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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:33 PM Apr 2015

We've Been Stingrayed: FBI's secret deal with police hides phone dragnet from courts

Another day, yet another 'discovery' that, yes, it really is worse than we thought.

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Stingray spying: FBI's secret deal with police hides phone dragnet from courts
By Jessica Glenza and Nicky Woolf * Friday 10 April 2015 * The Guardian

The FBI is taking extraordinary and potentially unconstitutional measures to keep local and state police forces from exposing the use of so-called “Stingray” surveillance technology across the United States, according to documents obtained separately by the Guardian and the American Civil Liberties Union.

Multiple non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) revealed in Florida, New York and Maryland this week show federal authorities effectively binding local law enforcement from disclosing any information – even to judges – about the cellphone dragnet technology, its collection capabilities or its existence.

In an arrangement that shocked privacy advocates and local defense attorneys, the secret pact also mandates that police notify the FBI to push for the dismissal of cases if technical specifications of the devices are in danger of being revealed in court.

The agreement also contains a clause forcing law enforcement to notify the FBI if freedom of information requests are filed by members of the public or the media for such information, “in order to allow sufficient time for the FBI to seek to prevent disclosure through appropriate channels”.

The strikingly similar NDAs, taken together with documents connecting police to the technology’s manufacturer and federal approval guidelines obtained by the Guardian, suggest a state-by-state chain of secrecy surrounding widespread use of the sophisticated cellphone spying devices known best by the brand of one such device: the Stingray.

Stingray box

“The device has the ability to pull content, so all the sudden your text messages are at risk, your phone calls are at risk, and your data transmission, potentially,” said John Sawicki, a former police officer who consults attorneys on technological evidence, of the Stingray device made by Harris Corporation. Photograph: Harris Corporation.



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/10/stingray-spying-fbi-phone-dragnet-police

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We've Been Stingrayed: FBI's secret deal with police hides phone dragnet from courts (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 OP
Can't wait for the Surveillance State Authoritarian Swarm to show up and defend this. bvar22 Apr 2015 #1
Yes. And we all know what an "unreliable source" The Guardian is .. 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #2
So far this string is not on "Trending" 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #3
If you have the ability to watch "60 Mintues" from last Sunday truedelphi Apr 2015 #4
Great post! The only candidate I trust to do anything about this is Bernie Sanders. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #5
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and Yea, Bernie! n/t truedelphi Apr 2015 #12
Yes, they'd set up that thing in the parking lot at a Phish show, and wait for someone to call their Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #6
K&R...Post and Replies... KoKo Apr 2015 #7
I worked for over 35 years in the telecommunications industry Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #8
there's an obvious conclusion here grasswire Apr 2015 #9
Sounds like a plan 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #10
I hope it happens. nt grasswire Apr 2015 #11
Perfect opportunity for an enterprising soul to write an app for that... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #13
K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #14
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #15
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. Yes. And we all know what an "unreliable source" The Guardian is ..
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:30 PM
Apr 2015

Didn't the Guardian publish/break the Snowden & Greenwald revelations?

Will no doubt be Exhibit A.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
3. So far this string is not on "Trending"
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:33 PM
Apr 2015

So if it sinks like a stone, maybe you can repost with a more trend-worthy header

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
4. If you have the ability to watch "60 Mintues" from last Sunday
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 04:29 PM
Apr 2015

(Some media companies allow for folks to watch on "demand&quot then you can clearly see that the Big TV stations are fine with this.

Of course, the Talking Heads insistently argue: we need to have Homeland Security and the FBI utilize the local police to do the spying. Especially since this is being done as merely a cost saving measure. <sarcasm intended>

And "60 Minutes" reporter Leslie Stahl never once mentioned the US Constitution in terms of whether this "at home spying" is okay. Nor did she think about how very poorly trained, and lacking in oversight the local police departments are.

As a nation, we all just witnessed the Carolina, local police officer shooting of unarmed, non-threatening Walter Scott. That police officer is not at all different from many of the police here in my Northern Calif. county.

Is this who we want spying on us? Our local police? What if my making an unfavorable reference to the local police means that now I am one of the targets of the police spying? (A guy who is one of the lead participants in the Cop Block Movement in Idaho has been charged with a felony - basically for holding a sign and protesting the police!)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. Yes, they'd set up that thing in the parking lot at a Phish show, and wait for someone to call their
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

buddy "hey let's go smoke a bowl under the big pine tree"

Then the SWAT team would be ready to arrest the bowl smokers.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts)
8. I worked for over 35 years in the telecommunications industry
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

It used to be one needed court approval to tap ones phone. Of course those were the post Watergate days.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
9. there's an obvious conclusion here
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:03 PM
Apr 2015

Anyone charged of a crime in one of those states must have counsel request via FOIA the source of the evidence.

Pronto.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
10. Sounds like a plan
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

Awesome observation.

No doubt they'd try to dummy-up some alternate "sources" to cover their arises.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
13. Perfect opportunity for an enterprising soul to write an app for that...
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:17 PM
Apr 2015

...you know...land of the free and all that...

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