words an atempt at pre-emption/mitigation. I have no idea whether the Repub will try and rescind those regs, but it is a credible story, since while in office I believe MOM tolerated no fracking in Maryland.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)things like education, living wages, unions, the environment, protecting SS, SSDI, food stamps, WIC, and single payer health care. I know a lot of people here on DU like him. I don't know that much about him as of yet. I will definitely do some more research though.
cali
(114,904 posts)He supports a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour. He opposes the TPP.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)I hope the video of his speech at Harvard last night is available soon. To answer your question about his positions:
1. Education: O'Malley wants college education to be more affordable, recommended refinancing of student loans, points to high rating of Maryland public education and funding of university system during his tenure. Many unpopular "O'Malley taxes" went to education.
2. Living Wages: Is in favor of $15 minimum wage, supported higher minimum wages in Maryland. Believes that minimum wages should keep pace with cost of living and should keep people above the poverty line. Believes that economic growth comes from higher wages and stronger middle class. Said that the economy is not about money; it is about people.
3. Unions: Stated he supports making collective bargaining easier rather than harder.
4. Environment: See many comments in this thread. He seems morally committed to protecting our environment for future generations (future generations are consistent theme in his speeches). Very committed to alternative sources of energy and limits to carbon dioxide emissions. Said he hasn't met any climate change deniers under the age of forty.
5. SS: Said that we have to expand social security. Said that the right term is "social security," not "senior security." "Common good," "national interest," and "working together" are recurrent themes. Said that people's loss of savings and pensions requires that we expand social security. Stresses again and again that we must work together.
That is the best I can do from memory. I am sure others can add to this and are likely to have better recollections of his speeches. I need to hear last night's speech and answers to questions over and over again. He is not afraid to take a stand.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I think for me that is the difference between a Democrat I can support and one I can't. Do they go along with cuts Republicans make, do they simply want to preserve what we have left, or do they want to restore what has been taken? I can only in good conscience vote for a Democrat that will not cave to cuts, fights to protect social services, and fights for EXPANSION of social services. To me that is the difference between a progressive Democrat and a Democrat that just goes along to get along.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)The more I hear the more I like. I think there will be some great debates in the primaries. I hope Bernie runs too. The more candidates the better. We need some serious discussions on the issues that are important to the majority of this country, and it sounds like O'Malley will be addressing those issues along with Bernie, if he runs. Webb sounds like he is going to run also, and Chafee. No matte what some on DU may say, there will be a primary, and there will be debates on the issues. I look forward to those debates.
still_one
(92,190 posts)beaucoup posts bashing other Democratic candidates without an alternative
Omaha Steve
(99,638 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)about how he did his job but... after his two terms, the state if MD did something they hadn't done in many years; they elected a Republican Governor who promised to lower the taxes that O'Malley raised in the state.
O'Malley beat the last Republican governor (there hadn't been one in 48 years prior to that). So my point is, he can't count on winning his home state and that's sort of crucial.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)Brown lost because he was not O'Malley and because democrats fell asleep, as they did in Massachusetts. In a presidential election, both Maryland and Massachusetts can be counted on as solidly blue.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)From the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/16/omalley-to-speak-out-against-trade-deal-as-he-outlines-economic-priorities-at-harvard/
From the Boston Globe: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/malley-stakes-out-liberal-position/yTl1wpulYSU3NaTSGwdW7L/story.html
From the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/16/martin-omalley-hillary-clinton-gay-marriage-immigration-reform
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That would be so kick ass if we had two or three progressives in the running. I would love that.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)I really like Bernie. And keep in mind that Elizabeth Warren -- though not officially in the race -- shows no signs of letting up in her speaking out against the billionaire class. Her voice will amplify the voices of other progressives. I sincerely hope that all democratic voices will be heard during this primary season.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)For those who are interested, the video of O'Malley's talk at Harvard is now available.
http://forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/building-economy-works-everyone
"Building an Economy That Works for Everyone" at Harvard University IOP, John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum
elleng
(130,908 posts)Quite a discussion going on here!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)benefits, totally opposed to the CPI/Cuts and privatization.
In fact he is not only excellent on the policies he has spoken about, he is clear on his support for and opposition to policies that are extremely important to voters.
So far, he is sounding very much a like a good Democratic contender for the WH.
However there are a few more things I would like know about him, so reserving judgement until I find out.
frylock
(34,825 posts)his populism doesn't seem in the least bit manufactured.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I've had an eye on him for awhile and I'd like to see more of him.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Bernie remains my preferred choice of the likely Dem candidates, but the more I hear from O'Malley the more convinced I am that I could strongly support his candidacy.