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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 10:49 PM Apr 2015

There are good people and racists everywhere. But Massachusetts today is more likely

to elect politicians like Elizabeth Warren and Deval Patrick.

Texas elevates people like George W. and Ted Cruz.

It isn't just the South -- it's all the Red states. But the division between Blue and Red is real.

If it wasn't for the "solid South" the Republican party would be doomed.

https://prospect.org/article/red-state-blue-state-polarization-and-american-situation

Under other circumstances, however, polarization can be a stimulus to change. When politics become polarized between two alternatives, voters have clearer choices. They have more reason to pay attention and turn out. Each side may then mobilize, take power, and get its way in different jurisdictions or private institutions. That is what is happening now in state and local governments and civil society. Two ideologically based societies have developed within the United States, and the differences between them are growing. The question will ultimately be which America, red or blue, dominates the nation’s future.


The United States began as two societies—one based on racial slavery, the other on free labor—and despite all that has since happened in the nation’s history, today’s political divisions are descended from that original split. The current political map, to be sure, does not divide exactly along North-South lines. Some rural areas in the North are socially and politically more like the South, while some urban areas in the South are more like the North. The West has its own divisions. But the regional and racial continuities are unmistakable. The South continues to be the principal base of support for a party favoring harsher policies toward labor and the poor and drawing its support almost entirely from whites. The South’s culture and religion pervade the version of conservatism that dominates the Republican Party.

For most of the 20th century, it wasn’t at all clear that these old divisions would continue to define the lines of conflict in the United States. Until the 1980s, the prevailing currents of change favored the creation of a single national society. The Progressive era, the New Deal, and the civil rights movement and Great Society of the 1960s all brought nationalizing reforms; the Supreme Court extended constitutional requirements for equal rights and civil liberties to the states. As national markets, national corporations, and national media grew, they contributed to a narrowing of regional economic and cultural differences. Especially during World War II and the Cold War, it was easy to believe—as many leading historians and social scientists did—that all Americans shared a consensus on values. While Europeans fought ideological battles, Americans supposedly worked out their differences within a common framework.

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There are good people and racists everywhere. But Massachusetts today is more likely (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2015 OP
Massachusetts also elected Romney. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #1
He was elected 13 years ago when there was still such a thing as a "moderate Republican." And he pnwmom Apr 2015 #2
And Baker was elected last year... druidity33 Apr 2015 #6
Yup... Agschmid Apr 2015 #11
Baker... Agschmid Apr 2015 #12
We elected Greats like Mario Cuomo and FDR in NY but also elected Andrew Cuomo and Schumer. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3
You equate Cuomo and Schumer to Cruz and Jindal and Perry and Scott and Cotton and...??? BillZBubb Apr 2015 #4
After this week I am done with schumer and never liked cuomo. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #5
and I was under the impression that MA had a Republican Governor - a bit of a tradition there DrDan Apr 2015 #7
Unfortunately I can confirm that you are correct. Agschmid Apr 2015 #13
2002, but he still ran as Dem-lite. He supported the health plan he had to disavow in 2008. nt pnwmom Apr 2015 #14
2002? Not sure what that means. Wasn't Baker elected in 2014? DrDan Apr 2015 #15
You're right, I was thinking about Romney. But Baker isn't like the Rethug governors pnwmom Apr 2015 #16
5 of the last 6 MA governors were repubs - hard to put the GOP's existence entirely on the South DrDan Apr 2015 #19
I'm not saying all its support comes from the South. But the South forms the essential base. pnwmom Apr 2015 #20
If you mercuryblues Apr 2015 #8
There has never been a court that ruled Fox News can lie. This is a false framing of a FL contract Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #10
It's not about the persons elected, it's about the policies instituted in each place. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #9
Then again, Boston is a notoriouly racist city... woolldog Apr 2015 #17
True and warm weather attracts treestar Apr 2015 #18

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
2. He was elected 13 years ago when there was still such a thing as a "moderate Republican." And he
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 10:54 PM
Apr 2015

was elected by supporting a health insurance plan, Romneycare, that he had to disavow when he ran for President as a Republican.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
7. and I was under the impression that MA had a Republican Governor - a bit of a tradition there
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:37 AM
Apr 2015

in recent years

Guess I was wrong . . .

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
14. 2002, but he still ran as Dem-lite. He supported the health plan he had to disavow in 2008. nt
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 12:18 PM
Apr 2015

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
16. You're right, I was thinking about Romney. But Baker isn't like the Rethug governors
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:21 PM
Apr 2015

in the South. If he was he wouldn't have been elected.

http://www.mass.gov/governor/

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
19. 5 of the last 6 MA governors were repubs - hard to put the GOP's existence entirely on the South
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

seems as though they are having success in the blue-states as well

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
20. I'm not saying all its support comes from the South. But the South forms the essential base.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:18 PM
Apr 2015

Without that, their majority in Congress would evaporate.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
8. If you
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:48 AM
Apr 2015

look at how each state is ranked in education, you will get a big reason why. I believe this is why the republicons want to "fix" education. Combine that with deregulating the media, via the fairness doctrine. Fox news station's court ruling allowing it to lie and call themselves "entertainment" when it is convenient to do so.

Before education reforms were pushed this country was a lot more liberal on the whole. People like Cruz, Santorum and Scott would not have had a chance to be elected to city council in the past, now they are or have run for the presidency.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. There has never been a court that ruled Fox News can lie. This is a false framing of a FL contract
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 08:42 AM
Apr 2015

case. I think it is important to understand the actual case, because it serves Fox News for people to believe they have a legal 'right to lie' which is not true and also absurd.
The station involved in that suit was a local Fox broadcast affiliate, not FoxNews or any part of Fox News. The affiliate independently owned, so the case was between two 'anchors' and the owners of a station in Florida.
The events and stories that prompted the law suit all happened prior to the existence of Fox News. Fox News did not exist as a cable network at the time that local affiliate terminated those two anchors and did not exist for another year after their termination.

Fox News is a niche outlet, watched by a tiny segment of viewers. Running about announcing that the courts ruled that Fox News has a right to lie serves Fox News and it is simply not the truth.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/foxlies.asp

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. True and warm weather attracts
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:24 PM
Apr 2015

white conservative retirees too, from other parts of the country.

But that can also attract immigrants and other migrants.

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